Discipline at the Cats

[Willo_]

You should relive some of Ablett Senior's highlights where defenders would literally place both hands across his shoulders to keep his feet planted on the ground in attempt to prevent him from jumping. Silvagni was a master at it and even worse, Silvagni stood nearly 10cm taller.

Hawkins is often taller than any defender assigned to him and if wants to continue to wrestle instead of trying to use his height advantage, that is his own fault.

He's the softest big man of his generation.
I feel no sympathy when he turns to the umpires and has a whinge.
It is like Selwood who loves to niggle during a game but when his opponent doesn't hold back and actually starts to over power him, he looks to the umpires for help.
It's one of the worst issues at Geelong. We are such an undisciplined football team and it starts with the captain who learned everything he needed to know from Johnson.

Bobby you love to bang on about it, but not one single person that plays in the AFL is soft, I'd even say the same goes for VFL and most levels of local footy... you simply can't play the game if you are soft.

Some players like the harder stuff more than others no doubt but some players are also quicker than others, stronger than others etc... everyone had their strengths and weaknesses. The way you continue to belittle our side for being soft is quite frankly offensive to everyone that is in that side.

It's not the 80s now, you can't go round belting blokes... if someone doesn't take their eyes off the ball and commits that is all we should ask for.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

You should relive some of Ablett Senior's highlights where defenders would literally place both hands across his shoulders to keep his feet planted on the ground in attempt to prevent him from jumping. Silvagni was a master at it and even worse, Silvagni stood nearly 10cm taller.

Hawkins is often taller than any defender assigned to him and if wants to continue to wrestle instead of trying to use his height advantage, that is his own fault.

He's the softest big man of his generation.
I feel no sympathy when he turns to the umpires and has a whinge.
It is like Selwood who loves to niggle during a game but when his opponent doesn't hold back and actually starts to over power him, he looks to the umpires for help.
It's one of the worst issues at Geelong. We are such an undisciplined football team and it starts with the captain who learned everything he needed to know from Johnson.

I think you are the soft one Bobby

 

[wcadams88]

I think you are the soft one Bobby

A lot easier to do from behind a computer monitor

 

[David the Cat]

Bobby you love to bang on about it, but not one single person that plays in the AFL is soft, I'd even say the same goes for VFL and most levels of local footy... you simply can't play the game if you are soft.

Some players like the harder stuff more than others no doubt but some players are also quicker than others, stronger than others etc... everyone had their strengths and weaknesses. The way you continue to belittle our side for being soft is quite frankly offensive to everyone that is in that side.

It's not the 80s now, you can't go round belting blokes... if someone doesn't take their eyes off the ball and commits that is all we should ask for.

Putting the fact that its directed to Bobby aside, this is absolutely correct in every way. Applying the word "soft" to any AFL player at any club is just plain ignorant.

Well said Wiilo

 

[Willo_]

Putting the fact that its directed to Bobby aside, this is absolutely correct in every way. Applying the word "soft" to any AFL player at any club is just plain ignorant.

Well said Wiilo

And in defense of Bob, I think it is just poor wording and he thinks we lack 'hard' players... the intimidating types

 

[Partridge]

And in defense of Bob, I think it is just poor wording and he thinks we lack 'hard' players... the intimidating types

At the same time, I'm not sure there's even a role for those players now.

 

[Ricketz]

You should relive some of Ablett Senior's highlights where defenders would literally place both hands across his shoulders to keep his feet planted on the ground in attempt to prevent him from jumping. Silvagni was a master at it and even worse, Silvagni stood nearly 10cm taller.

Hawkins is often taller than any defender assigned to him and if wants to continue to wrestle instead of trying to use his height advantage, that is his own fault.

He's the softest big man of his generation.
I feel no sympathy when he turns to the umpires and has a whinge.
It is like Selwood who loves to niggle during a game but when his opponent doesn't hold back and actually starts to over power him, he looks to the umpires for help.
It's one of the worst issues at Geelong. We are such an undisciplined football team and it starts with the captain who learned everything he needed to know from Johnson.

Gawd, you're full of crap sometimes. You would wet your pants if he looked sideways at you. This post is probably the most courageous thing you have done in your life.

 

[Ricketz]

And in defense of Bob, I think it is just poor wording and he thinks we lack 'hard' players... the intimidating types

Why defend him? Its just a rubbish comment.

 

[Willo_]

At the same time, I'm not sure there's even a role for those players now.

I'm not sure either, I think the Hawks somewhat bullying us at times of late has gotten into his head.
But the hardness intimidation factor is overrated to a certain extent, sure Mummy steamrolling blokes makes his side walk taller... but if players but their head over the ball and play the ball they get rewarded - more so than ever... and good players know this..
A player hurts you more with cheap free possessions IMO

 

[David the Cat]

Intimidation might be a factor for young players,( and not much of one ) but hardened AFL footballers are not frightened of their opponents ...particularly these days, given the scrutiny they are under with cameras on every angle, and suspensions frowned upon by coaches and I suspect colleagues as well.

Football is faster, and just as hard as its ever been. The pace these guys hit the football (and each other) is breathtaking sometimes.

As Partridge pointed out, there no role for the "intimidators" these days.

 

[jim boy]

Mots is an interesting case in point, last year's presason was pretty disappointing, but that's all it was - I'm not aware that he was into silly pranks, such as what SJ was up to. I dont think the club hid its disappointment and the attempt to offload him last year seems to have delivered the kick up the pants that he needed if he is to take his game to the next level.

The club and its playing group are way more professional now then they were in the lee of the 2006 season and it shows. Also vitally the leadership group is both much stronger and also really does pave the way. In 2006 it was a broken-down King, now it is a hard-as-nuts Selwood

 

[nananana catman]

For anyone who has worked in an organisation that employs a Leading Teams philosophy or something similar, it's highly accountable. Its a really interesting environment to work in but it relies on being sincere and brutally honest with one another to maintain a very high standard.

It's possible that high level demand has dropped a little bit; without there being a discipline problem or the like.

 

[Partridge]

For anyone who has worked in an organisation that employs a Leading Teams philosophy or something similar, it's highly accountable. Its a really interesting environment to work in but it relies on being sincere and brutally honest with one another to maintain a very high standard.

It's possible that high level demand has dropped a little bit; without there being a discipline problem or the like.

It's worth pointing out though, that first year when Leading Teams were brought in? That was a full 10 years ago now.

 

[SJ]

I'd love that. Who'd wanna stand in front of him. Was it Toovey? We saw what can happen.

That was about the last time Hawkins attempted to leave planet earth too (except for first half of the final against Hawthorn).

 

[you pick one]

At the same time, I'm not sure there's even a role for those players now.

It depends a lot on your interpretation of intimidating players,take Buddy for instance he intimidated the complete Geelong back line for a quarter of footy in last years PF with just energy and a determination to stamp his name on the game,he has take a few scalps along the way so did Senior but over all their intimidation was based on their talent and sheer bloody mindedness to beat their opponent.
Some players give you sleepless nights and it's not only because you might get a clip under the lug hole.

 

[you pick one]

That was about the last time Hawkins attempted to leave planet earth too (except for first half of the final against Hawthorn).

There is a lesson there if you look closely at the vision of the ball coming in,Smith has gone deep to the goal square and was double teamed by Gibson and Lewis so out of the contest.DID YOU SEE THAT SCOTTY?

 

[BlightysCats]

You should relive some of Ablett Senior's highlights where defenders would literally place both hands across his shoulders to keep his feet planted on the ground in attempt to prevent him from jumping. Silvagni was a master at it and even worse, Silvagni stood nearly 10cm taller.

Hawkins is often taller than any defender assigned to him and if wants to continue to wrestle instead of trying to use his height advantage, that is his own fault.

He's the softest big man of his generation.
I feel no sympathy when he turns to the umpires and has a whinge.
It is like Selwood who loves to niggle during a game but when his opponent doesn't hold back and actually starts to over power him, he looks to the umpires for help.
It's one of the worst issues at Geelong. We are such an undisciplined football team and it starts with the captain who learned everything he needed to know from Johnson.

You're right Bobby we are a massively undisciplined footy team though I'm not exactly sure why? I know Scott came out last year saying we had a discipline issue that we needed to fix but he came out the year before that saying the same and the year before that, so I don't hold much hope that anything will change.

Pretty amusing that the tin foil hat brigade think there's a conspiracy against Hawkins by the umps, I honestly can't recall once where I've felt Hawkins has been harshly done by.

 

[Bobby_]

Geelong conceded the most free kicks per game yet again last year.

Guess who conceded the least?

 

[dazbroncos]

You're right Bobby we are a massively undisciplined footy team though I'm not exactly sure why? I know Scott came out last year saying we had a discipline issue that we needed to fix but he came out the year before that saying the same and the year before that, so I don't hold much hope that anything will change.

Pretty amusing that the tin foil hat brigade think there's a conspiracy against Hawkins by the umps, I honestly can't recall once where I've felt Hawkins has been harshly done by.

Well blow me over..

GO Catters

 

[you pick one]

Pretty amusing that the tin foil hat brigade think there's a conspiracy against Hawkins by the umps, I honestly can't recall once where I've felt Hawkins has been harshly done by.

 

[Turbocat]

You're right Bobby we are a massively undisciplined footy team though I'm not exactly sure why? I know Scott came out last year saying we had a discipline issue that we needed to fix but he came out the year before that saying the same and the year before that, so I don't hold much hope that anything will change.

Pretty amusing that the tin foil hat brigade think there's a conspiracy against Hawkins by the umps, I honestly can't recall once where I've felt Hawkins has been harshly done by.

Confirmation bias ? Most forwards get the rough end of it at times and Hawkins certainly has.

 

[Willo_]

You're right Bobby we are a massively undisciplined footy team though I'm not exactly sure why? I know Scott came out last year saying we had a discipline issue that we needed to fix but he came out the year before that saying the same and the year before that, so I don't hold much hope that anything will change.

Pretty amusing that the tin foil hat brigade think there's a conspiracy against Hawkins by the umps, I honestly can't recall once where I've felt Hawkins has been harshly done by.

Go and watch basically any game last year and you will see examples, he constantly gets scragged and held off the ball... He also unfortunately doesn't help his own cause as he tries to engage in wrestles too often and also spits the dummy when he doesn't get a free.

IMO if he just shut up he may find himself getting more frees than he does, umps are humans... they don't like being told off and react as humans do - despite trying to remain impartial

 

[BlightysCats]

Confirmation bias ? Most forwards get the rough end of it at times and Hawkins certainly has.

Forwards get the rough end of it? You must've forgotten the chopping arms rule, the harsher interpretation of the in the back rule, the fact defenders technically can't rush through a behind when not under pressure, or the harsher interpretation of deliberate out of bounds.

 

[BlightysCats]

Go and watch basically any game last year and you will see examples, he constantly gets scragged and held off the ball... He also unfortunately doesn't help his own cause as he tries to engage in wrestles too often and also spits the dummy when he doesn't get a free.

IMO if he just shut up he may find himself getting more frees than he does, umps are humans... they don't like being told off and react as humans do - despite trying to remain impartial

Yeah he gets scragged, but so does every other major power forward in the comp, the problem is on here you'd think it was only Hawkins and that the umpires especially have it in for him. I certainly hardly notice it and don't think it affects the outcome of any of our games.

You're right about him sooking it up though, it doesn't help his cause. I wish he'd turn around to the midfielders once in a while and go through them for the poor delivery just popping it up constantly on his head, that'd be a sook way better directed.

 

[dazbroncos]

Confirmation bias ? Most forwards get the rough end of it at times and Hawkins certainly has.

Hes looking for bites.

Just exit the thread.

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