Dale Morris vs Scott Thompson (Nth)

[THRILLHO]

I think it's hilarious that Teffy has this effect on the forum. It's just one guy's opinion and yet, like moths to the bright light, people can't ignore it.

Thompson is underrated on this forum. I don't think he's ever once played as a loose man in defence. We simply don't do it. If the opposition pushes a man back loose in defence North pushes their spare up to the stoppage (and it's almost always Leigh Adams.) In fact, this was one of the biggest knocks on Scott: his refusal to drop a man back at any stage of a game, even the Port game. Always has a man, is 193cm (or thereabouts) but, for mine, plays a bit shorter than that and still manages to lead the league (might've been second last year) in intercept marks. Did an absolute hatchet job on Travis Cloke, which gets ignored.

The THIRTEEN means nothing in the grand scheme of things either. We rotated a lot of defenders through Franklin on that day, and as such, I doubt Franklin kicked more than five on Thompson. Sometimes, once-in-a-generation players get off the leash, it's no shame. If we discounted players based on that, we'd have to discount David Neitz entirely as Carey once left him with a gaping, prolapsed arseh*le in the middle of the MCG.

It's Morris for now. But one is coming back from a severely broken leg and the other is moving into his best years with a (hopefully) improving midfield helping stem the flow.

 

[nicshata]

This isnt even debatable Morris was and will most likely always be a better player...

Also why cant Morris come back from a broken leg an still play at a high level....yet Ziebell comes back from 2 breaks and he is a future champion of the game winning multiple Brownlows on his way?

 

[eth-dog]

I like both players. Morris at his peak, but right now I'd take Thompson- I'm not sure if Dale can reach his peak again

 

[Joshen]

Morris... by a mille. Scott Thompson is good as a loose man in defense. When he has to take a forward he is liable to get a goal or 13 kicked on him.

Delusional. Have you even seen SDT play?

I don't think Morris will ever get back to the same level, he'll be a bit more under siege in the next couple of years if (if expected) Bulldogs go through a bit of a down period.

The job SDT did on Cloke was outstanding (suggest you watch that game if you want to get a good gauge of him at his stopping best), offensely his second latest game yielded 39 possessions - 16 higher than Morris' career high.

EDIT: A heap of posters hate him but Teffy's ability to get them all so irrationally mad is quite hilarious.

 

[liam_13]

The ignorance shown towards Scott Thompson is amazing. People on this forum usually have such goldfish memories, but this thread shows that when it suits them, people can remember irrelevant stuff from 3+ years ago.

Dale Morris was an All-Australian. Scott Thompson has been on the cusp of AA squad. So at their best, the better player was Dale Morris.

Morris was a very good defender for a number of years - no harm in not having your best as good as him. But far out people underrate Thompson, they claim he got 13 goals kicked on him by Buddy (which is wrong, oh and does that make David Neitz, Mick Martyn, duds because champions kicked a bag on them?) and when he enraged Barry Hall - the type of play he steers away from these days...he still niggles, but no more than any other defender so opinions like this

Completely classless on the field, resorts to filthy tactics to try and get the upper hand, in an attempt to stop his rampaging opponents.
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are wrong...please tell me the last game where he resorted to "filthy tactics", like the ones shown by Tony Liberatore, to get the upper hand. I reckon it may just be the Barry Hall incident game..

At their best Morris is comfortably better. Doubt many non North supporters will think otherwise.

I agree about Morris' best. I also doubt many North supporters would think otherwise. If you look at the majority of North opinions in this thread, they are basically saying they rate Thompson higher now because of the future (i.e. Thompson younger and Morris broken leg). That's fair, you may not agree with it but it's hardly over the top or delusional to believe a 26 year old is going to have a better future than a 30 year old who just missed an entire season. Not a whole lot of arguing about Morris' best being better.

See Elite Masters post, see Joshen's, Thrillho, my opinion...

There is a lot of shit talking and trolling in this thread, and no SirJimi, the majority is not from North supporters..

 

[liam_13]

This isnt even debatable Morris was and will most likely always be a better player...

Also why cant Morris come back from a broken leg an still play at a high level....yet Ziebell comes back from 2 breaks and he is a future champion of the game winning multiple Brownlows on his way?

Derp.

Well for starters, one is 30, the other was 20.

The next thing; you're assuming that the posters who said that Morris can't come back from a broken leg (not sure people said that either, just implying he won't be back to his AA form), are the same ones who think Ziebell will be a champion. As of right now, most North posters believe Ziebell needs a massive season in 2013 or he will most likely never reach that very high level (not sure on the wording of the 2nd bit, but he needs a big season in 2013)

And finally, I don't think many posters believe Ziebell will win multiple brownlows. You're just exaggerating because your hatred of North drives you to live on the polls board and every poll involving a North player you have to give your opinion (which is usually just a troll).

 

[THRILLHO]

This isnt even debatable Morris was and will most likely always be a better player...

Also why cant Morris come back from a broken leg an still play at a high level....yet Ziebell comes back from 2 breaks and he is a future champion of the game winning multiple Brownlows on his way?

Not even sure why I'm responding to a pure North troll (seriously, have you ever posted anything unrelated to North? - as it turns out, a quarter of your last 40 posts have been North related with only one Freo related post) but pretty much every North supporter has tempered their opinion of Ziebell.

His debut season was awesome. He was favourite for the RS before breaking leg and had a real burst of speed that has all but disappeared. Naturally, many North supporters were very excited. After the leg break, they were a bit bullish about his ability but still optimistic. The second leg break just set him back even further and now most North supporters are realistic and know that he needs a big, consistent season in 2013.

I've been on record in saying his career may very closely follow James Kelly's. Most highly rated youngster of the midfield group, breaks leg, becomes a late bloomer but eventually develops into a highly important, underrated inside cog of an even midfield.

Morris is 30, his break was far worse than Ziebell's, and the rehabilitation would be harder. I broke my leg last April. I'm only just back to 100% now and the ankle on my broken leg stiffens up much quicker than my other ankle. I reckon it's just something I'll have to deal with from now on.

 

[the big lebowski]

Lol, nicely played Liam_13.

 

[Kcrack]

lol. 1 voter for Scott Thompson is not a North supporter.
Sums it up pretty well.

Meh, North loses basically every poll on the polls board and wins every negative poll on the Bay. Thankfully our performance on the field shows alot more than the general public of bigfooty.

 

[Bigeasy]

Morris is a pure stopper without much skill while Thompson sets up plays.

So it depends what your team needs.

 

[liam_13]

your hero teffy blocked me and had a cry to the mods when I directed a post at him the other day. Might be the other way around.

Back on subject.

This is not a very fair poll. Thompson was always going to get a pasting. Thompson Vs Maxwell would be a good poll. Similar positions and roles, not sure if maxwell has had 13 kicked on him though.

Why bother commenting if you have no idea?

Unless I'm missing something (and considering the Pies also have had Tarrant, Reid, Brown and Keeffe as key backs so I don't think I am), Maxwell does not regularly play on the likes of Barry Hall, Lance Franklin, Adam Goodes, Travis Cloke type forwards. Scott Thompson does. He also provides rebound.
So how in anyway would that be a fair poll? They both might be defenders but would you do a poll on Luke Ball and Daniel Wells? No, because they are completely different types. No.

Out of interest doggies fans, did Morris play in the games where Petrie kicked 7 and Kennedy kicked 10? Not that he would be a good match up for either due to height, but I do find it hard to believe he has never had a bag kicked on him in a 150 game career, and those are just two games I can remember that the dogs had a bag kicked on them. Guessing Lake/WIlliams played on them?

 

[liam_13]

Also, not having a go at Maxwell. He has a role that he does well, but due to his size and other options, he is not needed to play on the key forward for the other team

 

[Igloo]

Out of interest doggies fans, did Morris play in the games where Petrie kicked 7 and Kennedy kicked 10? Not that he would be a good match up for either due to height, but I do find it hard to believe he has never had a bag kicked on him in a 150 game career, and those are just two games I can remember that the dogs had a bag kicked on them. Guessing Lake/WIlliams played on them?

I can't remember, but he probably did play. Markovic and Lake were on Kennedy that day though, I can say with 100% certainty.
Petrie, Lake would have taken him. We usually played Lake on Petrie. If not Lake, Williams.

I can't remember a bag ever being kicked against Morris. That's not to say it's never happened, I just can't remember one. I think I remember Riewoldt kicking 4 on him a few years ago, but I can't be certain without looking it up, which I can't be bothered doing .

 

[liam_13]

I can't remember, but he probably did play. Markovic and Lake were on Kennedy that day though, I can say with 100% certainty.
Petrie, Lake would have taken him. We usually played Lake on Petrie. If not Lake, Williams.

I can't remember a bag ever being kicked against Morris. That's not to say it's never happened, I just can't remember one. I think I remember Riewoldt kicking 4 on him a few years ago, but I can't be certain without looking it up, which I can't be bothered doing .

I wouldn't expect you to look it up, was just in case someone could think of one from the top of their head.

Just because there was 1 or 2 absolutes being thrown around and would be surprised if true

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

More than 20 posts have been removed from this thread. If you want to squabble like children, then you'll be carded. No more warnings.

 

[Dazb86]

I can't remember, but he probably did play. Markovic and Lake were on Kennedy that day though, I can say with 100% certainty.
Petrie, Lake would have taken him. We usually played Lake on Petrie. If not Lake, Williams.

I can't remember a bag ever being kicked against Morris. That's not to say it's never happened, I just can't remember one. I think I remember Riewoldt kicking 4 on him a few years ago, but I can't be certain without looking it up, which I can't be bothered doing .

I think Reiwoldt kicked 4 on him in the prelim. Morris was playing with a fractured leg though.

 

[nicshata]

Morris is a pure stopper without much skill while Thompson sets up plays.

So it depends what your team needs.

Not true.... your so silly Bigeasy

 

[Bigeasy]

Not true.... your so silly Bigeasy

Yes it is and that is no slight on Morris as I consider him the better player right now but Thompson is getting better every year.

I would have thought that a poll comparing Dale Morris and Craig Bolton more apt to be honest.

 

[Saintly31]

I'm a huge fan of Morris, at his best is one of the most underrated players in the league.

IMO 2012 for Thompson was better than any year Morris has had, yey Morris has achieved more in his career.

Ill call it a draw - 2013 will tell us more as ST is only just hitting his best years.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Morris for mine but was impressed a bit the few times I saw Thompson. He also gets lol value for the infamous Barry Hall headlock incident which has provided me with some amusement.

 

[mark73]

Was it Thompson who tried to take on B Hall?

That's probably what a lot of the opposition stuff is based on, but he's a different player nowadays. I've never seen Morris completely dominate Adam Goodes yet. It resulted in a 1pt loss, but it was through no fault of Thompson. I've never actually seen Morris beat any of our forwards, and we're supposedly shit.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

This question is an absolute insult to Morris and I can't believe a Bulldogs supporter has posted it...
Isn't Thompson that doll that Hall played with a couple of years ago? He is shithouse
The OP should be red carded for this thread.

 

[Igloo]

This question is an absolute insult to Morris and I can't believe a Bulldogs supporter has posted it...
Isn't Thompson that doll that Hall played with a couple of years ago? He is shithouse
The OP should be red carded for this thread.

There is context behind it. There was an argument on the main board. There was no question in my mind.

 

[ManOfClay]

IMO 2012 for Thompson was better than any year Morris has had

Morris was back pocket in the 2008 AA team, sharing the full back line with Scarlett and Harley. I'd say his 2008 was better than any year Thompson has had.

I've never actually seen Morris beat any of our forwards, and we're supposedly shit.

What forwards has he played on from North? Who has beaten him?

 

[Engimal]

This question is an absolute insult to Morris and I can't believe a Bulldogs supporter has posted it...
Isn't Thompson that doll that Hall played with a couple of years ago? He is shithouse
The OP should be red carded for this thread.

Take your trolling to the bay. Thompson was one of the better defenders in the comp last year.