Recommitted Darcy Cameron [Signed until 2029]

[Rusty Beam]

According to you, he said he has taken the most intercept marks.

Did it say he was the "most in form ruckman in the league" as well?"

Have a listen yourself.

 

[Tugga27]

Have a listen yourself.

I wasn't saying he wasn't playing well.
And yes, he's taken more intercept marks than Gawn.

My point was he's not the most inform ruckman in the comp.
Gawn is and then there's daylight IMO.

 

[Obeanie1]

Asif Collingwood are going to trade the most inform ruck in the league, who is contracted, whilst they are in the premiership window for a pick likely to draft to around pick 25 in a poor draft plus a nobody forward who would sit in our reserves.

Cameron is worth more than either Barrass or Baker. So in all likelihood he stays at the pies.

Pies need points for all the priority access the AFL believes it needs.

Four players this draft. 2 x father sons. 2 x NGA kids.

Pies aren't paying Cameron market rates nor market terms. Eagles offer sounds like it's turned his head. Longer term more money.

Bailey Williams or Jack Williams plus a 2nd gets it done.

Or he stays on shit money and plays another year and walks for less.

This all depends on Collingwood finding an adequate replacement. That is a certainty, they won't trade him without a replacement coming on board.

 

[DopeMaster]

Pies need points for all the priority access the AFL believes it needs.

Four players this draft. 2 x father sons. 2 x NGA kids.

Pies aren't paying Cameron market rates nor market terms. Eagles offer sounds like it's turned his head. Longer term more money.

Bailey Williams or Jack Williams plus a 2nd gets it done.

Or he stays on shit money and plays another year and walks for less.

This all depends on Collingwood finding an adequate replacement. That is a certainty they won't trade him without a replacement coming on board.

Lol

Cameron 2nd in our B and F last year and contracted. You want to give us a 2nd and some spud reserves player no one’s heard of?

Or think we would trade out one of the best rucks in the league for points? Points?

Cameron is worth more than Barrass. Start with what you extracted for him then go up.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I was simply quoting Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data and gave you the stats.

Not sure he is a one eyed supporter.

Daniel Hoyne is the same bloke David King steals most of his 'material' from and both of them are biased idiots.

 

[Obeanie1]

Lol

Cameron 2nd in our B and F last year and contracted. You want to give us a 2nd and some spud reserves player no one’s heard of?

Or think we would trade out one of the best rucks in the league for points? Points?

Cameron is worth more than Barrass. Start with what you extracted for him then go up.

Its up to Cameron not Collingwood what happens.

Pies paying under market in $ and term. Dont seem interested in retaining him long term nor rewarding his form.

Bloke has 3 or 4 years left and wants to get paid market rates. Simple enough.

Pies either trade him this year or get 25 cents in the dollar in 12 months.

Barrass was under contract and a contender wanted him bad. Hawks also played smart arse trading out their 1st rounder. Eagles arent giving up that draft capital for a 30 year old.

As I keep repeating Collingwood will only do it if they have a replacement to come in. Do not underestimate the Pies planning here. It only happens if they benefit.

Eagles arent paying Barrass prices. They arent contending.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Its up to Cameron not Collingwood what happens.

Pies paying under market in $ and term. Dont seem interested in retaining him long term nor rewarding his form.

Bloke has 3 or 4 years left and wants to get paid market rates. Simple enough.

Pies either trade him this year or get 25 cents in the dollar in 12 months.

Barrass was under contract and a contender wanted him bad. Hawks also played smart arse trading out their 1st rounder. Eagles arent giving up that draft capital for a 30 year old.

As I keep repeating Collingwood will only do it if they have a replacement to come in. Do not underestimate the Pies planning here. It only happens if they benefit.

Eagles arent paying Barrass prices. They arent contending.

Absolutely absurd. Reportedly the club is keen on extending him long term on decent coin.

According to Tom Morris:

“It's not as simple as if Cameron wants to go, he'll go. I still think he'll stay and I do know that Collingwood is trying to extend him and give him the money that he deserves because there is broad acknowledgment from both the club and his management that he's not being paid what he is worth at the moment because he signed a deal when he was the second banana”

Sure the contract may not ultimately get close to what the Eagles are offering, and he may still want to leave for a combination of financial and personal reasons.

But ultimately the situation demonstrably undermines your whole argument. You have actively head hunted a contracted player by offering massive money… and yet somehow you don’t think they’ll pay the asking price to get him across the line.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Its up to Cameron not Collingwood what happens.

Pies paying under market in $ and term. Dont seem interested in retaining him long term nor rewarding his form.

Bloke has 3 or 4 years left and wants to get paid market rates. Simple enough.

Pies either trade him this year or get 25 cents in the dollar in 12 months.

Barrass was under contract and a contender wanted him bad. Hawks also played smart arse trading out their 1st rounder. Eagles arent giving up that draft capital for a 30 year old.

As I keep repeating Collingwood will only do it if they have a replacement to come in. Do not underestimate the Pies planning here. It only happens if they benefit.

Eagles arent paying Barrass prices. They arent contending.

WC don't get to set the price lower because they aren't contending. If they are trying to get Cameron while in contract from a contending team, they are going to have pay market price. Why do Collingwood give a shit that WC shouldn't be paying a more than fair price? Not their problem. Its why its completely ridiculous if WC are even thinking about trading for him this year

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Absolutely absurd. Reportedly the club is keen on extending him long term on decent coin.

According to Tom Morris:

“It's not as simple as if Cameron wants to go, he'll go. I still think he'll stay and I do know that Collingwood is trying to extend him and give him the money that he deserves because there is broad acknowledgment from both the club and his management that he's not being paid what he is worth at the moment because he signed a deal when he was the second banana”

Sure the contract may not ultimately get close to what the Eagles are offering, and he may still want to leave for a combination of financial and personal reasons.

But ultimately the situation demonstrably undermines your whole argument. You have actively head hunted a contracted player by offering massive money… and yet somehow you don’t think they’ll pay the asking price to get him across the line.

We pay the price even when they are uncontracted though....

A wild statement to say we wont cough up given well the decade of evidence to the contrary

 

[THE_GUN]

Its up to Cameron not Collingwood what happens.

Pies paying under market in $ and term. Dont seem interested in retaining him long term nor rewarding his form.

Bloke has 3 or 4 years left and wants to get paid market rates. Simple enough.

Pies either trade him this year or get 25 cents in the dollar in 12 months.

Barrass was under contract and a contender wanted him bad. Hawks also played smart arse trading out their 1st rounder. Eagles arent giving up that draft capital for a 30 year old.

As I keep repeating Collingwood will only do it if they have a replacement to come in. Do not underestimate the Pies planning here. It only happens if they benefit.

Eagles arent paying Barrass prices. They arent contending.

How is this any different to Barrass deal ?
Cameron under contract and a contender (eagles) want him bad

They will over pay 100%
your delusional

 

[VinnieB]

How is this any different to Barrass deal ?
Cameron under contract and a contender (eagles) want him bad

They will over pay 100%
your delusional

He'll be their best player by a mile.
A proper club leader.

Eagles will roll out the red carpet and will happily pay up.
They seem to be a club you feel will come to the party.

 

[THE_GUN]

He'll be their best player by a mile.
A proper club leader.

Eagles will roll out the red carpet and will happily pay up.
They seem to be a club you feel will come to the party.

Matty Clarke always pays
The Pies will be asking for min Hawks 1st round and possibly a 2nd rounder for points
This trade is going to make the eagles supporters furious and rightly so as they could get him as a free agent 1 year later
Just makes no sense at all to throw away draft picks at a Rukman when you dont have a midfield capable and no hard waiting a year.

But what gets me is they overlook players from the west and pay a fortune to bring them back home
says alot about their talent identification about players under their noses

 

[Pure_Ownage]

WC don't get to set the price lower because they aren't contending. If they are trying to get Cameron while in contract from a contending team, they are going to have pay market price. Why do Collingwood give a shit that WC shouldn't be paying a more than fair price? Not their problem. Its why its completely ridiculous if WC are even thinking about trading for him this year

The Eagles just shouldn't trade for him as you say.

 

[Obeanie1]

WC don't get to set the price lower because they aren't contending. If they are trying to get Cameron while in contract from a contending team, they are going to have pay market price. Why do Collingwood give a shit that WC shouldn't be paying a more than fair price? Not their problem. Its why its completely ridiculous if WC are even thinking about trading for him this year

They do. They will pay what they feel is his worth.

It's either a reasonable deal now or less in12 months and he is out of contract.

Or Pies pony up and pay market term and rates.

Why would the Eagles over pay massively in draft picks for a 30 year old ruck not getting paid market rates after earning a big rise but not getting one.

 

[Obeanie1]

WC don't get to set the price lower because they aren't contending. If they are trying to get Cameron while in contract from a contending team, they are going to have pay market price. Why do Collingwood give a shit that WC shouldn't be paying a more than fair price? Not their problem. Its why its completely ridiculous if WC are even thinking about trading for him this year

The purchaser doesn't set the price they are prepared to pay?

They do.

 

[Rich01]

Sounds like the hard work has been done by West Coast and they have convinced DC to come over.

Like the Baker trade, they know that they need to pony up with a good pick to satisfy the Pies.

And they have two first rounders, two seconds and whatever they get for Allen this year.

Pies will ask for a lot to let him go, and after chasing him so hard, the Eagles will give it to get their man. And geez don’t they need him.

 

[VinnieB]

Pies need points for all the priority access the AFL believes it needs.

Four players this draft. 2 x father sons. 2 x NGA kids.

Pies aren't paying Cameron market rates nor market terms. Eagles offer sounds like it's turned his head. Longer term more money.

Bailey Williams or Jack Williams plus a 2nd gets it done.

Or he stays on shit money and plays another year and walks for less.

This all depends on Collingwood finding an adequate replacement. That is a certainty they won't trade him without a replacement coming on board.

Who????

 

[VinnieB]

Sounds like the hard work has been done by West Coast and they have convinced DC to come over.

Like the Baker trade, they know that they need to pony up with a good pick to satisfy the Pies.

And they have two first rounders, two seconds and whatever they get for Allen this year.

Pies will ask for a lot to let him go, and after chasing him so hard, the Eagles will give it to get their man. And geez don’t they need him.

Cameron is also in the leadership group at the club. Leadership is what the Eagles don't have. If they want to develop the kids, this is their chance, and I'm sure they realise this.

Cameron is still under contract, and if his desire is to return home, I don't think he is the sort of guy who will force a trade if the Pies aren't acceptably compensated.

Eagles will pay, because they'll struggle to get any top line players who want to play there.

He may end up at West Coast not because there is any potential there. Of all clubs, West Coast would be the least appealing. No hope of playing finals again. Only a big cheque makes it bearable.

 

[VinnieB]

Its up to Cameron not Collingwood what happens.

Pies paying under market in $ and term. Dont seem interested in retaining him long term nor rewarding his form.

Bloke has 3 or 4 years left and wants to get paid market rates. Simple enough.

Pies either trade him this year or get 25 cents in the dollar in 12 months.

Barrass was under contract and a contender wanted him bad. Hawks also played smart arse trading out their 1st rounder. Eagles arent giving up that draft capital for a 30 year old.

As I keep repeating Collingwood will only do it if they have a replacement to come in. Do not underestimate the Pies planning here. It only happens if they benefit.

Eagles arent paying Barrass prices. They arent contending.

What are market rates for him?

You realise he is under contract. Why would the Pies tear up a contract and pay him more now? He'll get a nice pay rise and contract offered to him next year, if he doesn't want to return home.

 

[Rich01]

Cameron is also in the leadership group at the club. Leadership is what the Eagles don't have. If they want to develop the kids, this is their chance, and I'm sure they realise this.

Cameron is still under contract, and if his desire is to return home, I don't think he is the sort of guy who will force a trade if the Pies aren't acceptably compensated.

Eagles will pay, because they'll struggle to get any top line players who want to play there.

He may end up at West Coast not because there is any potential there. Of all clubs, West Coast would be the least appealing. No hope of playing finals again. Only a big cheque makes it bearable.

He’ll get massive $$$ and a 4 year contract that’s heavily front ended. They wouldn’t be paying many big bucks over the next two years so it makes sense for them to do so.

Pies will demand overs and rightly so, they are in win now mode and he’s crucial to their success.

But Eagles have multiple quality picks in this draft to make it happen and Matty Clarke would have known they would have to pony up if they are trying to entice a player in contract.

Pies will turn that draft collateral into Marshall, ROB or Darcy and potentially have a little leftover.

He will be excellent for the Eagles for a couple of years.

 

[Obeanie1]

Lol

Cameron 2nd in our B and F last year and contracted. You want to give us a 2nd and some spud reserves player no one’s heard of?

Or think we would trade out one of the best rucks in the league for points? Points?

Cameron is worth more than Barrass. Start with what you extracted for him then go up.

What is the quality of the 4 players Pies need points to draft.

Are they top 5 picks?

Top 10?

Pies need points to draft them. Lots of points.

Eagles will hold alot of picks worth points.

Collingwood go get all 4 players. Several first round quality.

Eagles give up the points to help get them.

Simple concept.

 

[Couch Coach]

What is the quality of the 4 players Pies need points to draft.

Are they top 5 picks?

Top 10?

Pies need points to draft them. Lots of points.

Eagles will hold alot of picks worth points.

Collingwood go get all 4 players. Several first round quality.

Eagles give up the points to help get them.

Simple concept.

AFL Draft: Race to be pick 1 wide open; lots of academy-linked players

A number of talented young players could put their hand up to be the No. 1 prospect, but be warned, there are academy and NGA-linked players everywhere in Jasper Chellappah's April Power Rankings.

www.espn.com.au

• McGuane = Late 1st
• Saxena = 2nd round onwards
• McCarthey = 2nd round onwards
• Lonie = No mention

Davo-27 Early Top 50 (April 21st) on draft board:

• McGuane = Late 1st
• Saxena = No mention (outside top50)
• McCarthey = No mention
• Lonie = No mention

 

[Obeanie1]

AFL Draft: Race to be pick 1 wide open; lots of academy-linked players

A number of talented young players could put their hand up to be the No. 1 prospect, but be warned, there are academy and NGA-linked players everywhere in Jasper Chellappah's April Power Rankings.

www.espn.com.au

• McGuane = Late 1st
• Saxena = 2nd round onwards
• McCarthey = 2nd round onwards
• Lonie = No mention

Davo-27 Early Top 50 (April 21st) on draft board:

• McGuane = Late 1st
• Saxena = No mention (outside top50)
• McCarthey = No mention
• Lonie = No mention

And what picks do the Pies currently hold?

No 1st. Pick 36 is their first pick they have.

Which will slide to pick 46.

Pies need points. And picks to bring in players.

 

[Couch Coach]

And what picks do the Pies currently hold?

No 1st. Pick 36 is their first pick they have.

Which will slide to pick 46.

Pies need points. And picks to bring in players.

Plenty of ways to get picks without trading our only AFL quality ruck (until Steene/Smit develop hopefully)

• Deficit
• Trade future picks
• Trade surplus players
• Take on salary dumps (if our cap allows it)
• Compensation pick/s (say a RFA like Maynard leaves)

• Or we could pass on players if the cost is too high

 

[Obeanie1]

Plenty of ways to get picks without trading our only AFL quality ruck (until Steene/Smit develop hopefully)

• Deficit
• Trade future picks
• Trade surplus players
• Take on salary dumps (if our cap allows it)
• Compensation pick/s (say a RFA like Maynard leaves)

• Or we could pass on players if the cost is too high

Yes there are.

But there is no disputing the need and desire to improve Collingwoods list and youth.

You don't get quality in without using quality picks and or lots of points.

How do get quality picks and points?

Letting quality players go who you can replace cheaper.

Collingwood has a pretty long shopping list this draft. It does not yet hold the draft picks or points to pay for them.

Will Cameron be a part of the offseason list changes to assist the Pies refresh their list? Only time will tell.