Roast Dawes

[Rummy]

wether he was playing on Scarlett or an AFL debutant, his performance would have been the same. He seriously needs to stop trying to mark the ball at its absolute maximum height from the ground with his fingertips.

Trying to continously do so, just made him look stupid as not even the Hulk could have pulled in those marks with his fingerstips. Not to mention how easily he is pushed under the height of the ball, or should I say eased, because sometimes it doesnt even look like his opponent touched him.

He either needs to slow his lead at the start so that his opponent runs into his back, and then near the last moment spurt forward so that his opponent cannot spoil, or when its bombed simply learn how to muscle his opponent out of the way with his bigger body, so that even if he doesnt mark it, that his opponent has to chop his arms, or hold him, and he'll get a free.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

He seriously needs to stop trying to mark the ball at its absolute maximum height from the ground with his fingertips.

Trying to continously do so, just made him look stupid as not even the Hulk could have pulled in those marks with his fingerstips. Not to mention how easily he is pushed under the height of the ball, or should I say eased, because sometimes it doesnt even look like his opponent touched him.

Yep, I think it's an over-correction to keep the ball away from the defender's spoil. Hopefully he'll get it right soon. He's still only had one bad game at senior level this year.

 

[Zahki]

Dawes is our best prospect for a power forward right now. We need him to keep getting games and developing, experiences like Friday will be good for him in the long run. If he keeps improving then he should be firmly entrenched in our best 22 by the end of the season.

Patience, Dawes will be a great forward in time.

 

[burtpies]

Yes he has played 10 games, but it still shows that he CAN NOT take an overhead mark. Jono can't kick on his right side we know that but when you are the marking target inside 50 and you cant take a contested mark you might as well go to the backline. He reminds me of Simon Minton-Connell. Good target inside 50 on the lead with the laces out kick but can't take it over head.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

But he has taken overhead marks? If it's simply a case of "he didn't do it on Friday night therefore he'll never be able to do it", your theory would still fall over because he's taken overhead marks in other matches at both AFL and VFL level. How do you explain those?

Just a silly thing to say.

 

[Zahki]

Yes he has played 10 games, but it still shows that he CAN NOT take an overhead mark. Jono can't kick on his right side we know that but when you are the marking target inside 50 and you cant take a contested mark you might as well go to the backline. He reminds me of Simon Minton-Connell. Good target inside 50 on the lead with the laces out kick but can't take it over head.

He took a big contested mark above his head against 2 North defenders a couple of weeks ago, so maybe you should just pay more attention?

 

[danielnajdek]

Probably because he dropped a couple then takes a overhead mark they think he fluked it Selective memory by some in here

Oh by the way Buddy dropped a few overhead marks today. Doesn't mean he's not a good overhead mark.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

No, but it was something Buddy was criticised about early in his career, funnily enough. Moreso contested marking.

 

[danielnajdek]

Yeah I remember people saying that it might of been his bad shoulders.

 

[TradeDraft]

Yes he has played 10 games, but it still shows that he CAN NOT take an overhead mark. Jono can't kick on his right side we know that but when you are the marking target inside 50 and you cant take a contested mark you might as well go to the backline. He reminds me of Simon Minton-Connell. Good target inside 50 on the lead with the laces out kick but can't take it over head.

Has has Improved a lot in his overhead marking. Taken a Few at AFL Level.

 

[TradeDraft]

No, but it was something Buddy was criticised about early in his career, funnily enough. Moreso contested marking.

Spot On - I don't remember Buddy having Bad Shoulders?

 

[Dicky_Knee]

I would happy for Dawes to become the next Lloyd, buddy or brown dog, i just don't think he ever will be.

I guess time will answer all the questions.

I have been happy for us to have multiple goal kickers, it works for us.

I have also been happy with cloke this year, after promising so much. Dawes just isnt there he isnt a collingwood man, he has no ticker, i would be happy to be proven wrong, because my kids need someone to try and emulate in the backyard, will that be Dawes?

 

[Go_collingwood_]

i believe dawes can be ok but for people to say he will be the next buddy or J brown is a really massive call

 

[TradeDraft]

i believe dawes can be ok but for people to say he will be the next buddy or J brown is a really massive call

Yeah I think that is a bit over the Top.

 

[danielnajdek]

All I said was that Buddy could not mark overhead that well.Never said Dawes will be the next Buddy or Browny.

 

[Dicky_Knee]

I don't just bag any player.

I like McCaffer just need to play of the hb line

I think Leon needs a break, someone has to tell him again, he is not 6 foot tall, so he should stay on the ground and crumb goals when Dawes gets beaten.

I think Cloke Maybe finding what he is good at?

I've been sort of happy with the way Jolly has started.

Steele has been awsome so far will be a gun.

Pendles, swan, daisy and a host of others have stepped up this year, which is why we are playing good footy, mostly.

So i'm not just bagging everyone, just one bloke who isn't cutting the mustard and i dont think he ever will.

 

[Keele]

Because Dicky Knee is touching the nerves of a few of you who are BIG Dawes fans I see no reason why he cannot have his opinion.

Maybe a few of you have posted in the "who to drop next week" thread and on your own opinion as well have decided a player is not worthy of a game next week.

Have any of the above had to back pedal on BJ and his form this year?


I have been a fan of Dawes and can say with honesty he really needs to prove himself over the coming weeks... he had chances last year and blew them, much like he played last week.

He cannot remain a FF if he does not improve his overhead marking and the way he is positioning himself and leading for those kicking into the forward line.... no good just being a tall target when overhead marking is your weakness.

My biggest concern over the past 2 weeks is lack of goals from him.

 

[pauly_moss]

Dawes has been great since coming in did not have a good game but Cloke was far worse. I am not worried about one loss, put more blame on the kicking to the forwards was horrible Im surprised the big man wernt screaming at them like Richo used to for the Tigers coz it was warrented on Friday

 

[shawthing09]

Generally, yes, that's exactly what a good power forward will do.

But he's still very young, and is getting better. As I said a few weeks ago, Dawes isn't nearly as good as Essendon or Carlton made him look, nor is he is bad as Geelong and the Bulldogs will make him look.

MDC Summed it up perfectly hear. Anyone expecting any better from Dawes on Friday night clearly haven't been paying enough attention to the way he has played in he good games. He was never going to get the space and pin point passes he has had in previous weeks and as such was always going to struggle big time and he did.

As has been mentioned when going for the ball overhead he doesn't read the flight well and gets under the ball to much. He should learn to be better in this regard with time though.

The biggest worry about it all is that his poor attempts can really burn us. As a foward target he is the 12 point turn around king. Too often he just doesn't make a contest, the ball goes over the back and Geelong can set up from the back.

I find a few things that get thrown around in these threads amusing.

1) Dawes is a TRUE FF and Anthony is a 3rd tall. It's rubbish Anthony plays far more "true FF" then Dawes ever has or will. Dawes at best is a CHF type, similar to Cloke. In fact it is the main advantage he has over Anthony in that Dawes allows Cloke (most times) to play deeper which makes our fowardline look better because Cloke is clearly our best foward.

2) The "Poor delivery" excuse or "wide game plan" it is the same thing that Anthony had to deal with last year and Cloke has had to all career. Cloke had the same delivery and looked extremely dangerous on Friday night. Almost any foward in the competition will look like a star in space taking the ball on the chest. A quality foward makes the most of 50/50 contests more often then not and creates a contest for the crumbers. Dawes is very poor in this regard currently.

3) Dawes had Scarlett all game. It's poor on two levels, firstly it's untrue. Lonergan made Dawes his bitch early in the game, Taylor in patches and Scarlett too. Scarlett played on whoever played deepest and at times loose. Lonergan is a 3rd defender at best and beat Dawes too. On top of that isn't that what Jack's critics bring out as their man whip? "Anthony goes missing against the best defenders"

4) The comparisons to Buddy's overhead marking. It's true for his first couple years buddy played more like a crumber then a foward target. The difference is when your as quick and agile as Buddy your not going to need to take to many contested overhead marks and still doesn't really. Most the time when he marks over head he has enough space between him and the defender for it to be impossible for the defender to make a fair spoil. Dawes doesn't have much pace off the mark, let alone that kind of pace

 

[TradeDraft]

MDC Summed it up perfectly hear. Anyone expecting any better from Dawes on Friday night clearly haven't been paying enough attention to the way he has played in he good games. He was never going to get the space and pin point passes he has had in previous weeks and as such was always going to struggle big time and he did.

As has been mentioned when going for the ball overhead he doesn't read the flight well and gets under the ball to much. He should learn to be better in this regard with time though.

The biggest worry about it all is that his poor attempts can really burn us. As a foward target he is the 12 point turn around king. Too often he just doesn't make a contest, the ball goes over the back and Geelong can set up from the back.

I find a few things that get thrown around in these threads amusing.

1) Dawes is a TRUE FF and Anthony is a 3rd tall. It's rubbish Anthony plays far more "true FF" then Dawes ever has or will. Dawes at best is a CHF type, similar to Cloke. In fact it is the main advantage he has over Anthony in that Dawes allows Cloke (most times) to play deeper which makes our fowardline look better because Cloke is clearly our best foward.

2) The "Poor delivery" excuse or "wide game plan" it is the same thing that Anthony had to deal with last year and Cloke has had to all career. Cloke had the same delivery and looked extremely dangerous on Friday night. Almost any foward in the competition will look like a star in space taking the ball on the chest. A quality foward makes the most of 50/50 contests more often then not and creates a contest for the crumbers. Dawes is very poor in this regard currently.

3) Dawes had Scarlett all game. It's poor on two levels, firstly it's untrue. Lonergan made Dawes his bitch early in the game, Taylor in patches and Scarlett too. Scarlett played on whoever played deepest and at times loose. Lonergan is a 3rd defender at best and beat Dawes too. On top of that isn't that what Jack's critics bring out as their man whip? "Anthony goes missing against the best defenders"

4) The comparisons to Buddy's overhead marking. It's true for his first couple years buddy played more like a crumber then a foward target. The difference is when your as quick and agile as Buddy your not going to need to take to many contested overhead marks and still doesn't really. Most the time when he marks over head he has enough space between him and the defender for it to be impossible for the defender to make a fair spoil. Dawes doesn't have much pace off the mark, let alone that kind of pace

Pretty Good Sum Up. Yeah with not putting in 100% all the time did hurt us as the Run the Cats get from there Defense is why they are so Good.

With Scarlett being loose - Who's Idea was that. Just played into the Cats Hands.

 

[Optimax]

Pretty Good Sum Up. Yeah with not putting in 100% all the time did hurt us as the Run the Cats get from there Defense is why they are so Good.

With Scarlett being loose - Who's Idea was that. Just played into the Cats Hands.

If you watched the game and took noticed, you would realise we plated, all of Nate brown, wood, jolly, and after he completed gave up a marking contest Dawes as decoy forwards. Due to the fact all of the above were as dangerous as a waif with a piece of wet lettuce he ran around at will

 

[Go_collingwood_]

MDC Summed it up perfectly hear. Anyone expecting any better from Dawes on Friday night clearly haven't been paying enough attention to the way he has played in he good games. He was never going to get the space and pin point passes he has had in previous weeks and as such was always going to struggle big time and he did.

As has been mentioned when going for the ball overhead he doesn't read the flight well and gets under the ball to much. He should learn to be better in this regard with time though.

The biggest worry about it all is that his poor attempts can really burn us. As a foward target he is the 12 point turn around king. Too often he just doesn't make a contest, the ball goes over the back and Geelong can set up from the back.

I find a few things that get thrown around in these threads amusing.

1) Dawes is a TRUE FF and Anthony is a 3rd tall. It's rubbish Anthony plays far more "true FF" then Dawes ever has or will. Dawes at best is a CHF type, similar to Cloke. In fact it is the main advantage he has over Anthony in that Dawes allows Cloke (most times) to play deeper which makes our fowardline look better because Cloke is clearly our best foward.

2) The "Poor delivery" excuse or "wide game plan" it is the same thing that Anthony had to deal with last year and Cloke has had to all career. Cloke had the same delivery and looked extremely dangerous on Friday night. Almost any foward in the competition will look like a star in space taking the ball on the chest. A quality foward makes the most of 50/50 contests more often then not and creates a contest for the crumbers. Dawes is very poor in this regard currently.

3) Dawes had Scarlett all game. It's poor on two levels, firstly it's untrue. Lonergan made Dawes his bitch early in the game, Taylor in patches and Scarlett too. Scarlett played on whoever played deepest and at times loose. Lonergan is a 3rd defender at best and beat Dawes too. On top of that isn't that what Jack's critics bring out as their man whip? "Anthony goes missing against the best defenders"

4) The comparisons to Buddy's overhead marking. It's true for his first couple years buddy played more like a crumber then a foward target. The difference is when your as quick and agile as Buddy your not going to need to take to many contested overhead marks and still doesn't really. Most the time when he marks over head he has enough space between him and the defender for it to be impossible for the defender to make a fair spoil. Dawes doesn't have much pace off the mark, let alone that kind of pace

so true all people on here do is make excuses for Dawes

i laugh at people that say JA is a 3rd tall or shouldnt be in the team because the guy was reliable last season and was 1 of the reasons we were top 4 yet according to half this board his now "not good enough" and Dawes is the next buddy seriously its a joke

 

[Optimax]

so true all people on here do is make excuses for Dawes

i laugh at people that say JA is a 3rd tall or shouldnt be in the team because the guy was reliable last season and was 1 of the reasons we were top 4 yet according to half this board his now "not good enough" and Dawes is the next buddy seriously its a joke

JA is at best a second tall or more likely 3rd, he is too small to be a first tall abd his interrupted preseason didn't help.

In saying that doesn't change that dawes has faults, which many of his fanboys(like Anthony fanboys last year) refuse to admit too abd get quite irate if they are pointed out.

Both need to improve alot to ever be more then solid afl players, we hope they do but to get all antsy of valid criticism about real defencies isn't going to help any.

 

[Go_collingwood_]

Cloke is our main man up forward but seriously i think JA should be the man in the 50 meter line playing FF

 

[Optimax]

Cloke is our main man up forward but seriously i think JA should be the man in the 50 meter line playing FF

One if Jack or medhurst must play every week, Dawes is better option as 2nd tall and Cloke is clearly our main man