Cousins vs Judd

[Quinz]

At their peak, Judd is a better player. His form from 04 to mid 07 was simply incredible. He was the best player in the league in 06 by a long way, while his form in the first half of 07 was the best football he has played IMO, until his unfortunate groin injury. He could have won the Brownlow by 10 votes that year.

At his best he was the leading clearance and contested ball winner in the AFL and the best goal kicking midfielder as well, he did it all. He kicked freakish goals bursting through packs or from the boundary, and most importantly he stepped up his performance even more in finals. With us he was BOG or in our top three in pretty much every final he played, especially during the 05-06 campaigns.

His form with the Blues, while it hasn't reached the same level that he was at with us, has still seen him win 2 B&Fs and 2 AAs, hardly disappointing results.

Cousins is a superb footballer, one of the very best of this decade and an all time great at the club. His advantage over Judd is that he has played more football and his on field leadership was second to none. He was not as explosive as Judd or as clean winning contested ball, but his gut running and just desperation to influence games made him a great captain and a brilliant rover. 6 time AA, Brownlow Medallist, 4 time B&F, Rising Star winners don't come along that often.

At his best Cousins is a level above most, but a shade behind Judd. Even though Judd hasn't been playing for as long, if I had to pick one of them right now as an 18 year old, purely looking at on field performance, It'd have to be Judd.

 

[anti_]

^^^^^^^^ agree with all that quinz.

in terms of pure football ability, judd is the man. in his heyday at west coast he was an unstoppable machine.

his natural talent far surpasses that of cousins.

 

[EaglesFlyingHigh]

Cuz!

 

[Eastern Rangers]

No Cousins, no flag.
Dragged us through games when Judd was below his best, he was the player who could find something more is his tank than any other player on the field, he is the player that turned Braun, Jones, Banfield and Fletcher into hard running and hard working cattle that all played an import role for the team.

No Judd, no flag.

Judd's a level headed bloke who leads by example, did nothing wrong on or off the field and left to himself could produce the best football you could imagin, but in the end he was not intrested in being Captain for us.

No Kerr, no flag.

Explosive over a short distance, incredibly tough. Ran hard to make space and without Kerr i beleive Judd is no way near as damaging, it's the reason why Carlton where intrested at the end of 2008 in securing his services. His form in 2007 was better than Judd's even before Judd got injured. Needs to return to fitness and prove his name belongs with the two above, watching him play a couple of times this year against Collingwood in the Nab cup as well as against Port and the Bulldogs at Subiaco confirmed his status in my mind. He was on another level to everyone else on that field.

Still the best midfield unit of the decade.

 

[bluesforever]

Judd is a champion in pretty much every facet of the game, Cousins is a very good outside mid that runs all day.

Cousins will win the poll because of the Carlton hate. But everyone knows whos the better player and the better bloke.

 

[sonson]

Judd is a champion in pretty much every facet of the game, Cousins is a very good outside mid that runs all day.

Cousins will win the poll because of the Carlton hate. But everyone knows whos the better player and the better bloke.

Pretty much.

It's good to see a West Coast mod can look at the issue objectively.

Judd was on another planet at his very peak.

 

[daveymak]

very very well said quinz agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts on these guys.

and also some good points for the most part eastern hills - the only part i would disagree with would be

His form in 2007 was better than Judd's even before Judd got injured.

i remember judd being that far above the rest for the start of that year that it was ridiculous. im pretty sure he polled brownlow votes in the first 7 or 8 games straight and was in unbelievable form until he started being hampered by his injury that year

kerr was very good in 07 but judd was on a level above all else for the first 8 or so rounds

 

[one_twelve112]

This;

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=541451

 

[azreal]

um nah.

Yes you did.

 

[daveymak]

if you are a west coast supporter dont be so basic to chose one over the other

But you chose Judd...

i made an honest assessment of each of their good and bad points. yeah i personally think judd is the better footballer in terms of pure natural talent, but cousins was also outstanding, and always worked incredibly hard and gave 110% - as i said both are champions of the club and rightly so. what i was getting at is that some west coast supporters seem to want to blatantly chose one over the other completely (like it is black and white - love one hate the other). i just think that this view held by some fans is incredibly narrow minded as i said and that we should hold both in high regard for all they gave us on the field at the very least. as opposed to this >

Cousins is a leader of men...Judd is woefully inadequate

Without the leadership from Cousins, Judd would have been just another ball or fletcher

 

[anti_]

on a side note:

cousins at west coast >>>>> judd at carlton

judd's couple of years at carlton is the only thing that makes this poll possible, because at west coast judd was superior to cousins.

 

[daveymak]

yeah agree that is true so far. judd did place second in the brownlow though this year so is still very much a quality player and is still not too old to have a bit of a resurgence to his best. but yeah he was ridculously good at breaking the lines and doing freakish things while with the eagles - was amazing to watch live at subi

 

[Military_man]

Cousins is a leader of men...Judd is woefully inadequate, not captain material, unless you want a captain that stands back and watches his club destroy itself.

hahaha you west coast supporters are a ungrateful lot. If it wasn't for Judd you guys wouldn't have won the premiership a couple years back. He was the difference in that grand final. As for your club falling apart that was done by your own players it had nothing to do with Judd. Just because he was captain of your pathetic club doesnt make him a babysitter to grown men that was involved in drugs and other sordid goings on. Judd didnt bring your club down. Your Club brought yourselves down. Show some respect for the man that gave you guys your only premiership this decade and prolly your last one for many years to come.

 

[anti_]

rowan jones was the difference in the grand final.

everybody knows that.

 

[daveymak]

probably not worth a reply but ah well

...of your pathetic club

Your Club brought yourselves down

Show some respect for the man that gave you guys your only premiership this decade and prolly your last one for many years to come.

rubbish - it takes an entire team all season long to win it all. how many the blues won this decade? and we will comfortably get to the big show again before you guys will. you already stank and you just lost one of your best players. nice one. good luck in 2010

oh and mabye change your sig. to "our time has passed"

 

[Black Flag]

Judd's @ Carllton

2x BF winner
2x AA
2008 AA captain
2nd in Brownlow 2009

Face it West Coast, you still can't get over being rejected by the great man. Build a brige and get over it ffs.

Judd is twice the player now than he was at West Coast. Different, but better. His contested possessions these days are the best in the league. That he sacrifices his outside game to do the hard work speaks volumes for the man.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Judd's @ Carllton

2x BF winner
2x AA
2008 AA captain
2nd in Brownlow 2009.

Why talk about off-field all the time?

We know now that the AA captaincy was a joke and most likely based on stories of denying Carrazzo potatoes. We also know from the 2006 season that Judd took the official mantle of captain yet Cousins was the leader.

I'd rather compare his on-field achievements to Cousins at this point.

Examples like this mean we can't go by off-field titles.

 

[Black Flag]

Why talk about off-field all the time?

I am talking about on field.

AA, BF and brownlow results come from on field heroics.

Stop failing.

 

[Hodgepodge]

I am talking about on field.

AA, BF and brownlow results come from on field heroics.

Stop failing.

No they don't. Those awards are handed out off the field. In a casino. You know that casino where Judd started drinking with Fev and later on Fev got drunk and gave him a wet willy? That one.

 

[AjsGuns]

Cousins Circa > Judd Circa
and no i dont hate carlton i only hate the scum that is collingwood

 

[Military_man]

Why talk about off-field all the time?

We know now that the AA captaincy was a joke and most likely based on stories of denying Carrazzo potatoes. We also know from the 2006 season that Judd took the official mantle of captain yet Cousins was the leader.

I'd rather compare his on-field achievements to Cousins at this point.

Examples like this mean we can't go by off-field titles.

no wonder you was highly rated in the flog of the year awards. With posts like this i reckon you already earned a nomination for next year.

 

[Mattman93]

Obviously Judd was a rung above Cousins at his peak at WC, but I'd probably be leaning towards Cousins in regards to who I'd want in my team. I think Judd was consistently brilliant, and simply a freak individually, whereas Cousins had the ability to make the whole team rise, and also to stand up at the crucial point in the match every time. I suppose the term would be leadership qualities. I would call Cousins a champion, and Judd a freakishly exceptionally talented footballer. This is of course ignoring all the off-field stuff.