News Coronavirus Thread

[Val Keating]

Que?

Probably referring to him hanging out at Epsteins island

 

[Snake_Baker]

Reverting back to my earlier comments about woo woo practitioners, here is the type of data that needs to be presented if they want to support their claims:



Viral load diagnostics:



Blood/liver diagnostics:




Visual diagnostics:



If folks want to make claims about the wonderful powers of aromatherapy, chakra meditation under the pink moon, or the ingestion of horse **** tea, then this is the type of data that needs to be submitted, or the claims should be completely disregarded.

 

[Horace]

Interesting CP antibody research just in. It looks a goer.

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Here is an article in the Age today, well worth a read. Its main focus is on warning against an early move away from lockdown and social distancing, but also covers the work they are looking at on the potential for convalescent plasma to be used in the fight to provide protection against covid-19.

Vaccine at least a year away, says CSL science chief

Biotechnology giant's chief scientific officer says social distancing is the best weapon Australia has to fight coronavirus.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Snake_Baker]

Here is an article in the Age today, well worth a read. Its main focus is on warning against an early move away from lockdown and social distancing, but also covers the work they are looking at on the potential for convalescent plasma to be used in the fight to provide protection against covid-19.

Vaccine at least a year away, says CSL science chief

Biotechnology giant's chief scientific officer says social distancing is the best weapon Australia has to fight coronavirus.

www.smh.com.au

Actually, it's not mate. Anything written by a tabloid journalist is a suspect source of information.

 

[shintemaster]

Hang on, I thought Singapore was one of the countries that had this disease as under control as any nation!

So, does anyone know where a "foreign worker" in Singapore is most likely from?

Singapore has set a daily Infections increase record today
It confirmed 287 new coronavirus infections on Thursday, taking the total in the city-state to 1,910, the health ministry said.

More than 200 of the new cases were linked to outbreaks in foreign worker dormitories. Singapore has quarantined thousands of workers in dormitories after they were linked to several cases of COVID-19.

Six people infected with the disease have died in Singapore and authorities are investigating the death of a seventh person who was also infected but had other complications.

Interesting though isn't it. Once again neoliberal world trade capitalism shows that exploitation eventually comes home to roost.

 

[Gasometer]

Actually, it's not mate. Anything written by a tabloid journalist is a suspect source of information.

It’s not an opinion piece and spends much of the time quoting the CSL Professor.

 

[Snake_Baker]

It’s not an opinion piece and spends much of the time quoting the CSL Professor.

It's shit.

 

[Horace]

Actually, it's not mate. Anything written by a tabloid journalist is a suspect source of information.

I have to disagree with that statement, Snake. The article specifically quotes CSL Limited's chief scientific officer, Professor Andrew Cuthbertson.

Whatever your opinion of journalists is, when they choose to quote specific comments made by someone, such as Professor Cuthbertson, they have to quote accurately, otherwise they put themselves in a position for potential litigation.

Professor Cuthbertson is their Chief Scientific Officer, he is surely then a man of science and with a very good knowledge in this area and he is not going to accept being stated to have said things such as the extract below if it is not true, and by sheer virtue of his position, I'm happy to accept what is written in this article.

"CSL has also started work on “hyperimmune” therapies for COVID-19 patients at risk of developing critical symptoms or for high-risk individuals such as healthcare workers, made with antibodies harvested from the blood of patients who had contracted and then recovered from COVID-19.
Professor Cuthbertson said those therapies could be produced in just a few months, but in smaller quantities than a vaccine given the reliance on collecting blood. He said CSL was talking to Red Cross Lifeblood and the Department of Health about starting to collect blood from convalescent patients.
CSL is also working with a global alliance of plasma therapy companies on producing hyperimmune therapies, as well as with American company SAB Therapeutics on harvesting antibodies to tackle COVID-19 from the blood of genetically modified cows."

In my opinion CSL is a terrific company, that does some top work in the very fields that you have consistently promoted and defended right throughout this thread.

I also believe that it is very important for us to be taking substantially more notice of people of his ilk and companies of the calibre of CSL, who are surely far more qualified to advise on the health implications of an early easing of restrictions, than are for example, economists who think only in monetary terms.

And may I say in my opinion the monetary implications will in the long term be far more dire if restrictions are eased too early, the virus gets cracking again, there are many more people die and vastly longer lockdown has to be implemented. Get it as "right" as you possibly can the first and hopefully only time you have to do it.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I have to disagree with that statement, Snake. The article specifically quotes CSL Limited's chief scientific officer, Professor Andrew Cuthbertson.

It doesn't "specifically" quote the headline, and the CSL is a politically compromised body these days.

I appreciate the effort you made to bring it to my attention mate, but I don't rate The Age or the CSL as any worthwhile source of information.

 

[Horace]

It's shit.

Are you saying that what Professor Cuthdertson is saying is "shit"?

 

[Snake_Baker]

Are you saying that what Professor Cuthdertson is saying is "shit"?

I am stating that Professor Cuthbertson is basically saying nothing.

 

[Horace]

It doesn't "specifically" quote the headline, and the CSL is a politically compromised body these days.

I appreciate the effort you made to bring it to my attention mate, but I don't rate The Age or the CSL as any worthwhile source of information.

Here is the headline

Vaccine at least a year away, says CSL science chief

Here is the quote

Biotechnology giant CSL Limited's chief scientific officer, Professor Andrew Cuthbertson, says social distancing is the best weapon Australia has to combat the coronavirus, with a vaccine 12 to 18 months away from being ready for the public.

Here is a bit about Professor Andrew Cuthbertson. If I am not mistaken, his background is very much aligned to the people who you do rate.

Andrew Cuthbertson | CSL Behring

Andrew Cuthbertson is CSL Behring's Chief Scientific Officer and R&D Director.

www.cslbehring.com

 

[Horace]

I am stating that Professor Cuthbertson is basically saying nothing.

No he is confirming that they too are investigating convalescent plasma as a potential solution. It is not essential to have the actual scientific material included in the article, as some sort of proof of the work that they are doing.

What people in the street want to know is that firstly, here is another avenue of treatment and secondly that organisations with the capacity to do this work, are actually doing it.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Okay Horrie.

 

[Flawed Genius]

 

[Gasometer]

Do you actually work a daily job in Science Snake_Baker ?

You seem overly qualified in this area to be posting to us dumb arses 23/7.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Yes!

Wait, higher is better, right?

 

[Val Keating]

5.7? Iirc it was originally thought to be just under 3?

 

[Heaps of fun]

Do you actually work a daily job in Science Snake_Baker ?

You seem overly qualified in this area to be posting to us dumb arses 23/7.

He works a daily job of posting on Big Footy.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Do you actually work a daily job in Science Snake_Baker ?

Yes.

You seem overly qualified in this area to be posting to us dumb arses 23/7.

No. I try to present things in a way that a layperson could understand them, and this thing effects all of us regardless of anyone's qualifications. If folks are capable of getting past the emotional response then I hope they can see that the underlying message in my comments is that I don't want any of you getting hurt. As far as knowledge is concerned, I am just fortunate to have access to more privileged information and people.

I just finished an online meeting with a highly experienced microbiologist and chemist, who both take the view that the current scenario will likely be in place until at least spring. Batten down the hatches for the winter.

 

[gokangas]

Do you actually work a daily job in Science Snake_Baker ?

You seem overly qualified in this area to be posting to us dumb arses 23/7.

Give me 10 - I will call Paul Crapper and find out who he is and get back to you.

 

[Snake_Baker]

He works a daily job of posting on Big Footy.

.........and you have made it your life's mission to let all & sundry know that you think you are way too cool for this place.

Yet here you are again.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Interesting.

The values I have previously seen were between 2 and 4.

We're doing an amazing job in this country if 5.7 is an accurate gauge.

 

[7577969923]

I note your comments however one of the problems that allied health professionals encounter far too often, is lumping the actions of the type of people you have quoted in your post, in with properly qualified practitioners and adding in the word "charlatans". During their studies, their lecturers regularly counselled them about the prejudices that they would face in their day to day working lives, once they graduated. When I told her today about what has been posted here, she sighed and said "of course they would they would call us charlatans".

(And by the way, many of their lecturers were not lecturers specifically allied to Chiropractic but rather lecturers sourced from all of the branches of medicine.)

Prior to her commencing her course, this was not new to us, because we had heard the same from previous Chiropractors we had been to. They said that, after a while trying to defend their profession, they just gave up and instead drew motivation for their work from the many patients they saw on a regular basis.

Presently there are around 5000 registered Chiropractors in Australia, who manage over 20 million patient visits a year. Surely not all of these patients have got it wrong.

Clearly covid-19 is a medical condition that needs to be treated by highly trained people in the fields of epidemiology and immunology and the like. Allied health professionals cannot do that sort of work, but where they can play a vital part is in their approach to helping to promote the "wellness" of the human body. In the case of Chiropractic a well aligned body will help better assist the immune system in fighting off any viral infection when it strikes.

Ms Horace also disputed the claim that there is no research to support the basis for Chiropractic and provided, some further links, posted below, along with a couple of other links that I think are useful in this context.

I think it is incumbent on all of us, to be respectful to and not make baseless and false claims about any profession that we do not have an intimate knowledge of.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/293...kHoHJwwwdvZj1nx49vMN6m8NowK1_11K7w1tJwXUSQK2g

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/310...ikwhmCnqsKS1FHnIDivSGV1yFXz2CV4jwam3Su0aN2qiQ

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/270...cLYanSC7_ceWSba94R4EZHYYuABz4NCile5k5ybZuXseo

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...1M0csktudzI5lsv0ta0fIYQFKe0WS8pghvnzGx5oMJDOc

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/281...gSRVCvtIe8aF4n09sE607Np3MPGhJsu8SU4VSIAfwHBjA

https://www.chiropracticboard.gov.au/About-the-Board/Statistics.aspx

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5217252/

Thanks for the links from Ms Horace. I will take a look.

The statement in bold is the sort that will catch the attention of any skeptic. That is exactly the type of claim, IMHO, that does need solid scientific evidence to support it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

+12 in Qld and +49 in nsw, both with wider testing parameters.