Crows plan Walker talks!

[Crow-mo]

Lifestyle always plays a part in any career decision. As does salary, and comfort, and a range of things.

You don't know that they didn't offer GC a discount because you don't know what it would have cost another club to lure them away from their current team.

oh come on, don't be daft. many of these salaries are known, and the players and clubs themselves said they were offers they couldn't turn down.

 

[Crow-mo]

I still love the Chris Grant (i think it was him) story - where a letter from a 6 year old boy offering his pocket money to stay with the Bulldogs kept him at Footscray....

you think that was real? awwww...

 

[amer]

Poor, passionless crow-mo. Doesn't get life.

 

[Mego Red]

nonsense.

and on that scale, if Parramatta is herpes Canberra is ebola.

Having spent time in both, Canberra is a blowjob and a backrub, while Parramatta is a kick in the balls.

Parramatta is what Canberra would be like if public servants were paid $22,000 a year.

 

[Mego Red]

oh come on, don't be daft. many of these salaries are known, and the players and clubs themselves said they were offers they couldn't turn down.

I'm not saying the salaries offered weren't high. I'm saying that all we know is they accepted the offer from GC, and we don't know if they would have if it was offered by the Western Bulldogs or North Melbourne.

 

[Mego Red]

you think that was real? awwww...

Heh - that story about Chris Grant almost reads like an Onion article.

 

[AFC979810]

you think that was real? awwww...

I did overstate it a bit...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ldog-chris-grant/story-e6frf9jf-1225888681972

However, I wish the Herald Sun would reprint the article with new information from Professional Athlete Manager Extraordinaire Crow-Mo that all players care about is the $$$$.

 

[Coopers]

did a project for integral energy up in blacktown in 2000. think Elizabeth with a greater population. esp a greater population of 13yo single mums pushing prams and not wearing shoes.

Whoa, imagine if gilbert goes there.

 

[Elite Crow]

Phil Harper was on 5AA today and was asked about Walker. Walker has put off talks until later in the year. Wants to have a break out year and warrant a larger contract. Hopefully that means with us. So this will drag out for the year, hope it ends up like Tippett and not Bock.

 

[aneale]

it was a disturbing comment. The 'put if off til later in the year' line was trotted out by every one of the 8 that defected.

lets hope he kicks 12 in the first game and everyone at AFC agrees he's worth paying over for

 

[Mismatched]

it was a disturbing comment. The 'put if off til later in the year' line was trotted out by every one of the 8 that defected.

lets hope he kicks 12 in the first game and everyone at AFC agrees he's worth paying over for

Just like it was trotted out by players such as Pavlich, Griffen, Cloke and many others who stayed, so please don't get your knickers in a knot over such things.

Its just good business for him to put off talks, his current value is mediocre however there's a good chance that he will have a break out year, either way the chances are that his value will rise and he quite rightly doesn't want to lock himself into a contract too early.

GWS, as was GC this year, is a massive bargaining chip for players such as Walker and thats before you through in the likes of Sheedy, Rucci and likely Williams stirring the pot.

 

[Elite Crow]

That's what Im struggling with, if his hope is he has a boomer year and secures a better contract then it's up to us to force the issue now if we really want him. We have seen enough of him already to assess what he is worth to us. If we rate him highly then pay him now, don't wait for the big year and then pay him the same contract anyway but with a years worth of grief and risk along the way.

Harper also worried me with his comment that if he was Walker he would also wait. Whose side is he on, I hope that's not an indication of his negotiation skills.

 

[tinman]

That's what Im struggling with, if his hope is he has a boomer year and secures a better contract then it's up to us to force the issue now if we really want him. We have seen enough of him already to assess what he is worth to us. If we rate him highly then pay him now, don't wait for the big year and then pay him the same contract anyway but with a years worth of grief and risk along the way.

Harper also worried me with his comment that if he was Walker he would also wait. Whose side is he on, I hope that's not an indication of his negotiation skills.

You can't force the issue if someone doesn't want to....I agree with Harper. He would be a mug to negotiate now, and his agent would be telling him that. When is the next team coming into the comp? Conditions are unlikely to be this favourable again for a long time for him to negotiate a big increase, especially with an improved performance. Good to hear he's backing himself for a big year.

I wouldn't get too panicky about it. Hopefully he'll have a great year and will command a bigger contract offer from the Crows, he'll stay, and we'll all be happy.

 

[macca23]

That's what Im struggling with, if his hope is he has a boomer year and secures a better contract then it's up to us to force the issue now if we really want him. We have seen enough of him already to assess what he is worth to us. If we rate him highly then pay him now, don't wait for the big year and then pay him the same contract anyway but with a years worth of grief and risk along the way.

Harper also worried me with his comment that if he was Walker he would also wait. Whose side is he on, I hope that's not an indication of his negotiation skills.

What do you want Harper to do?? Break down in tears or walk around wringing his hands moaning??

Walker holds all the aces, thanks to the presence of GWS, not Harper, who in my opinion was shrewd saying that he would wait too if he was Walker rather than be dragged into some negative comment or criticism, which might get Walker somewhat off-side.

The truth is that if he has a reasonable but not break-out year Walker's not risking much downside at year end, because he'd probably still get what they are offering now.

Conversely, if he has a boomer of a year he could add a minimum of a $100k per year more to his contract.

If the Crows did what you are saying they should do and gave him the money up front that would satisfy him and then he had a dog of a year you would be one of the first to bag the club.

 

[Danoz]

What do you want Harper to do?? Break down in tears or walk around wringing his hands moaning??

Walker holds all the aces, thanks to the presence of GWS, not Harper, who in my opinion was shrewd saying that he would wait too if he was Walker rather than be dragged into some negative comment or criticism, which might get Walker somewhat off-side.

The truth is that if he has a reasonable but not break-out year Walker's not risking much downside at year end, because he'd probably still get what they are offering now.

Conversely, if he has a boomer of a year he could add a minimum of a $100k per year more to his contract.

If the Crows did what you are saying they should do and gave him the money up front that would satisfy him and then he had a dog of a year you would be one of the first to bag the club.

Good Call

 

[Go the Guts]

Yep, great post.

 

[Elite Crow]

What do you want Harper to do?? Break down in tears or walk around wringing his hands moaning??

Walker holds all the aces, thanks to the presence of GWS, not Harper, who in my opinion was shrewd saying that he would wait too if he was Walker rather than be dragged into some negative comment or criticism, which might get Walker somewhat off-side.

The truth is that if he has a reasonable but not break-out year Walker's not risking much downside at year end, because he'd probably still get what they are offering now.

Conversely, if he has a boomer of a year he could add a minimum of a $100k per year more to his contract.

If the Crows did what you are saying they should do and gave him the money up front that would satisfy him and then he had a dog of a year you would be one of the first to bag the club.

No offence but that last paragraph is bullshit. If the club had the balls to go hard early on someone I consider to be a huge talent and it didnt work out then I would respect the club for having a crack. Sitting back on its hands and knowing that if Walker has a good year you are going to pay him more to me is the safer option, an option that risks losing him. The club would already have an opinion of Walker as a footballer, Harper said tonight he was starting 22.

We paid Tippett big bucks at the end of 09 to stay, and Im glad we did. But in 09 he averaged 2.3 goals a game as a 22 year old. Walker in 10 averaged 1.9 as a 20 year old. We paid Tippett alot because of the potential he showed, well Walker at 2 years younger has shown similar potential and even more ouput considering Tippett had done nothing at the age of 20.

As for bagging the club, if he walks out at the end of the year because we played it safe at the beginning, how long do you reckon the line would be?

 

[Swifty18]

What do you want Harper to do?? Break down in tears or walk around wringing his hands moaning??

Walker holds all the aces, thanks to the presence of GWS, not Harper, who in my opinion was shrewd saying that he would wait too if he was Walker rather than be dragged into some negative comment or criticism, which might get Walker somewhat off-side.

The truth is that if he has a reasonable but not break-out year Walker's not risking much downside at year end, because he'd probably still get what they are offering now.

Conversely, if he has a boomer of a year he could add a minimum of a $100k per year more to his contract.

If the Crows did what you are saying they should do and gave him the money up front that would satisfy him and then he had a dog of a year you would be one of the first to bag the club.

Good post.

I'd rather Harper say he'd do the same thing. We saw how it ended for Geelong when their (ex) coach got Ablett off side by demanding he tell them his decision.

Tippett put off talks until the end of 2009 as well, & that ended favourably & for the exact same reason - wait to have a break out year to get more money. And I see this ending the same way - most of our players are now around Tex's age, they're all close (Aidan Riley tweeted tonight that he was having a BBQ with Tex, VB & Tippett), that is what will play into our hands; GWS have money, but we have Tex's mates.

Just relax, enjoy the season, ignore all the crap that idiot journalists like Rucci or Hutchy write and say; they both were certain Tippett was gone.

 

[cammo84]

Oh great, another season of this crap... get ready for an article in the 'tiser every week about it, get ready for the reporters asking him if he's staying at every opportunity they get (knowing full well that he'll give them nothing new), get ready for endless threads on here and various other boards saying he's gone and the deal is done (with "sources", of course). It will be excruciating, I hope I can do my best to just ignore the circus.

I would love for him to stay, but he's doing the right thing for himself by putting off talks. Even if he already has every intention to stay, he'd be a fool not to milk a bit more money out of the club. He will most likely be near retirement in 10 years time, he owes it to himself to set himself up as well as he can. He doesn't have to defect to the first club that offers him a fat paycheck, he can be loyal to Adelaide and also play his cards right to get the best deal for himself.

 

[cmndstab]

No offence but that last paragraph is bullshit. If the club had the balls to go hard early on someone I consider to be a huge talent and it didnt work out then I would respect the club for having a crack.

Really? The club is judged on results, and if they gamble only to lose, they are rightly criticised for it.

For the Crows to convince Walker to sign now, they would likely need to offer even more than they will need to at the end of the season if he has a breakout year. As m23 says, Walker holds all the cards here. He has no reason to sign anything now. He's going to have the largest amount of leverage any player has had in 150 years of football. About the worst thing that can happen is that his year is terrible and he ends up with the same money he's on now. Not much of a gamble on Walker's behalf.

Sitting back on its hands and knowing that if Walker has a good year you are going to pay him more to me is the safer option, an option that risks losing him. The club would already have an opinion of Walker as a footballer, Harper said tonight he was starting 22.

There are a lot of starting 22 players, and they are on quite varied salaries. Surely you can see that if Walker comes out and has a 50 goal season it will make a massive difference to the offer we will give him if he comes out and has a 25 goal season? At the moment, Walker can play it as though he's the hottest thing going around because he knows that if the Crows balk, he has GWS backing him up.

As for bagging the club, if he walks out at the end of the year because we played it safe at the beginning, how long do you reckon the line would be?

We're not "playing it safe" now. Quite the opposite - overspending early in the hope of avoiding a fight later on is playing it safe.

The club is handling this exactly as it should be handled so far. Yes, we heard the same noises when the GC17 people left, but we heard those same noises from most of the players that didn't leave as well - particularly those that stood to gain the most from the situation. Walker will hold out for more money - which is the smart thing to do - and if he has a great season he will deservedly command a big payrise. Then the game will start, not here in February. It's going to be a very long season for you if you are jumping at shadows this early.

 

[Crow-mo]

the one thing i do want to say, is that i do not agree that he jas mediocre contract value right now. he's currently got the one thing worth more than performance, he's got potential.

another year and maybe we know more about his ability, upside and limitations. right now he could still be anything, but one more year and we'll have a clearer picture of what is likely.

its not certain he'll be worth more then than now. potential is a very high currency commodity.

 

[Glenno23]

the one thing i do want to say, is that i do not agree that he jas mediocre contract value right now. he's currently got the one thing worth more than performance, he's got potential.

another year and maybe we know more about his ability, upside and limitations. right now he could still be anything, but one more year and we'll have a clearer picture of what is likely.

its not certain he'll be worth more then than now. potential is a very high currency commodity.

But you can have all the potential in the world and never perform....

You don't pay people on potential. If they want the big money, they must perform to earn it.

If Walker goes nuts this year, its good for him (he gets a pay rise) its good for us (if Walker fires, we'll have a good year) and its good for the fans (success of some kind)

 

[Crow-mo]

see that's where you're wrong. people get paid on potential all the time.

 

[AFC979810]

But you can have all the potential in the world and never perform....

You don't pay people on potential. If they want the big money, they must perform to earn it.

If Walker goes nuts this year, its good for him (he gets a pay rise) its good for us (if Walker fires, we'll have a good year) and its good for the fans (success of some kind)

Must agree with Crowmo on this one.... Potential is a huge factor in contracts...

Really makes me you wonder what Jacobs is on.... Can tell you right now his contract is not built around what he has shown....

 

[icrow32]

Good post.

I'd rather Harper say he'd do the same thing. We saw how it ended for Geelong when their (ex) coach got Ablett off side by demanding he tell them his decision.

Tippett put off talks until the end of 2009 as well, & that ended favourably & for the exact same reason - wait to have a break out year to get more money. And I see this ending the same way - most of our players are now around Tex's age, they're all close (Aidan Riley tweeted tonight that he was having a BBQ with Tex, VB & Tippett), that is what will play into our hands; GWS have money, but we have Tex's mates.

Just relax, enjoy the season, ignore all the crap that idiot journalists like Rucci or Hutchy write and say; they both were certain Tippett was gone.

Exactly, unless GWS offer Tex double what he can get at the Crows, he will stay. Look at the players that left for the GC, Bock and Ablett had their pay doubled, Brown and Fraser were almost outcasts at their previous clubs, Brown because he was almost traded the year before and Fraser missed out on a flag with Collingwood and was no longer a starting 22. All of the Brisbane players that went were pissed off at Voss's lack of loyalty.

None of this is an issue at the Crows. The only possible reason I could see Tex leaving is that Craig continues with his harsh irrational treatment of him, and in that case I would be on Tex's side if he decided to leave.