Doping Thread

[RussellEbertHandball]

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The most interesting thing to come out in recent weeks (not especially cycling-related) is the report into West German doping from the 50s. It was state-sanctioned and not done just because the East Germans were doing it - they were running in parallel. And not just Track and Field. Soccer. Cycling. Everything. So far the report is being sat on for 'privacy' reasons - but it will get out.

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Here are a couple of stories on what Wallaby wrote about

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/aug/05/west-germany-doping-athletes-report

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-systematically-doped-athletes_n_3701556.html

4 or 5 years ago blackcat sent me a link to a story where it was revealed Freiburg University were involved in doping back to the early 1950's. It came out when the Freiburg University clinic was tied in with the 2007 Team Telekom/T-Mobile doping case, after somebody dug deep about Freiburg Uni. I have lost the link and story that I have saved, when my hard drive crashed a couple of years ago.


The doctors from Freiburg Uni clinic got off last year. From a cycling news article
Report: German doping investigation of Freiburg doctors ends

News, Monday, August 20, 2012
Some Telekom/T-Mobile doping cases “verifiable”, but no prosecution to ensue

German prosecutors have closed their investigation of two doctors accused of having helping Team Telekom/T-Mobile riders dope, a German news magazine has reported. There was said to be “no sufficient suspicion of concrete violations of criminal provisions.”

Doctors Lothar Heinrich and Andreas Schmid were associated with the Freiburg University Clinic and worked with Team Telekom/T-Mobile. They were accused of supplying the riders with illegal doping products including EPO and growth hormones, and of carrying out blood doping.

However, according to the news magazine Spiegel, the prosecutor ended the more than five-year long investigation on July 17 of this year. Many of the charges had passed the statute of limitations, chief prosecutor Christoph Frank said in his 21-page order. In addition, the riders had agreed to the doping and were not injured by it. In some cases exact dates and locations of the doping could not be established.

There was still, though, a “continuing general suspicion” that the doctors supplied the doping products, and specifically provided EPO to Jan Ullrich, Steffen Wesemann, Rolf Aldag, Erik Zabel, Udo Bölts and Jens Heppner. It was also “verifiable” that Andreas Klöden, Matthias Kessler and Patrik Sinkewitz were involved in blood doping in 2006, Spiegel reports the order as saying.
In May 2007, both doctors confessed to having helped riders dope over the years, although neither of them named names. They were suspended by the German team and ultimately fired from the University Clinic.

Following the first disclosures of the doctors' actions, a number of athletes confessed to having used doping products, including Zabel, Aldag and Bölts.....

Report: German doping investigation of Freiburg doctors ends

 

[Mateyman]

Aren't the riders risking there life travelling at high speeds down mountains.

Going down the mountains is integral to the sport, and much less dangerous than doping.

 

[ablett]

Going down the mountains is integral to the sport, and much less dangerous than doping.

One could argue doping is integral to the sport.

 

[alfy!]

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/n...cheats-to-be-given-lifetime-bans-from-cycling

Tour de France winner Chris Froome wants to see drug cheats in cycling handed lifetime bans.

"I definitely think there need to be harsher penalties for people who break the rules," he told the Mail on Sunday. "I'm not so sure they should be allowed back into the sport at all.

 

[ben_1301]

Lol Menchov. But I thought the doping stopped in ~07??

 

[Papa Juggs]

Porte now follows Contador up the mountains lol

Team Sky have the good juice as usual.

 

[phantom13]

Porte now follows Contador up the mountains lol

Team Sky have the good juice as usual.

No he is Australian, we dont dope.

 

[JordiesSure]

No he is Australian, we dont dope.

Unless they put it in our Milo...

 

[Papa Juggs]

No he is Australian, we dont dope.

Yeah ok whatever.

Cadel was doped right up to. If you don't you get sacked.

It's not that I care too much I just think it's funny that he is suddenly on par with the best.

 

[Vader]

Someone missed the sarcasm.

 

[ben_1301]

I've always had a fascination with doping, I actually can't wait to find out what they are currently using! I love it how a guy like Rasmussen comes out and admits using EPO, cortisone, test and blood transfusions yet tonight we'll see similar performances from these "clean" riders, it's awesome!

 

[RU486]

I've always had a fascination with doping, I actually can't wait to find out what they are currently using! I love it how a guy like Rasmussen comes out and admits using EPO, cortisone, test and blood transfusions yet tonight we'll see similar performances from these "clean" riders, it's awesome!

Insulin

It's 100% undetectable and always will be. Surprised it's taken this long for Sports Scientists/Doctors to realise it's potential in endurance athletes.

 

[Vader]

I've always had a fascination with doping, I actually can't wait to find out what they are currently using! I love it how a guy like Rasmussen comes out and admits using EPO, cortisone, test and blood transfusions yet tonight we'll see similar performances from these "clean" riders, it's awesome!

Not so sure about the bolded bit. Rasmussen flew up those mountains far easier than Contador & Nibali will tonight. Not saying that the current generation aren't using, just that their performances aren't comparable to what he was doing.

 

[Smedts_2]

I've always had a fascination with doping, I actually can't wait to find out what they are currently using! I love it how a guy like Rasmussen comes out and admits using EPO, cortisone, test and blood transfusions yet tonight we'll see similar performances from these "clean" riders, it's awesome!

Marginal Gains.

 

[phantom13]

Insulin

It's 100% undetectable and always will be. Surprised it's taken this long for Sports Scientists/Doctors to realise it's potential in endurance athletes.

I taked a bit about insulin in the thread i started on PED use in everyday life, Insulin is meant to be the ducks, extremely difficult to monitor but get it right and its like drinking from the holy grail.

 

[iluvparis]

Always love the early life cycle of the new gear when a couple of guys have nailed it and absolutely EXPLODE up the mountains ala Lance on Alpe d'Huez in 2001.

Sure its totally unfair but blimey it makes for great couch viewing!!!

 

[Belnakor]

I taked a bit about insulin in the thread i started on PED use in everyday life, Insulin is meant to be the ducks, extremely difficult to monitor but get it right and its like drinking from the holy grail.

if you had a gun doping doctor like say, Ferrari monitoring you then why not.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I taked a bit about insulin in the thread i started on PED use in everyday life, Insulin is meant to be the ducks, extremely difficult to monitor but get it right and its like drinking from the holy grail.

It's probably why 20.6% of the Australian Olympians in Sydney were classified as asthmatics when the general population is somewhere between 5% and 10%.

 

[Vader]

It's probably why 20.6% of the Australian Olympians in Sydney were classified as asthmatics when the general population is somewhere between 5% and 10%.

Isn't insulin associated with diabetes, not asthma?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Isn't insulin associated with diabetes, not asthma?

Shit now I'm not sure what Dr Robin Parisotto - the bloke who headed up the team that invented the urine and blood ON and OFF test for EPO, wrote in his 2006 book Blood Sports - The inside dope on drugs in sport wrote in his book. I will have to double check when I get home.

I think I have mixed that up with what Parisotto wrote as I have read about the new Insulin inhalers over the last few months. See

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mannkind-insulin-approval-20140627-story.html

I will double check but I reckon my last post was wrong and Parisotto wrote about 20.6% of the Australian Olympians being diagnosed as asthmatics and they get an advantage from what ever the drug in the puffers are, but not insulin as I previously posted.

Yes Insulin is a bit like liquid gold. IGF-1 and now IGF-3 are heavily used by athletes.

 

[Vader]

From memory, asthmatics are on ventolin, not insulin.

 

[RU486]

From memory, asthmatics are on ventolin, not insulin.

Asthmatics=Salbutamol

Clenbuterol is even better for asthmatics but unfortunately it's not prescribed in western countries due to it being stigmatized for use by athletes.

 

[monty1104]

Yep, definitely salbutamol.

 

[Belnakor]

It's probably why 20.6% of the Australian Olympians in Sydney were classified as asthmatics when the general population is somewhere between 5% and 10%.

also absolutely rife in the AFL. You actually see players using puffers on the ground / bench during games.

 

[Mateyman]

also absolutely rife in the AFL. You actually see players using puffers on the ground / bench during games.

I don't think asthma puffers can boost a person above a normal person's capacity meaning that they don't give you an advantage if you're a normal person.