David Cloke - guilty

[Chris_23]

Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN
God its humerous how people seem to think that a player has 5-10 minutes to think of how he is going to approach the upcoming incident. Instead of the actual time of a split second.

He didn't have time to think about it, so that makes it ok?

He hit him in the face. Edwards had to leave the ground with concussion. Now whether he meant it or not isn't always the point. It was a reckless attempt to spoil, and he's paying the price. I feel for him, and i feel for Edwards. Lets not forget that he missed out on helping the Crows get into a Grand Final.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by Stocka


I don't think anyone's saying that at all.

But the way people analyse it all.
"He must have been thinking"..."You can see clearly that"

People sometimes forget that you have a split second, not a month to decide what you are about to do.

Most of you have played sport at school or club level.
You know what im saying don't you?

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN


But the way people analyse it all.
"He must have been thinking"..."You can see clearly that"

People sometimes forget that you have a split second, not a month to decide what you are about to do.

Most of you have played sport at school or club level.
You know what im saying don't you?

The same point can be made to both sides of the argument though. That's why I make the point that I made earlier (regarding whether or not he would have known where his opponent was).

It's most likely, that the action can be put down to a misjudged, careless, thoughtless, or reckless moment.

 

[Seth]

Originally posted by The Ewok


Not a chance, clear cut two week suspension

Only question is will the Magpies cheat the system and take the result to court and get an injunction after the appeal is thrown out

Hey moron if it was your club playing in a GF then you would hope they could do all they can to.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

I can't believe that Cloke got 2 weeks whilst Brown's sniper punch to the head against Essendon got 1 week.

Surely there was more intent in that then there was in the Cloke incident.

 

[Fred]

If the roles were reversed and Edwards did the same thing to Cloke, causing him to miss the grand final, I bet you would be screaming for a lengthy suspension.
It was a reckless act deserving of suspension.

 

[Lockyer24]

I have no doubt it was unintentional but it was reckless and probably a worthy suspension.

Usually this time of the year though they display a little more compassion but being who we are (The CFC) I wasnt expecting any favours.

 

[k.t.frog]

Originally posted by Stocka


Regardless of whether or not there was any intent, I'm quite sure that Cloke would have known exactly where his opponent was.

I never understand it, when people say things like "he had no idea where the player was because he had his eyes on the ball" when it is quite obvious that both players are spatially very close to each other.

Of course players know where their opponents are - if they don't then they shouldn't/wouldn't be playing the game. Basically, the matter therefore, is whether or not intent was an issue.

Whether or not Cloke intended to make his opponent "earn" his possession, I doubt that he intended to seriously injure someone via his attempt to spoil.

spew, thats what i wuz going to say

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
I have no doubt it was unintentional but it was reckless and probably a worthy suspension.

Usually this time of the year though they display a little more compassion but being who we are (The CFC) I wasnt expecting any favours.

Don't put this down to a anti-Pie thing 'cause it aint.

The tribunial get off on giving suspensions causing players missing the GF. They love the power.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN
I can't believe that Cloke got 2 weeks whilst Brown's sniper punch to the head against Essendon got 1 week.

Surely there was more intent in that then there was in the Cloke incident.

I'd agree that Brown was lucky to only get 1 week (I thought it deserved 2, and wouldn't have been surprised if he'd gotten 3).

However, the most baffling thing about it all, was that Brown was also involved in another very similar incident, yet, this went un-reported. Likewise for Lynch. However, even more ridiculous was the 2 week suspension that Lynch copped for his flick-around.

Sure, they were probably sending a warning message to Lynch, to tighten up, especially seeing as though he has a previous record - however, even considering that, most would have thought that a 1 week suspension would have been more than enough.

With that said, apart from Cloke missing the GF, I don't necessarily think that 2 weeks is inappropriate. It's unfortunate that he is suspended at such a crucial time, but he's not the first, even in recent times(J.McCartney, C.Scott, C.McRae, A.Lynch, etc.).

 

[hawkfan5]

Very unlucky I think.

Cloke would have to be heartbroken, really feel for the bloke.

 

[mellowyellow]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
I have no doubt it was unintentional but it was reckless and probably a worthy suspension.

Usually this time of the year though they display a little more compassion but being who we are (The CFC) I wasnt expecting any favours. [/QUOTE

Given a different player at another club up on the same charge i think the outcome would have been the same, the fact that it was a player with the CFC is irrelevant. I feel sympathy for cloke missing out however the tribunal thought otherwise.

 

[bluecrow]

Originally posted by hawkfan5
Very unlucky I think.

Cloke would have to be heartbroken, really feel for the bloke.

But don't spare a thought for Tyson Edwards who came away with a broken nose, concussion and couldn't remember the preliminary final at all. He was the unlucky one, I would think.

Didn't do the Crows much damage either. Oh no, just robbed us early in a preliminary final of one of our top 5 players who happens to be leading the Crows in kicks, 2nd in disposals and 2nd in marks.

So let's all feel sorry for Jason Cloke.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I question the penalty. I think a one game suspension in a minor round game is a lot lighter penalty than missing a Grand Final. Normally I would support a 1 or 2 game suspension for Cloke, but in this situation I would support a cash penalty should the tribunal determine there was the slightest chance it was accidental. This may be Jason Cloke's one and only chance of playing in a Grand Final, and I feel he deserves that chance.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
I have no doubt it was unintentional but it was reckless and probably a worthy suspension.

Usually this time of the year though they display a little more compassion but being who we are (The CFC) I wasnt expecting any favours.

Exactly, you've had enough favours already.
1st choice of changing rooms for finishing 4th, it never stops.

 

[irish]

we are all sad for someone to miss a grand final particular for someone so young but if you do the crime (even if it wasnt your intent) you do the time !!

sorry pies its a fair cop,dont bother appealing or going to court
its a waste of time

 

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by sandeano
See? I always said the silly lad should have gone to Richmond.

Had he have been a Tiger, right now he'd be kicking back, beer in hand, with the biggest worry on his mind being whether to go and get the overnighter new release, or 5 weeklies for $6.

ROFLMAO - absolute quality sandy!

 

[skilts]

I've only seen the replay of the incident once on video and I couldn't tell whether he hit him in the face or not. Still photos I've seen indicate he didn't have, "eyes only for the ball", rather it looked like his eyes were closed when he hit him, if he did.

My interest in this issue, and that of Tarrant's fitness is that there is less glory in beating an under-manned Collingwood team. It may turn the whole game into a farce, but I'd take a premiership anyway.

If Collingwood do win, will it be the greatest win in their history? Even better than their fourth in a row in the thirties, or their 1958 triumph?

Not to mention that I've just spent $120 to watch the game. The game, i.e., the experience of it, is the thing. Hope Cloke gets off on appeal.

 

[mattyc2422]

The penatly is a tad harsh in my opinion, but I feel he may get another chance at a flag during his career.








I cannot believe I said that

 

[Slax]

He did it and 2 weeks maybe harsh but he's gotta get at least 1. He should've been more careful and known that a GF was at stake. the tribunal should not consider what game the player is missing out on only whether or not the player is guilty and what punishment it deserves.

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
I have no doubt it was unintentional but it was reckless and probably a worthy suspension.

Usually this time of the year though they display a little more compassion but being who we are (The CFC) I wasnt expecting any favours.

I think you used up all your favours earlier on in the year when Buckley got off a on very similar incident!

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by grayham


Exactly, you've had enough favours already.
1st choice of changing rooms for finishing 4th, it never stops.

The changing rooms will really affect the result.
Thank God we got them.

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by CJH


I think you used up all your favours earlier on in the year when Buckley got off a on very similar incident!

What about 2 weeks for Tarrant with no video footage of the incident and basing it all on the evidence of one white maggot that was 30 metres away from the play.

 

[CJH]

Originally posted by mattyc2422
The penatly is a tad harsh in my opinion, but I feel he may get another chance at a flag during his career.


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Playing for a club that has won 1 premiership in the last 44 years!!!! He will be about 50 by the time Collingwood win their next one!

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by NICK THE PIE MAN


The changing rooms will really affect the result.
Thank God we got them.

If they are no advantage why not toss for them like every other year ?
You do realise its not a Collingwood home game.