Mega Thread Dayne Beams trade (Its over, thread closed)

[Ketchup]

Would trading the second rounder we'll get for Harry entice Brisbane to give us redden or aish? Beams + 28 (or Melbourne's) for pick 5 + redden. The good thing in our favor now is, if Melbourne does indeed get pick 3, there is a very very high chance the top rated midfielders (brayshaw and petracca) will be off the board, thus limiting the chance of us getting a replacement and lowering the value of Brisbane first pick.

 

[Robroy22]

Of course every situation is different.
But the key points in this instance are that we have a player who wants to leave due to his father being seriously ill. Yes he is still under contract for one more year but I don't believe that holds as much leverage as it would normally.

I don't believe when push comes to shove that Collingwood will force him to stay at the club for another season for the the 3 reasons I listed in the previous post.
- We don't want to be seen as preventing son moving closer to ill father.
- We don't want to keep players at the club if they are not happy.
- We lose him for nothing next year.
And I assume Brisbane are thinking the same thing.

Time will tell but I would be absolutely shocked and over the moon if we could get pick 4 and another first round pick or pick 4 + Aish (or equivalent) from where things stand now. Brisbane's first 2 picks (or similar) is about all I could hope for. That changes if GCS get involved.

This is a big blow for the club but I am still generally positive about our future.

So.....there was no real HISTORY of this happening before then?

 

[Primetime Pricey]

cool, now the fake accounts are being made to make us look like w***ers. This is going to be a fun couple weeks

 

[ClaytonM]

Swan is NOW ageing and that’s only become visible in an injury affected year 4 years after the GF win. He’ll be very good for a couple of years yet. Cloke, Pendlebury & Thomas were in their prime and Beams & Sidebottom approaching that point rapidly. The ageing "core" was actually the periphery bar Jolly who should have been a target for specific replacement in the short term (over and above drafting Grundy and having Witts for the longer term solution).

So we bought Ball for nothing. He was peripheral.

Our core did not run anywhere as deep as Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Roughhead, Burgoyne, Rioli, Lake (and last year Franklin). Then add emerging players like Gunston, Breust, Suckling etc This list is just awesome. In hindsight our 2010/11 list was not as good as I think we all thought at the time.

 

[Bay Pie]

I listened to Greg Swann. He's a professional. I like to hear what he has to say to Dean Warner. Amateur hour. I haven't heard of him before and perhaps he's a novice.

Interesting Swann indicated when talking about Joel Patfull requesting a move to Sydney, that they " held all the aces because he's contracted". That is a direct quote.

Swann knows the lay of the land and no way does he allow this to go past this trade period. We'll get more then pick 4/5 but it's not going to come close to replacing Beams.

The best trades always have both sides feeling they've both given up too much.

Pick 4 + Josh Green + pick 24 for Beams + 46

 

[HFF]

Swann on Trade week radio now saying a deal has to be done that leaves all sides feeling like they have had a win.

You'll end up with Dayne Beams, how is that not winning?

 

[HowYouDoin]

I listened to Greg Swann. He's a professional. I like to hear what he has to say to Dean Warner. Amateur hour. I haven't heard of him before and perhaps he's a novice.

Interesting Swann indicated when talking about Joel Patfull requesting a move to Sydney, that they " held all the aces because he's contracted". That is a direct quote.

Swann knows the lay of the land and no way does he allow this to go past this trade period. We'll get more then pick 4/5 but it's not going to come close to replacing Beams.

The best trades always have both sides feeling they've both given up too much.

Pick 4 + Josh Green + pick 24 for Beams and 46

That seems like a pretty fair trade. Although losing Josh green would sting a bit, seeing as he is such a live wire in our forward 50. But we can't honestly expect to get beams for nothing. A player like that will need more than pick 4.

 

[Babylove]

I was just reading the Beams thread on the Draft & Trades board (dangerous I know) and someone threw up Tom Mitchell's name. If Brisbane could shake Mitchell loose (perhaps a trade involving Patful) what would the thoughts be of pick 4 & Mitchell for Beams?

 

[dansa]

So.....there was no real HISTORY of this happening before then?

I said historically, when a good player wants to leave and names a destination club there is rarely (if ever) true and fair compensation. And I believe this to be true. So in answer to your question yes there has been history of 'good players wanting to leave and naming destination clubs and the compensation being considered unfair'

But let's not go back and forth on such a boring point. I have explained why I don't think we will get full value for Beams in these circumstances and I've stated the level of compensation I expect the club will end up with. Why don't you just express your alternate view on what the likely outcome to be and I can consider that and hope you are proven correct.

 

[weevil]

I listened to Greg Swann. He's a professional. I like to hear what he has to say to Dean Warner. Amateur hour. I haven't heard of him before and perhaps he's a novice.

Interesting Swann indicated when talking about Joel Patfull requesting a move to Sydney, that they " held all the aces because he's contracted". That is a direct quote.

Swann knows the lay of the land and no way does he allow this to go past this trade period. We'll get more then pick 4/5 but it's not going to come close to replacing Beams.

Dean -Warren- is a sharp operator, they are playing good cop bad cop same way your guys are.

Patfull has said he is open to a trade but is also happy to stay in Brisbane so it is a totally different situation.

Both clubs have operators who have been round the block more than once. If they can manufacture something without requiring a third club I think they will get it done very quickly.

 

[Ketchup]

Dean -Warren- is a sharp operator, they are playing good cop bad cop same way your guys are.

Patfull has said he is open to a trade but is also happy to stay in Brisbane so it is a totally different situation.

Both clubs have operators who have been round the block more than once. If they can manufacture something without requiring a third club I think they will get it done very quickly.

Were just playing good cop by saying "offer what hes worth" your just playing campaigner cop by saying lawl we wanna rape you

 

[Matz]

I was just reading the Beams thread on the Draft & Trades board (dangerous I know) and someone threw up Tom Mitchell's name. If Brisbane could shake Mitchell loose (perhaps a trade involving Patful) what would the thoughts be of pick 4 & Mitchell for Beams?

I would very much take that deal but seems like a stretch.

 

[Robroy22]

I said historically, when a good player wants to leave and names a destination club there is rarely (if ever) true and fair compensation. And I believe this to be true. So in answer to your question yes there has been history of 'good players wanting to leave and naming destination clubs and the compensation being considered unfair'

But let's not go back and forth on such a boring point. I have explained why I don't think we will get full value for Beams in these circumstances and I've stated the level of compensation I expect the club will end up with. Why don't you just express your alternate view on what the likely outcome to be and I can consider that and hope you are proven correct.

My alternative is: I haven't (to my knowledge) witnessed a scenario where a contracted "gun" player got to stipulate where he wanted to go. I remember Judd and Ball and others who were un-contracted or had been shopped around by their clubs doing it, but never a guy that actually has a year to go on a contract with a club that's treated him very well since drafting him originally. I understand the rationale behind his wanting to leave and I feel for the boy and his family, but I don't think pies supporters are going too far overboard against some Brisbane gloats that want retribution for something that happened to them?
So my alternative is to remain open to whatever comes of Beamer's decision, to be positive and supportive of my club and to point out to people who claim some historic significance of such trades that it hasn't happened before so once again we pies supporters are sailing un-chartered waters.

Ps...we can never get "full value" for Beamer because he is who he is. We can I contend go one of two ways: Take the high draft picks and try and develop another gun midfielder (the long way) or we can do as Bucks and Hine have both stated and look to be traded a ready made replacement.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I was just reading the Beams thread on the Draft & Trades board (dangerous I know) and someone threw up Tom Mitchell's name. If Brisbane could shake Mitchell loose (perhaps a trade involving Patful) what would the thoughts be of pick 4 & Mitchell for Beams?

Tom Mitchell would be a good get at the right price. He would slot in nicely as a Beams replacement I think able to win both contested and uncontested ball whilst still impacting the scoreboard.

Trouble is I think Sydney would be reluctant to release him. There has been some talk that Jack may try his hand at Rugby so Swans might like to hedge their bets a little. I can only think that if Mitchell has already turned down Carlton than Sydney has offered him more game time in 2015.

I'm not sure you could get good value with Mitchell as Swan's would just want too much in return.

 

[Bay Pie]

Dean -Warren- is a sharp operator, they are playing good cop bad cop same way your guys are.

Patfull has said he is open to a trade but is also happy to stay in Brisbane so it is a totally different situation.

Both clubs have operators who have been round the block more than once. If they can manufacture something without requiring a third club I think they will get it done very quickly.

Listening to Swann, it didn't sound like Patfull is 'open' to a trade, more like Patfull has 'asked ' for a trade. Bit like Jackson Paine (open to trade) as compared to Karnezis (asked for a trade)

No chance this gets done quickly. It'll be on the last 2 days of the trade period. I believe a deal will get done though.

 

[itwdandy]

What if we forget about pick 4 and just ask for Aish and Redden or Aish and Mayes. Would Bris go for that do you think? Brissy supporters what's your take?

 

[dansa]

My alternative is: I haven't (to my knowledge) witnessed a scenario where a contracted "gun" player got to stipulate where he wanted to go. I remember Judd and Ball and others who were un-contracted or had been shopped around by their clubs doing it, but never a guy that actually has a year to go on a contract with a club that's treated him very well since drafting him originally. I understand the rationale behind his wanting to leave and I feel for the boy and his family, but I don't think pies supporters are going too far overboard against some Brisbane gloats that want retribution for something that happened to them?
So my alternative is to remain open to whatever comes of Beamer's decision, to be positive and supportive of my club and to point out to people who claim some historic significance of such trades that it hasn't happened before so once again we pies supporters are sailing un-chartered waters.

Ps...we can never get "full value" for Beamer because he is who he is. We can I contend go one of two ways: Take the high draft picks and try and develop another gun midfielder (the long way) or we can do as Bucks and Hine have both stated and look to be traded a ready made replacement.

As I said, I believe the fact that he is still contracted for 1 year holds very little leverage in this scenario for the reasons I outlined previously. Time will tell I guess.

I would much prefer the club looked long term & high draft picks. But unfortunately Buckley and the club probably feel the pressure to stabilize the on field immediately so will probably settle for pick 5 plus an experienced player.

 

[western royboy]

What if we forget about pick 4 and just ask for Aish and Redden or Aish and Mayes. Would Bris go for that do you think? Brissy supporters what's your take?

Won't happen

 

[Embleberry]

I was just reading the Beams thread on the Draft & Trades board (dangerous I know) and someone threw up Tom Mitchell's name. If Brisbane could shake Mitchell loose (perhaps a trade involving Patful) what would the thoughts be of pick 4 & Mitchell for Beams?

Take it and run. We won't get much better than that IMO.

What if we forget about pick 4 and just ask for Aish and Redden or Aish and Mayes. Would Bris go for that do you think? Brissy supporters what's your take?

Lol they're on the untouchables list apparently. Don't even bother asking.

 

[ksardog]

Some problems: First, as much as I want to thank the Dees for taking H off our hands, giving them another pick for nothing makes little sense to me. Add in Clarke, and we're square.

Also, I seriously doubt the GWS would want another pick in the top 5 without really adding any more senior experience to the list.

Sigh, I just want this to be done

I thought 22 was to high for straight swap for lumumba, thats why i added our 3rd rounder to it. We get one back from GWS if u noticed

Patfull is a 2 time best and fairest reliable defender, something GWS are crying out for.

 

[Robroy22]

Dean -Warren- is a sharp operator, they are playing good cop bad cop same way your guys are.

Patfull has said he is open to a trade but is also happy to stay in Brisbane so it is a totally different situation.

Both clubs have operators who have been round the block more than once. If they can manufacture something without requiring a third club I think they will get it done very quickly.

Yeah we know mate. Swann was ours before Carlton poached him...lol

 

[itwdandy]

What if bris involve Syd in a 3 way trade

Bris give Syd pick 4
Syd give Coll Mitchell and they're 1st or 2nd rounder
Coll give Bris beams!

This way it's only cost Bris pick 4, Syd get to the granny and end up with pick 4 for a guy who they don't see as best 22 on grand final day and pies get a ready replacement for beams plus a late 1st/2nd rounder.

Does this work? I don't really see a loser

 

[PieMan!]

Coll
Gain Tom Mitchell , Tim Membrey
Loss Beams

Bris
Gain Beams
Loss Pick 4

Syd
Gain Pick 4
Loss Tom Mitchell , Tim membrey

Steak knifes would have to be put in but that would be the core of the trade

 

[loki04]

I was just reading the Beams thread on the Draft & Trades board (dangerous I know) and someone threw up Tom Mitchell's name. If Brisbane could shake Mitchell loose (perhaps a trade involving Patful) what would the thoughts be of pick 4 & Mitchell for Beams?

That would be a good outcome.

 

[loki04]

Coll
Gain Tom Mitchell , Tim Membrey
Loss Beams

Bris
Gain Beams
Loss Pick 4

Syd
Gain Pick 4
Loss Tom Mitchell , Tim membrey

Steak knifes would have to be put in but that would be the core of the trade

That would be a shit outcome.

We want 4 plus player.