Do the equalisation methods need tweaking?

[Furn2]

The 2 clubs i was talking about were lions and swans using cola to keep players from running home.

It is a fact the 4 Northern clubs have issues with go home factor. The academies will turn this around.

Hawthorn have just been in 4 gf's. Should they be banned from their dollar making schemes in tassie?

We are trying to broaden the junior base, the one we keep getting accused of taking all of.
If we keep taking academy kids surely that leaves the best of the traditional kids for traditional clubs.
Lets also remember that other clubs have gotten academy kids as well as the 4 northern clubs.

Hawthorn work under the same rules as everyone else. If they had a cola or academy it would be taken away if the were over performing like Brisbane and the Swans have.

 

[Colonial]

Hawthorn work under the same rules as everyone else. If they had a cola or academy it would be taken away if the were over performing like Brisbane and the Swans have.

Everyone is working under the same rules the rules state if based in the north you get academies. To boost the playing numbers and juniors.
And to also curb go home factor.

 

[andrew coombs]

Northern clubs have won way more flags and played more finals than on average than any other area. There's no evidence of any disadvantage.

The landscape has changed. GWS, Brisbane and the GC have all lost high end draftees to clubs in traditional football States. When a kid at the Giants sees Boyd or Treloar hit the road at first opportunity they feel there is no need to waste their careers at some AFL experimental outpost. McCarthy didn't even feel his contract needed to be honoured when he sought a ticket back home to Perth. In this environment of player empowerment the clubs in areas of the country where AFL footy has a smaller support base are most definitely at a disadvantage.

 

[juddy_Like]

Get rid of the discount for academy prospects. The advantage of say Sydney with Mills is that you get exclusive access to that kid others don't.

I thought the whole point of the academy is to pump more Northern states kids into the afl system and not to have every academy prospect playing for that team.

 

[Colonial]

Get rid of the discount for academy prospects. The advantage of say Sydney with Mills is that you get exclusive access to that kid others don't.

I thought the whole point of the academy is to pump more Northern states kids into the afl system and not to have every academy prospect playing for that team.

Its also to help with the go home factor

And as the clubs pay for them they get a discount.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Without the academies Hopper and Kennedy wouldn't even be playing footy, or at least not to such a high standard. I'd rather see them playing the game even if it is to GWS' advantage than not playing at all.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Furn2]

The landscape has changed. GWS, Brisbane and the GC have all lost high end draftees to clubs in traditional football States. When a kid at the Giants sees Boyd or Treloar hit the road at first opportunity they feel there is no need to waste their careers at some AFL experimental outpost. McCarthy didn't even feel his contract needed to be honoured when he sought a ticket back home to Perth. In this environment of player empowerment the clubs in areas of the country where AFL footy has a smaller support base are most definitely at a disadvantage.

Yet Sydney haven't, if the cause was northern state based you would see it in every team.

Richmond have won two finals in a 100 years or so. Dogs and Saints have 2 flags between them. Players have left Melbourne in droves. Clearly being a Victorian based team is a huge disadvantage.

The reasons those players left are complex, varied and subjective.

What's not subjective is on field performance in terms of finishing position and the northern teams are well above average.

 

[Colonial]

Yet Sydney haven't, if the cause was northern state based you would see it in every team.

Richmond have won two finals in a 100 years or so. Dogs and Saints have 2 flags between them. Players have left Melbourne in droves. Clearly being a Victorian based team is a huge disadvantage.

The reasons those players left are complex, varied and subjective.

What's not subjective is on field performance in terms of finishing position and the northern teams are well above average.

The reason sydney hasnt is COLA and they have made every final for the last 10 years.

 

[Furn2]

The reason sydney hasnt is COLA and they have made every final for the last 10 years.

So 10% salary cap is the difference between perennial top 4 and premierships and a basket case ?

Why are hawthorn and Geelong so much more successful that Melbourne and Carlton ?

 

[Colonial]

So 10% salary cap is the difference between perennial top 4 and premierships and a basket case ?

Why are hawthorn and Geelong so much more successful that Melbourne and Carlton ?

Who knows.

But the cola helped the seans keep a ton of interestate players. That and finals.

 

[juddy_Like]

Its also to help with the go home factor

And as the clubs pay for them they get a discount.

The other 14 clubs don't get assistance with the go home factor so I don't see how you should be given discounts to something nobody else have access to.

I also don't see why the AFL don't stump up the cash instead of the clubs paying for it. By all means, keep it branded, promoted, etc as is but the afl should be coffing up.

 

[Colonial]

The other 14 clubs don't get assistance with the go home factor so I don't see how you should be given discounts to something nobody else have access to.

I also don't see why the AFL don't stump up the cash instead of the clubs paying for it. By all means, keep it branded, promoted, etc as is but the afl should be coffing up.

The other clubs have a hell of allot more homegrown players on their lists. Also the game is number 1 in their prospective states.

 

[Kwality]

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Northern clubs have won way more flags and played more finals than on average than any other area. There's no evidence of any disadvantage.

Severe case of paralysis from analysis Furn.

 

[Kwality]

Comparing Father Sons to the Academies is stupid. Acadmies create multiple - gun - kids - every year. Father Sons are random little shots of history that don't have the same training and are far less common.

Theres 2 father sons(3 with Dunkley) this uear compared to around 10 academy kids. And all those Academy kids are top 20 picks compared to the father sons which will be much lower

Apples and oranges

SO you'd get rid of father /son, yeh pull the other leg.

For your edumecation the WA clubs punt $millions into local footy & get nothing from it, the kids go into the draft - its what strong leaders do, build the game, no handout mentality like you Irene.
NSW & Q footy need local heroes.

 

[Kwality]

GC and Gws are start up teams they are too new to judge, Brisbane have won 1/5th of the flags in the last 15 years while making up 1/16th of the competition.

That's 3 times the average, Sydney have won more than twice the average without academies, sure they had some salary advantages but hey performed way above average with those advantages.

Now they've been taken away and replaced by another.

1/5, that paralysis is getting worse.

 

[Kwality]

Get rid of the discount for academy prospects. The advantage of say Sydney with Mills is that you get exclusive access to that kid others don't.

I thought the whole point of the academy is to pump more Northern states kids into the afl system and not to have every academy prospect playing for that team.

Grow footy in NSW & Q is the aim.

 

[pOleK]

The academies help maintain a fair environment amongst the teams up North. Go Home 5 + Aish + Crisp is a prime example for the Lions . Like supporters of northern clubs have mentioned, these players in academies allow us to keep quality players without the risk of losing them.

 

[Schmicko]

The academies help maintain a fair environment amongst the teams up North. Go Home 5 + Aish + Crisp is a prime example for the Lions . Like supporters of northern clubs have mentioned, these players in academies allow us to keep quality players without the risk of losing them.

Winning will allow us to keep players!!! Right now, we've taken a few good steps forward on top of a couple steps back; keep on keeping on!

 

[evo]

I'm just sick of the expansion state cheating.How long is the latest jiggery pokery academy bulltwang going to continue?

Only blackcat would approve of these shenanigans. It never ferkin ends.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I didn't say that that all clubs got the opportunity. What I am saying is that several other clubs (apart from Hawthorn) had the ability to capitalise on the PP system. Some did and some didn't.

Melbourne have had an endless stream of assistance with picks and the payment of coaches and so far its yielded them very little. Clubs like Collingwood, St Kilda and the dogs haven't had such assistance to rebuild and seem to be doing it more successfully.

So much wrong in one post it's hard to know where to start.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Notice how no one has lost as many players to free agency as Hawthorn?
Lost
Franklin
Suckling
Ellis
Young
Murphy

Gained
Frawley
who Melbourne were over compensated for.

Hawks winning premierships and losing free agency.

Why are you taking comments on equalisation as some kind of attack on your club? No one is saying Hawthorn has done anything dodgy just that the system in place is inadequate when looking at the competition from a point of equalisation.

Let's take our clubs out of it to remove the emotion. Look at Geelong and Carlton. Even if they both lost equivalent players to FA of course Carlton will he worse off due to being a worse side, therefore any player they lose will have a more profound negative effect than a club who has won premierships and plated finals over the last decade.

 

[Crawb]

Get rid of the discount for academy prospects. The advantage of say Sydney with Mills is that you get exclusive access to that kid others don't.

I thought the whole point of the academy is to pump more Northern states kids into the afl system and not to have every academy prospect playing for that team.

2 GWS academy kids went to Port last year. Wagner went to North this year at Pick 43. A few more like Chol are a chance of filtering through in the rookie draft this year too.

Academies are working. It was only last year that they had the first high profile pick, as they grow even more will filter throw to other clubs.

GWS and us missed finals and had plenty of extra picks because of players leaving to utilise for bidding - there's the reason they could gain a few decent prospects this draft - it's not because the system makes it impossible for other clubs to get players. If Sydney had another top prospect for example they'd have to let him go or risk going into serious deficit next year which would effect the retention of a solid prospect then instead.

 

[sonnywalters]

I think the system worked very well tonight.
The bottom line?
The clubs most in need of a pick-me-up Melbourne, Carlton, Essendon and Brisbane all walked away happy and stronger. That is is the objective.
Some people might have a whinge about the entertainment aspect - but the main objective of the draft is equalisation and some geographic zoning and that all worked very well tonight.

 

[TheTrademark]

Hawthorn was discussed in this context. We did lose buddy which meant we raisedthe salary of other players

Not just Hawthorn, Geelong as well. A lot of the top 8 including the Swans have been the top 8 for a while and feel it would help to even things out.

 

[cryptor]

Not just Hawthorn, Geelong as well. A lot of the top 8 including the Swans have been the top 8 for a while and feel it would help to even things out.

From the 2015 ladder these are how many consecutive seasons in a row a team finished inside the top 8
Hawthorn 6 (since 2010)
West Coast 1
Fremantle 4 (since 2012)
North Melbourne 2 (since 2014)
Sydney 6 (since 2010)
Adelaide 1
Richmond 3 (since 2013)
Western Bulldogs 1

A lot of the top 8 are actually fresh faces. And the three who've been their the longest are arguably closest to their point of dropping out once their older players retire.