Do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase?

[Mynamesinuse]

Highlights how great Nic Daicos has been if you think Pies 2022-26 is comparable to Geelong 07-11....and the good news is that there were doubts on Geelong 2011 as they lost GAJ.

So good signs for Pies 2026, who are also being written off...might do a Geelong 11 and storm back and grab another flag

No I never said that.
That’s how ridiculous Fadges comparison of players is.
Like the posters that say Daicos dominates Rowell Green Dunkley on the inside

 

[Robertio]

Highlights how great Nic Daicos has been if you think Pies 2022-26 is comparable to Geelong 07-11....and the good news is that there were doubts on Geelong 2011 as they lost GAJ.

So good signs for Pies 2026, who are also being written off...might do a Geelong 11 and storm back and grab another flag

Ha ha ha Fadge was the one comparing, misfired deliberately again.

 

[doppleganger]

Ha ha ha Fadge was the one comparing, misfired deliberately again.

Oh Robo, you should probably stick to making yourself look silly using #RoboLogic in Carlton related threads

 

[doppleganger]

No I never said that.
That’s how ridiculous Fadges comparison of players is.

This was your ridiculous comment, completely missing the point again.

In your view I take it Selwood is far superior to Daicos he’d won 3 premierships in 5 seasons.

People (another tormented Tiger) are critising Daicos as he wasn't top2 on the ground according to coaches votes in any of his first 7 finals.

A laughable stat when you consider that 3 of those finals were in his debut season, and then the following two were when he returned from a knee injury and was only 3rd and 4th best according to coaches.

Joel Selwood also wouldn't have been top2 on the ground in any of his first 10 finals...but no surprise you completely miss the point that the tiger stat is moronic.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

This was your ridiculous comment, completely missing the point again.

People (another tormented Tiger) are critising Daicos as he wasn't top2 on the ground according to coaches votes in any of his first 7 finals.

A laughable stat when you consider that 3 of those finals were in his debut season, and then the following two were when he returned from a knee injury and was only 3rd and 4th best according to coaches.

Joel Selwood also wouldn't have been top2 on the ground in any of his first 10 finals...but no surprise you completely miss the point that the tiger stat is moronic.

You see that’s how ridiculous you are. Read my post I said in your ridiculous comparisons.

You blokes keep moving the goal posts.

 

[doppleganger]

You see that’s how ridiculous you are. Read my post I said in your ridiculous comparisons.

You blokes keep moving the goal posts.

You are the nuffie who took a comparison of individual performance and introduced Joel Selwood getting flags (a team achievement).

Using the same woeful Tiger logic (not being best two in your first 7 finals) Joel is also a dud, as he wasn't top2 in any of his first 9 finals.

 

[Robertio]

Oh Robo, you should probably stick to making yourself look silly using #RoboLogic in Carlton related threads

Lol don't like being wrong do you?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I just learned on this thread Dustin Martin should apologise for his poor finals record and Nikos is the undisputed finals GOAT, and this is going to somehow save the Pies from needing to rebuild, despite being old and shyte, and their so called best player being afraid of body contact.

Collingweird supporters at their brilliant best here.

 

[VicBased]

So good signs for Pies 2026, who are also being written off...might do a Geelong 11 and storm back and grab another flag

Tell em their dreaming .

 

[Irish BlueBagger]

It's not a question of do Collingwood need to enter a rebuild phase. They're actually already in it and that will become pretty apparent to all this year.

 

[ShereKhan]

I love this.

Daicos to remain BEHIND players he has outperformed in every one of the past 3 seasons.

What is your matrix for rating players, because it surely can't be on field performance?

I watch the games and believe all of those guys were superior to Daicos in 2025. It's funny how Pie supporters don't believe that's possible.

Bont, Butters, Anderson and Rowell ALL averaged more coaches votes than Daicos AND had a higher player rating.

In addition to those 2 things, Rowell and Bontempelli also averaged more Brownlow votes per game.

Rowell & Butters also won their team's B&F. Bont came second despite missing 5 x games. Anderson came second to Rowell - both of them can't win it.

Out of those 5 x mids Daicos was LAST of the 5 in all of these categories:

Contested Possessions
Groundball Gets
Post Clearance CP
Total Clearances
First Possession
Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
Defensive Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
1%'ers: Daicos was clearly behind others
Score Launches
Intercept Possessions

Daicos was obviously first in many categories, but majority of things relating to fierce contests and high pressure Daicos was last of the 5.

So I rate winning contests and stuff done in the heat of the battle over outside run and carry - this is where finals and flags are won.

I rate Daicos very highly...top half dozen players in the competition. I rate Bont, Butters, Rowell, Anderson, Cameron ahead of him and maybe a few others on a par.

Maybe open the other eye and realise some players from other teams are absolute superstars of our game.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

I watch the games and believe all of those guys were superior to Daicos in 2025. It's funny how Pie supporters don't believe that's possible.

Bont, Butters, Anderson and Rowell ALL averaged more coaches votes than Daicos AND had a higher player rating.

In addition to those 2 things, Rowell and Bontempelli also averaged more Brownlow votes per game.

Rowell & Butters also won their team's B&F. Bont came second despite missing 5 x games. Anderson came second to Rowell - both of them can't win it.

Out of those 5 x mids Daicos was LAST of the 5 in all of these categories:

Contested Possessions
Groundball Gets
Post Clearance CP
Total Clearances
First Possession
Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
Defensive Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
1%'ers: Daicos was clearly behind others
Score Launches
Intercept Possessions

Daicos was obviously first in many categories, but majority of things relating to fierce contests and high pressure Daicos was last of the 5.

So I rate winning contests and stuff done in the heat of the battle over outside run and carry - this is where finals and flags are won.

I rate Daicos very highly...top half dozen players in the competition. I rate Bont, Butters, Rowell, Anderson, Cameron ahead of him and maybe a few others on a par.

Maybe open the other eye and realise some players from other teams are absolute superstars of our game.

Not sure this will get through to them. I posted NWM v Daicos stats for 2025 as apparently Daicos was indisputably miles in front.

Every stat NAS lead in was irrelevant apparently yet the 30 disposals to 29.9 showed Daicos was miles in front.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I watch the games and believe all of those guys were superior to Daicos in 2025. It's funny how Pie supporters don't believe that's possible.

Bont, Butters, Anderson and Rowell ALL averaged more coaches votes than Daicos AND had a higher player rating.

In addition to those 2 things, Rowell and Bontempelli also averaged more Brownlow votes per game.

Rowell & Butters also won their team's B&F. Bont came second despite missing 5 x games. Anderson came second to Rowell - both of them can't win it.

Out of those 5 x mids Daicos was LAST of the 5 in all of these categories:

Contested Possessions
Groundball Gets
Post Clearance CP
Total Clearances
First Possession
Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
Defensive Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
1%'ers: Daicos was clearly behind others
Score Launches
Intercept Possessions

Daicos was obviously first in many categories, but majority of things relating to fierce contests and high pressure Daicos was last of the 5.

So I rate winning contests and stuff done in the heat of the battle over outside run and carry - this is where finals and flags are won.

I rate Daicos very highly...top half dozen players in the competition. I rate Bont, Butters, Rowell, Anderson, Cameron ahead of him and maybe a few others on a par.

Maybe open the other eye and realise some players from other teams are absolute superstars of our game.

Even old Cheatvote McRae knew Nikos wasn't worthy of the club B & F, despite playing every game for the season.

Cheatvote probably took a few votes off after getting sick to death of Daicos engaging reverse gear on so many critical contests as well. Nobody is going to put up with that rubbish forever.

Here's a thought. Pies could kickstart their rebuild by trading Nick to Saints for 3 x rd 1 picks. Nick could watch Wang-Milera at close quarters and learn how to play the role properly.

 

[ShereKhan]

Yeah, a team that finished 17th in his draft year, and were apparently in for a minimum of 5 years of Carlton 21st century type mediocrity.

In a team with apparently no other decent midfielders to steal votes off him.

You've got to get your narrative consistent...

Yeah, I don't know how Daicos possibly did it.

Walked into a team who'd gone: Runners-Up, PF, Semi-final, 17th, PF, Flag...it's almost like 2021 was the outlier.

Pick the outlier from these years:

2nd
4th
6th

17th

1st
3rd


I'll give you a few minutes of think music.

The 2021 team he walked into had established stars galore...Pendles, Sidey, Grundy, Moore, Elliott, Crisp, DeGoey, Howe, Cameron, Maynard...the list goes on.....

Martin walked into a team that hadn't made finals in 9 x years and had finished 16th (last), 12th, 9th, 16th, 9th, 15th when he arrived with barely any established guns.

 

[Fadge]

I watch the games and believe all of those guys were superior to Daicos in 2025. It's funny how Pie supporters don't believe that's possible.

Bont, Butters, Anderson and Rowell ALL averaged more coaches votes than Daicos AND had a higher player rating.

In addition to those 2 things, Rowell and Bontempelli also averaged more Brownlow votes per game.

Rowell & Butters also won their team's B&F. Bont came second despite missing 5 x games. Anderson came second to Rowell - both of them can't win it.

Out of those 5 x mids Daicos was LAST of the 5 in all of these categories:

Contested Possessions
Groundball Gets
Post Clearance CP
Total Clearances
First Possession
Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
Defensive Pressure Acts: Daicos was clearly behind others
1%'ers: Daicos was clearly behind others
Score Launches
Intercept Possessions

Daicos was obviously first in many categories, but majority of things relating to fierce contests and high pressure Daicos was last of the 5.

So I rate winning contests and stuff done in the heat of the battle over outside run and carry - this is where finals and flags are won.

I rate Daicos very highly...top half dozen players in the competition. I rate Bont, Butters, Rowell, Anderson, Cameron ahead of him and maybe a few others on a par.

Maybe open the other eye and realise some players from other teams are absolute superstars of our game.

RonnieRaven - another one for you.

LOLOLOL.

 

[Fadge]

Yeah, I don't know how Daicos possibly did it.

Walked into a team who'd gone: Runners-Up, PF, Semi-final, 17th, PF, Flag...it's almost like 2021 was the outlier.

Pick the outlier from these years:

2nd
4th
6th

17th

1st
3rd


I'll give you a few minutes of think music.

The 2021 team he walked into had established stars galore...Pendles, Sidey, Grundy, Moore, Elliott, Crisp, DeGoey, Howe, Cameron, Maynard...the list goes on.....

Martin walked into a team that hadn't made finals in 9 x years and had finished 16th (last), 12th, 9th, 16th, 9th, 15th when he arrived with barely any established guns.

You really do need to go back and look at the narrative post 2021 season.

It wasn't my narrative, it was the narrative of pretty much everyone else on BigFooty.

Come to think of it, it's eerily similar to the current narrative about Collingwood....

LOLOLOL.

 

[ShereKhan]

LOLOLOL.

Go look back at the narrative at the time...

And since when has WHE been considered a star of the competition?

And have a look at the pre 2022 narrative around Josh Daicos.

There's narrative, and then there's reality. Whilst some may have had a narrative they were 'cooked', a team containing established guns at peak performance like Grundy, Sidey, Pendles, Crisp, Elliott, Adams, DeGoey, Mihocek, Moore, Maynard, Howe and more were probably not going to remain near the bottom...and so it proved.

 

[Fadge]

Daicos was obviously first in many categories, but majority of things relating to fierce contests and high pressure Daicos was last of the 5.

So I rate winning contests and stuff done in the heat of the battle over outside run and carry - this is where finals and flags are won.

I rate Daicos #1, Bont #2 and Serong #3, based on recent/medium term performance.

All media ratings across the board have interchanged between Bont and Daicos as #1 and #2, basically since the end of 2023, Daicos' second year in the system.

You seem to have him somewhere around your top 10.

And I'm the one who has it wrong and needs to open the other eye?

 

[ShereKhan]

RonnieRaven - another one for you.

LOLOLOL.

So if Naicos is clearly superior to Bont, Butters, Anderson and Rowell, how do they all average more coaches votes and have a higher player rating that Naicos?

How is that even possible?

 

[Fadge]

There's narrative, and then there's reality. Whilst some may have had a narrative they were 'cooked', a team containing established guns at peak performance like Grundy, Sidey, Pendles, Crisp, Elliott, Adams, DeGoey, Mihocek, Moore, Maynard, Howe and more were probably not going to remain near the bottom...and so it proved.

You're great at rewriting history.

 

[Fadge]

So if Naicos is clearly superior to Bont, Butters, Anderson and Rowell, how do they all average more coaches votes and have a higher player rating that Naicos?

How is that even possible?

Dunno, ask the players and umpires.

And can we do coaches votes over the last 3 years, or are we only limited to 2025 to suit your narrative?

 

[ShereKhan]

I rate Daicos #1, Bont #2 and Serong #3, based on recent/medium term performance.

All media ratings across the board have interchanged between Bont and Daicos as #1 and #2, basically since the end of 2023, Daicos' second year in the system.

You seem to have him somewhere around your top 10.

And I'm the one who has it wrong and needs to open the other eye?

oh....the meeeeeeddddddyyyyyaaaaaaa....hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha.......hahahahhahahahahahhahahaha. You mean like Cornes, Cooney and Derwayne Russell.......bahahahahhahaha.

The media are heavily represented on the AA committee aren't they? And had Naicos on the bench. Bont was as well, but he missed 5 x games.

So this meeeddddyyyaaaaaa you tell us about who rate Naicos as #1/#2, didn't rate him high enough to have him on-field in the AA team.

How is that even possible?

Bahhahahahahhaha.

 

[Fadge]

oh....the meeeeeeddddddyyyyyaaaaaaa....hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhahaha.......hahahahhahahahahahhahahaha. You mean like Cornes, Cooney and Derwayne Russell.......bahahahahhahaha.

The media are heavily represented on the AA committee aren't they? And had Naicos on the bench. Bont was as well, but he missed 5 x games.

So this meeeddddyyyaaaaaa you tell us about who rate Naicos as #1/#2, didn't rate him high enough to have him on-field in the AA team.

How is that even possible?

Bahhahahahahhaha.

Where was Rowell in the AA team, out of interest?

 

[ShereKhan]

You're great at rewriting history.

Oh...weren't Grundy, Sidey, Pendles, Crisp, Elliott, Adams, DeGoey, Mihocek, Moore, Maynard, Howe on your list?

 

[Fadge]

Over the last 3 years:
Players have had Bont and Daicos as their equal best players
Coaches have had Daicos as their best player.
Umpires have had Daicos as their best player.
Media have interchanged between Daicos and Bont as their best players.

But ShereKhan calls people deluded if they rate Daicos as #1, because he has Daicos circa 10th best....