D4 Section Ammos pt 1 (2005-2007)

[plugger28]

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Ruckman must be "nominated" at centre bounces,around the ground as i read the rules,you can have a third up,but be carefull that no extra players stop another players run at the ball as when there is an extra up we look for this,and it is a free.

Nellup - what's the rule in the VAFA for deliberate out of bounds. Can a ruckman be free kicked for punching the ball out of bounds again on the full from a throw in?
Also I didn't see all the game on Saturday, but what i did you - you did a good job so keep ignoring spy2. He is a trouble maker me thinks.

 

[nellup]

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Nellup - what's the rule in the VAFA for deliberate out of bounds. Can a ruckman be free kicked for punching the ball out of bounds again on the full from a throw in?
Also I didn't see all the game on Saturday, but what i did you - you did a good job so keep ignoring spy2. He is a trouble maker me thinks.

Plugger
If a ball is hit out of bounds on the full from a boundary throw in or a throw up then a free will be awarded against the player who hit the ball,the ump would have to be clear on who hit the ball;

If both rucks made contact with the ball at the tap you cannot say who 's hit put the ball out,no free,also if another player touches the ball whilst it is in mid air then it didn't go out on the full [touched] no free.

For obvious reasons I will not make any comment on subjects concerning me personally ,I was impressed with cobras on sat.they had 2 good spurts in 2nd and 3rd,if they could have played like that longer the result would have been close.Heard many comments from experienced players to the newer ones keeping them focused and this augers well for seasons to come.The 2 spurts of play showed a side vastly improved in skills and kicking to a lead ,than early in the season.

 

[spy1]

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Geez Nelly, I can see a whole new career here for you. Start you own site and just call it :

"ASK AUNTY NELLY"

Educating the masses one rule at a time.

 

[bigwaz]

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How'd the tribunal work out for everyone?

 

[Coach Hollywood]

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GET ON THE ELEY PARK TRAIN THIS WEEK GENTS!!!

Good call by Benno! (must have known something the rest of us didnt?)Well done to Bigwaz tipping 6 on the weekend with most getting less than the away teams?? Leaderboard up later!

 

[OZZA]

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Think the only players at the tribunal were STh Mornington players......so who are Centrals playing this week Waz??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another one for 'Ask Nelly'. Watching Kangas v Melb the other day - a Melbourne player tried to rush the ball through the behinds and stuffed up the handball. In doing so he hit the behind post and it was ruled deliberate out of bounds. This started an argument between my old man and I - as he feels that because the player was trying tio rush a point and not deliberately trying to to get it out of bounds- it shouldn't be a free kick against him - due to it being a skill error.

I disagree with him - but would love an umpy's interpretation.
Thanks Mate!

 

[what an animal]

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TRIBUNAL AND INVESTIGATION RESULTS

Results of Tribunal Hearings – Tuesday July 24, 2007
Results of Tribunal Hearings – Tuesday July 24, 2007
From July 7
Shannon Smith, Box Hill North. Elbowing, 2 matches.
*Luke Hodgkins, South Mornington. Striking, 2 matches.
*Luke Hodgkins, South Mornington. Abusive language, 2 matches.
*Accepted Prescribed Penalty


Interesting nothing on Mirabella from Sth Morn again- must not have turned up again.

 

[Coach Hollywood]

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Tipping Board Round 13.

CH (59) - 55 + 4.
PortMan FC (59) - 55 + 4.
Ozza (55) - 52 + 3.
Animal (54) - 51 + 3.
Catscratches (53) - 49 + 4.
FatChicksNLT (51) - 47 + 4.
Ruck Machine (49) - 46 + 3.
SudsMcDuff (37) - 34 + 3.
Sixty5 (36) - 33 + 3.
BigWaz - 6, HitATarget - 3
Away Teams (30) - 26 + 4.

 

[what an animal]

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Pretty CH got 3 last round- not that flash.

Ok now for rd 14 annd some cracking games with top 4 playing each other.

UNI HIGH VS MT LILYDALE - Upset here with Lilydale to get up 7pts
ELTHAM VS ST MARYS- could be match of year. Saints by 1pt
BOX HILL NTH VS ELEY PARK- Box Hill by 45pts & to remain with Lilydale
SYNDAL VS NTH BWICK- Nth Bwick by 10pts
BULLEEN VS ALBERT PARK- Albert Park by 27pts
RICHMOND VS STH MORNINGTON- Richmond to continue the slide for Sth Morn

 

[OZZA]

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UNI HIGH VS MT LILYDALE - Uni High to sneak home at the zoo. 8 points.
ELTHAM VS ST MARYS- Would love to watch this one. Eltham by 4 goals.
BOX HILL NTH VS ELEY PARK- Box Hill by 26 points.
SYNDAL VS NTH BWICK- Nth Bwick in a close one. 11 points.
BULLEEN VS ALBERT PARK- Albert Park by 15 points.
RICHMOND VS STH MORNINGTON- Richmond at home- 3 goals.

 

[Flowerpower]

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Ruckman must be "nominated" at centre bounces,around the ground as i read the rules,you can have a third up,but be carefull that no extra players stop another players run at the ball as when there is an extra up we look for this,and it is a free.

Thanks Nellup - lets hope all D4 umpires are reading this forum then as I was told Saturday, from the umpires, to "read the rule book" !!!!!

 

[Suds_Mcduff]

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UNI HIGH VS MT LILYDALE - Uni High to sneak home at the zoo. 8 points.
ELTHAM VS ST MARYS- Would love to watch this one. Eltham by 4 goals.
BOX HILL NTH VS ELEY PARK- Box Hill by 26 points.
SYNDAL VS NTH BWICK- Nth Bwick in a close one. 11 points.
BULLEEN VS ALBERT PARK- Albert Park by 15 points.
RICHMOND VS STH MORNINGTON- Richmond at home- 3 goals.

UHS-VU by 20 points
Eltham by 18 points
Box Hill by 52 points
Syndal by 8 points
Albert Park by 40 points
Richmond by a goal

 

[bigwaz]

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Good call by Benno! (must have known something the rest of us didnt?)Well done to Bigwaz tipping 6 on the weekend with most getting less than the away teams?? Leaderboard up later!

Got 6 because I was probably the only punter to tip the snakes!

That doesn't seem to be the case this week.

Tips:

Lilydale
Eltham
Box Hill North
Syndal
Albert Park
and of course Richmond by 1 point!

Lets see how South Morn go wearing those darn awful VAFA alternate jumpers (green and purple wool). Enjoy fellas... I remember quite a few of your supporters giving us heaps about how attractive they were.

 

[spy1]

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TRIBUNAL AND INVESTIGATION RESULTS

Results of Tribunal Hearings – Tuesday July 24, 2007
Results of Tribunal Hearings – Tuesday July 24, 2007
From July 7
Shannon Smith, Box Hill North. Elbowing, 2 matches.
*Luke Hodgkins, South Mornington. Striking, 2 matches.
*Luke Hodgkins, South Mornington. Abusive language, 2 matches.
*Accepted Prescribed Penalty


Interesting nothing on Mirabella from Sth Morn again- must not have turned up again.

Just to set the record straight.
2 players from Sth Mornington did not turn up last night.
One was Mirabella who still faces a charge, I believe, arising out of the Cobras game 2 games back.
The second was the player who was alleged to have recieved an elbow from S. Smith of BH. He was a no show and was given 2 weeks for his lack of presentation.
S. Smith of BH was charged with elbowing. After the umpire viewed the incident on the DVD submitted by BH, he had a change of heart. Agree Smith was only trying to push his opponent away. His opponent was running hard at a wrestle taking place after the half time siren. Smith was tring to push him away, but in attempting this he connected with the Tigers player's head. The umpire and the tribunal agreed to downgrade the charge to high contact and Smith was out for 2. Had he been found guilty of an elbow he would have recieved at least 4.
The other rider here is that given what happened to BH captain a few seasons ago, loosing most of his voice box from a behind the play elbow, BH have a really hard policy on their own if they are to raise an elbow. An elbow from a BH player could see him dismissed from the club.
Interesting that BH had not had a player at the tribunal, reported anyway, for 3 seasons. Given some recent history of our new member club from the coast; maybe it is time for the VAFA to have a little chat about discipline.

 

[Benno82]

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Good call by Benno! (must have known something the rest of us didnt?)Well done to Bigwaz tipping 6 on the weekend with most getting less than the away teams?? Leaderboard up later!

haha! no dramas....

I had a good feeling about last saturday.

We played some good team footy... hopefully we can continue playing for each other through out the remainder of the year... and see what comes of it...

 

[what an animal]

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Just to set the record straight.
2 players from Sth Mornington did not turn up last night.
One was Mirabella who still faces a charge, I believe, arising out of the Cobras game 2 games back.
The second was the player who was alleged to have recieved an elbow from S. Smith of BH. He was a no show and was given 2 weeks for his lack of presentation.
S. Smith of BH was charged with elbowing. After the umpire viewed the incident on the DVD submitted by BH, he had a change of heart. Agree Smith was only trying to push his opponent away. His opponent was running hard at a wrestle taking place after the half time siren. Smith was tring to push him away, but in attempting this he connected with the Tigers player's head. The umpire and the tribunal agreed to downgrade the charge to high contact and Smith was out for 2. Had he been found guilty of an elbow he would have recieved at least 4.
The other rider here is that given what happened to BH captain a few seasons ago, loosing most of his voice box from a behind the play elbow, BH have a really hard policy on their own if they are to raise an elbow. An elbow from a BH player could see him dismissed from the club.
Interesting that BH had not had a player at the tribunal, reported anyway, for 3 seasons. Given some recent history of our new member club from the coast; maybe it is time for the VAFA to have a little chat about discipline.

Well said!

I remember that incident. the player from Hawthorn is a dog of a player!

 

[Flowerpower]

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Just to set the record straight.
2 players from Sth Mornington did not turn up last night.
One was Mirabella who still faces a charge, I believe, arising out of the Cobras game 2 games back.
The second was the player who was alleged to have recieved an elbow from S. Smith of BH. He was a no show and was given 2 weeks for his lack of presentation.
S. Smith of BH was charged with elbowing. After the umpire viewed the incident on the DVD submitted by BH, he had a change of heart. Agree Smith was only trying to push his opponent away. His opponent was running hard at a wrestle taking place after the half time siren. Smith was tring to push him away, but in attempting this he connected with the Tigers player's head. The umpire and the tribunal agreed to downgrade the charge to high contact and Smith was out for 2. Had he been found guilty of an elbow he would have recieved at least 4.
The other rider here is that given what happened to BH captain a few seasons ago, loosing most of his voice box from a behind the play elbow, BH have a really hard policy on their own if they are to raise an elbow. An elbow from a BH player could see him dismissed from the club.
Interesting that BH had not had a player at the tribunal, reported anyway, for 3 seasons. Given some recent history of our new member club from the coast; maybe it is time for the VAFA to have a little chat about discipline.

South need to settle into the VAFA - give it a little time Spy........

Sounds like common sense prevailed at the tribunal though!

 

[catscratches]

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Tipping Board Round 13.

CH (59) - 55 + 4.
PortMan FC (59) - 55 + 4.
Ozza (55) - 52 + 3.
Animal (54) - 51 + 3.
Catscratches (52) - 49 + 3.
FatChicksNLT (51) - 47 + 4.
Ruck Machine (49) - 46 + 3.
SudsMcDuff (37) - 34 + 3.
Sixty5 (36) - 33 + 3.
BigWaz - 6, HitATarget - 3
Away Teams (30) - 26 + 4.

Lucky you can kick goals.. can't count.. ;-) am pretty sure i got four last week (richmond, eley park, uhs and eltham).. although still not enough to catch the leaders me thinks..

this week all home teams except Bulleen... geez it'd be an interesting year if it was top 5..

 

[Coach Hollywood]

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Always open for a review Cat, bound to make mistakes sometimes!
As i do calculate them at work quickly when I shouldn't even be on the net, but we all know how that is?? I'll update it now for you..

 

[hitdatarget]

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What a humorous post by Spy 1. Setting the record straight?
Bottom line BH player got 2 weeks for high contact. (striking, elbowing whatever) If umps had a change of heart and DVD had conclusively supported no penalty (umps obviously reported player) then no suspension would have been given.
Pity those accidental elbows to the head. If all those murderous drink drivers could blame their elbows for their drinking? lol
BH hard policy on own is good progressive state of the art football organisation. Should find that a normailty at most clubs.
Did sound convincing Spy until giving it thought. A career in pr is not the go.
Pity player's elbow

 

[spy1]

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What a humorous post by Spy 1. Setting the record straight?
Bottom line BH player got 2 weeks for high contact. (striking, elbowing whatever) If umps had a change of heart and DVD had conclusively supported no penalty (umps obviously reported player) then no suspension would have been given.
Pity those accidental elbows to the head. If all those murderous drink drivers could blame their elbows for their drinking? lol
BH hard policy on own is good progressive state of the art football organisation. Should find that a normailty at most clubs.
Did sound convincing Spy until giving it thought. A career in pr is not the go.
Pity player's elbow

The reason I am across this case is I edited the video tape to DVD.
As someone who can't turn his neck to the left, because of accidental high contact, I would never suggest it be unpunished.
The big thing here is the footage demonstrated it was NOT an elbow. Both arms were out straight in a shoving motion. The ump and tribunal used common sense and gave him the deserved two weeks. This was all the club was after.
BH never asked for the player to be excused of all blame. They just didn't want the undeserved stigma of elbowing associated with one of their players.
Had the original report been for striking or high contact, the player would have been able to accept the offered penalty of 2 matches. This is what the club would have advised.
But by making the report for an elbow, the case becomes a 'Must be Heard'. BTW the player struck was not marked or effected and played the game out uneffected I am told.

I may be biased here, but every club should make it a priority to get as much of their game/s videod. BH instruct there regular cameraman to film any behind play incidents instead of following the play when there is a choice to be made. You never know when it might come in handy. Also there is always the chance that someone may take a hanger, kick the Sherrin into the goal umpies nuts or kick a team mate up the clacker instead of the ball; thereby giving them the chance to win a few bob on Almaost Footy Legends.

 

[Brad Goodman]

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Another sleight at BHN hitdatarget. They're generally pretty subtle but not so much this time. Lift your game!

 

[guru1]

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Big game over at turtle land this week. Will be interesting to see how the saints adapt to the wid eopen spaces and who can stop Hollywood fromdoing as he pleases in front of goal as he has don all year!

Another big game will be the uni v lily match with the mountain men seamingly getting better and better.

 

[Flowerpower]

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Plenty of thought Spy1 and Ruck Machine.
That valued fourth spot is CERTAIN to be fought out between South Mornington and Mt Lilydale.
Albert Park have the toughest draw by far and Box Hill have a sick percentage and even if they blitz, at best they will miss on percentage.

I'm CERTAIN that South will not make the 4.

 

[Coach Hollywood]

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I'm predicting BHN to sneak in???