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Cricket Thread: Ashes done, 4-1

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Vader said:
Richardson has bowled 4x No-Balls in less than 4 overs this innings, plus the one they missed with the Carse dismissal. Has he actually bowled ANY legal deliveries this innings?
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His no balls probably cost Perth the game in that ridiculously high scoring BBL game in Brisbane.

Not that T20 form is worth anything here. But if a player has no ball problems in white-ball cricket where the punishment in harsher, it will be a major problem in red ball cricket.
 
kirky said:
When was the last time the Ashes Test was over before the first boat of the Sydney-Hobart crosses the line?
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The aussie dead-rubber attitude rolls in again!

Very poor body language from us on this last day: it was all getting too hard.

This wasn't personnel or the frisky pitch, which was the same for both sides, simply attitude/tiredness.

Unfortunately, I think even our best side needs to be totally up mentally for the whole time, in order to succeed.
 
Vader said:
Probably more. Perth apparently cost them $4M. You'd have to think they just lost more than $6M, given that tomorrow was already a sellout, presumably with a guaranteed gate of 90,000+ (which will now be 90,000+ refunds).
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I'm closer to the mark than on your Richardson legal balls if you want to go down the pedantic route...
 
Vader said:
I wouldn't be so sure about that. The umpires have missed a LOT of no balls, which have been evident on the replays.
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Richardson bowled far more legal balls than no balls!

Now you are just being silly...
 

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Interloperer said:
His no balls probably cost Perth the game in that ridiculously high scoring BBL game in Brisbane.

Not that T20 form is worth anything here. But if a player has no ball problems in white-ball cricket where the punishment in harsher, it will be a major problem in red ball cricket.
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His obvious problem is that he doesn't bowl at the stumps.
 
BRL121 said:
The aussie dead-rubber attitude rolls in again!

Very poor body language from us on this last day: it was all getting too hard.

This wasn't personnel or the frisky pitch, which was the same for both sides, simply attitude/tiredness.

Unfortunately, I think even our best side needs to be totally up mentally for the whole time, in order to succeed.
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More reason to make changes for the 5th for a fresh injection of motivation.
 
Our bowling is starting to look thin now.

Neser isn't really an option when the elements don't go his way, Richardson needs to go back down a level, Doggett didn't seem up to it.

We need a couple of these young tyros like Beardman to start getting ready
 
Even assuming equal form. One of Richardson or Green was completely unnecessary for this test.

Extra batting depth would have been way more useful with the pitch as it is. And if the game had lasted long enough for the extra bowler to be necessary, then it wouldn't have been a 4.5 quick bowler pitch.
 
Have to play a spinner, Murphy the obvious one. They wont drop Green but id like Renshaw to get a look.

Webster for Richardson as well.

Uzzie gets a farewell game and then off you go
 
Vader said:
Labuschagne's form in this Ashes series hasn't been as bad as you paint it. He's scored 2x 50s - only Carey has passed 50 more times, from players on both sides. With 166 runs, he's Australia's 3rd highest scoring batsman of the series, behind Head & Carey - though I would note that both Smith & Khawaja have higher averages for the series, but haven't played all tests.

Here are the results of the Australian top-7 batsmen (plus Starc) for this Ashes series:
Head: 391 @ 55.85
Carey: 287 @ 57.40
Labuschagne: 166 @ 27.66
Khawaja: 153 @ 38.25
Starc: 151 @ 37.75
Weatherald : 141 @ 23.50
Smith: 112 @ 37.33
Green: 93 @ 18.60

Even Neser is averaging 25.50, albeit from only 2 innings so far.

Source: https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/series/batting-most-runs-career/the-ashes-2025-26-16756

Anyone talking about Labuschagne is merely deflecting away from Green, who has been awful all series. He's seemingly gone out of his way to find new, creative, and ever more stupid ways of getting himself out. Most of his wickets have NOT been the result of good bowling, indeed he & Duckett stand out as almost the only batsmen yesterday who were not basically got themselves out. Green's bowling, while handy, has not been good enough to counter-balance the sheer ineptitude of his batting performances.
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Not very good stats to suggest he's been okay. Terrible average. He's reverted back to his poor form very quickly. Should be a clear drop along with green
 

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Another disaster test for the CA
Perth and now Melbourne are costing CA plenty and Australian cricket revolves around good test matches in the summer.

I don't understand Matt Page making a good wicket last year and had cut the grass at 7mm and this year leaves it at 10mm, what was he thinking ?
For the last 2-3 years, the pitches have been too green all around Australia and then you get very short tests

I think it might be time for a whole refresh.
And I would start with George Bailey.

His selections for this series with the batsman has been terrible.
Unfortunately Weatherald doesn't look up to it.
Marnus has been back to his out of form past.
And I don't think Usman should be playing.

And I don't like Head opening the batting

Luckily the Poms were stupid enough to play Bazball and our bowlers , especially Starc, saved our bacon
 
Mostyn said:
I was disappointed with Richardson - not worried about no balls, but he was about 8km below his pre-injury speed.

I think it was good that he got a taste but he needs runs in his legs.
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Which was why I said before the Test, I would have built him up for the 5th test.
 
I assume the curator left more grass on the wicket to cope with the hot weather on Days 3, 4 and 5

Means it should hold together nicely even as the pitch dries out

Unfortunately that's not much use to anyone now
 
I sometimes wonder if its a reaction to the Indian doctored pitches and the need to be seen to be doing the right thing

Or it could just be poor pitch prep
 
It wasn't an easy pitch, but I didn't think it was that unplayable. Many of our dismissals (and England in the first innings) were the result of either very poor technique or batting shots. Green, Khawaja, Carey x2 and Weatherald's were especially bad.

It seems that a lot of modern batsmen look out of their depth when they're up against a pitch with a blade of grass whereas I'm confident the likes of prime Waugh, Hayden, Langer and Vaughan would've made decent scores on this pitch.
 

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Drugs Are Bad Mackay? said:
I assume the curator left more grass on the wicket to cope with the hot weather on Days 3, 4 and 5

Means it should hold together nicely even as the pitch dries out

Unfortunately that's not much use to anyone now
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Well he probably thought batters would show some back bone and grit.
 
TubbsFarquhar said:
It wasn't an easy pitch, but I didn't think it was that unplayable. Many of our dismissals (and England in the first innings) were the result of either very poor technique or batting shots. Green, Khawaja, Carey x2 and Weatherald's were especially bad.

It seems that a lot of modern batsmen look out of their depth when they're up against a pitch with a blade of grass whereas I'm confident the likes of prime Waugh, Hayden, Langer and Vaughan would've made decent scores on this pitch.
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this 100%

The question I do have and maybe one that needs some deep diving into is 'whether players are being instructed to score at the pace we are seeing over and above fighting for their wicket?'

It is noticeable. Steve Smith is probably the last player I can remember to genuinely sit there and just frustrate bowlers by just batting time over runs. Stokes tried to do it a little this series. Back in the 90s and 00s batting time was a sought after requirement. Id just be curious to find out if players are told to score at a rate or dont come next monday type thing.
 
adelaidecrows said:
this 100%

The question I do have and maybe one that needs some deep diving into is 'whether players are being instructed to score at the pace we are seeing over and above fighting for their wicket?'

It is noticeable. Steve Smith is probably the last player I can remember to genuinely sit there and just frustrate bowlers by just batting time over runs. Stokes tried to do it a little this series. Back in the 90s and 00s batting time was a sought after requirement. Id just be curious to find out if players are told to score at a rate or dont come next monday type thing.
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Im not sure its about instruction but mostly impatience or a sense they need to '' do something ''

I do think we are seeing the refinement of the ODI/TT games corrupting Test Cricket to the extent the batters feel they need to move the game along

I also think the lack of Shield grounding along with year round TT means these habits become ingrained and there is little to no opportunity to learn how to build an innings

I do see similarities in poker

Pub poker is 12 minute levels and short stacks so there is this feeling you need to find chips somewhere and quickly. As you move up you encounter 20 minute levels and bigger start stacks so the pressure should be off to build quickly - but I see the same vroom vroom play by some ( and yes I have been guilty of it )

As it goes up at the highest levels you see 2 hour levels and the need to play every few hands is released and you can ( hopefully) sit back and wait for the juicy pots
 
GreyCrow said:
Im not sure its about instruction but mostly impatience or a sense they need to '' do something ''

I do think we are seeing the refinement of the ODI/TT games corrupting Test Cricket to the extent the batters feel they need to move the game along

I also think the lack of Shield grounding along with year round TT means these habits become ingrained and there is little to no opportunity to learn how to build an innings

I do see similarities in poker

Pub poker is 12 minute levels and short stacks so there is this feeling you need to find chips somewhere and quickly. As you move up you encounter 20 minute levels and bigger start stacks so the pressure should be off to build quickly - but I see the same vroom vroom play by some ( and yes I have been guilty of it )

As it goes up at the highest levels you see 2 hour levels and the need to play every few hands is released and you can ( hopefully) sit back and wait for the juicy pots
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no matter the instruction its not play t20 bastardised cricket against a brand new red ball darting around. I understand that. But you do get the sense the players are told to keep the score card ticking over. However, opening batters at test match level have all the time in the world to suss the pitch out. Who cares if there is only 10 runs scored off the first 10 or 15 overs. You bat to the conditions and preserve wickets. Runs will come once the ball loses its shine and your eye is in. But basically the whole idea is you make the ball come to you. And I just dont see that anymore. A test match should be just that but you feel some players and teams in general want to treat it like a race.
 

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