Draft Picks - What value are they ?

[Crow-mo]

No it wasn't anything so rich...if my memory is correct it was Sampson, but anyways the vast majority went off into the AFL sunset without much interest.

your memory fails you.

it was:
sampson
Rintoul
Ellen

for pick 3.

after sampson refused, the deal collapsed and they took rintoul in his own. pick 30 or something?

Collingwood ended up getting Ben Wilson and Paul Licuria for the pick.

 

[GoSarge]

your memory fails you.

it was:
sampson
Rintoul
Ellen

for pick 3.

after sampson refused, the deal collapsed and they took rintoul in his own. pick 30 or something?

Collingwood ended up getting Ben Wilson and Paul Licuria for the pick.

I thought Rintoul went to West Coast ?

I also thought it was Mark Orchard and Paul Licuria.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Perhaps for squad balance ? Trade Knights for a top pick and you get to select a quality KPP in return. Our desperate shortage of young KPP talent is addressed and we've traded a guy who is not cemented in our 22. People will obviously argue that Knights is our future etc etc etc but you got to give something to get something.

BEFORE ANYONE STARTS TO RIP IN TO ME, IM NOT SUGGESTING WE DO THIS, IM SAYING ITS AN OPTION/POSSIBILITY.

But we are hardly stacked with young midfield talent either. That would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. If anyone gets traded it would be the mid-age players that are playing good football but don't have as much upside. An example is someone like say Massie. I am not saying he should be traded but I just used him as an example.

Trading the likes of Knights, Reilly, Van Berlo, Maric, Meesen etc.. just really defeats the purpose. These are still kids and most of them are in only their 1st or 2nd year of AFL footy. They have a LOT of upside but are already contributors. Once Knights develops a bit more (his disposal) he will be a super player.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Triggy said we want Gibbs. And that we will trade to try and get him.

Post season will be VERY interesting in 2006.

He said we will try and trade but when Cornesy told him that we would have to give up something or someone really good because he will be a top 5 pick, Trigg's reply was "not neccessarily because it can be a combination of draft picks".

Fat chance of that happening unless we are willing to trade one of our best 22 players plus our first and possibly second round pick but even then I can't see too many clubs coming to the party.

IMHO, at this stage its very unlikely we will get a pick in the top 10, let alone top 3.

 

[Stiffy_18]

You're starting to sound like Passamore - Bill and Triggy have fixed it, Bill and Triggy have fixed it

PS I remember Trigg saying that, too

Quality

 

[macca23]

But we are hardly stacked with young midfield talent either. That would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. If anyone gets traded it would be the mid-age players that are playing good football but don't have as much upside. An example is someone like say Massie. I am not saying he should be traded but I just used him as an example.

Trading the likes of Knights, Reilly, Van Berlo, Maric, Meesen etc.. just really defeats the purpose. These are still kids and most of them are in only their 1st or 2nd year of AFL footy. They have a LOT of upside but are already contributors. Once Knights develops a bit more (his disposal) he will be a super player.

Right on the money Stiffy. no point trading young un's that you can see are going to be good for maybe good draft picks. If we trade anybody it should be someone with only a few years left, not a whole career.

I have enough trust in our recruiting team to think we will pick up some good prospects with our picks this year.

 

[Crow-mo]

I thought Rintoul went to West Coast ?

I also thought it was Mark Orchard and Paul Licuria.

Rintoul came from west coast.

 

[DaveW]

Chad Rintoul went to West Coast and later found his way to Collingwood.

 

[Crow-mo]

Chad Rintoul went to West Coast and later found his way to Collingwood.

my bad. he's from wa, and we drafted him.

 

[GoSarge]

He said we will try and trade but when Cornesy told him that we would have to give up something or someone really good because he will be a top 5 pick, Trigg's reply was "not neccessarily because it can be a combination of draft picks".

Fat chance of that happening unless we are willing to trade one of our best 22 players plus our first and possibly second round pick but even then I can't see too many clubs coming to the party.

IMHO, at this stage its very unlikely we will get a pick in the top 10, let alone top 3.

Agreed, hence the disclaimer

 

[Mego Red]

your memory fails you.

it was:
sampson
Rintoul
Ellen

for pick 3.

after sampson refused, the deal collapsed and they took rintoul in his own. pick 30 or something?

Collingwood ended up getting Ben Wilson and Paul Licuria for the pick.

Ah, the beers drunk while discussing this deal, and being pi$$ed off that it had got away ...

 

[Crow-mo]

Ah, the beers drunk while discussing this deal, and being pi$$ed off that it had got away ...

I still haven't forgiven clay sampson.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

your memory fails you.

it was:
sampson
Rintoul
Ellen

for pick 3.

after sampson refused, the deal collapsed and they took rintoul in his own. pick 30 or something?

Collingwood ended up getting Ben Wilson and Paul Licuria for the pick.

Your right Iam going senile

 

[LukeHodge15]

agree

no way we would take anything except an absolute top pick (perhps top 3 ) for these 2

FFS they are both 1st rounders themself

we would want gibbs or sellar

totally irrelevant where they were picked up. rielly and meeson ?

people have to remember that marc murphy would go around the 15-20 mark in this years draft if he was available. thats how deep it is.

 

[Crow-mo]

totally irrelevant where they were picked up. rielly and meeson ?

people have to remember that marc murphy would go around the 15-20 mark in this years draft if he was available. thats how deep it is.

you have to remember to not believe all the hype you read on the internet. they haven't even played the carnival. this murphy wouldn't go until 15 - 20 rubbish is laughable to anyone with even a passing interest and historical background of the draft knows that.

this draft is no more hyped than 1994, 1997 or 2001 - don't think there is ANYTHING new with this draft class.

 

[NikkiNoo]

I actually think that this draft has more of a blend of what seems to be very good midfielders, KKP and a couple of ruckmen.

Normally these 'super' drafts have a high percentage of midfield options but there seems to be an even spread over the three areas for once that will make it very interesting to see which clubs go for what area.

Victorian clubs (and the media in Victoria) are often seduced that this young player X will be their shining light for a permiership instead of actually recognising that it's the lesser known players from the Rookie list and late in the draft that will help to create a powerful team. This has been recognised by Craig with his empahsis on main improvement having to come from the backbone group. The media is now picking up on this and claiming what fabulous depth we have, when it really is the same players that 2 years ago they were saying we have no depth.

 

[LukeHodge15]

you have to remember to not believe all the hype you read on the internet. they haven't even played the carnival. this murphy wouldn't go until 15 - 20 rubbish is laughable to anyone with even a passing interest and historical background of the draft knows that.

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thats garbage

its called opinion, will have a better understanding in 2 weeks time after watching the championships over the next week.

if u have seen all the kids play then u can have that opinion, if u havent then its just a throw away a line from someone uneducated on this years crop.

 

[Stiffy_18]

thats garbage

its called opinion, will have a better understanding in 2 weeks time after watching the championships over the next week.

if u have seen all the kids play then u can have that opinion, if u havent then its just a throw away a line from someone uneducated on this years crop.

He does have a point. Each one of those drafts has been hyped up as super draft. Especially the 2001 draft where everyone was saying it is the best draft ever. Just have a look at top 10 picks in that draft and see how many average players were selected in top 10 that year. Then have a look at top 20.

2001 draft (considered at the time as the best ever draft) has great players with top 3 picks but after that it hit and miss as much as any other draft.

 

[CrowMagnum]

B: Bassett (trade) Rutten (rookie), Johncock (pick 67)
HB: Massie (trade), Scott Stevens (trade) McLeod (trade),
C: Knights (pick 56) Ricciuto (initial), Mattner (rookie)
HF: Doughty (rookie) McGregor (pick 75), Thompson (trade)
F: Edwards (preseason), Hentschel (preseason), Perrie (pick 49)
FOLL: Biglands (pick 36), Shirley (pick 67 & 56), Goodwin (preseason)
I/C: Skipworth (pick 53), Torney (trade), Maric (pick 40)
EMG: Welsh (trade), Bock (rookie) Hudson (pick 56)

Mock team of misfits and rejects adapted from an old thread but still applicable today. Not a high draft pick among them.

 

[LukeHodge15]

B: Bassett (trade) Rutten (rookie), Johncock (pick 67)
HB: Massie (trade), Scott Stevens (trade) McLeod (trade),
C: Knights (pick 56) Ricciuto (initial), Mattner (rookie)
HF: Doughty (rookie) McGregor (pick 75), Thompson (trade)
F: Edwards (preseason), Hentschel (preseason), Perrie (pick 49)
FOLL: Biglands (pick 36), Shirley (pick 67 & 56), Goodwin (preseason)
I/C: Skipworth (pick 53), Torney (trade), Maric (pick 40)
EMG: Welsh (trade), Bock (rookie) Hudson (pick 56)

Mock team of misfits and rejects adapted from an old thread but still applicable today. Not a high draft pick among them.

no fill in for me the positions players were taken be4 they were traded for

 

[arrowman]

no fill in for me the positions players were taken be4 they were traded for

Fair point but it still wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to what is a pretty impressive example. Give me a recruiting department and player development that can get that sort of value out of the rookie and pre season drafts, over a mediocre recruiting and development program reliant on low ladder finishes or miracle trading, any day.

 

[LukeHodge15]

Fair point but it still wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to what is a pretty impressive example. Give me a recruiting department and player development that can get that sort of value out of the rookie and pre season drafts, over a mediocre recruiting and development program reliant on low ladder finishes or miracle trading, any day.

ill put the numbers in2 the example and ill think u will find it does.
its getting a little bit clouded by using that example also.



west coast, although west coast did bottom out one year when they gained priority selections.



better way to judge a recruiting departments worth would be to work out their last 5 years efforts.

 

[Macca19]

B: Bassett (trade) Rutten (rookie), Johncock (pick 67)
HB: Massie (trade), Scott Stevens (trade) McLeod (trade),
C: Knights (pick 56) Ricciuto (initial), Mattner (rookie)
HF: Doughty (rookie) McGregor (pick 75), Thompson (trade)
F: Edwards (preseason), Hentschel (preseason), Perrie (pick 49)
FOLL: Biglands (pick 36), Shirley (pick 67 & 56), Goodwin (preseason)
I/C: Skipworth (pick 53), Torney (trade), Maric (pick 40)
EMG: Welsh (trade), Bock (rookie) Hudson (pick 56)

Mock team of misfits and rejects adapted from an old thread but still applicable today. Not a high draft pick among them.

Theres actually three first round draft picks and two pre draft selections (Roo and Mcleod) in there. The pre season/rookie picks are very impressive though. Not many other teams have that amount.

 

[Crow-mo]

thats garbage

its called opinion, will have a better understanding in 2 weeks time after watching the championships over the next week.

if u have seen all the kids play then u can have that opinion, if u havent then its just a throw away a line from someone uneducated on this years crop.

actually this just shows your lack of experience, and understanding.

Can you tell me about how this class relates relative to 1994/97/01? because i can tell you 2006 it is no more hyped than it was then. And no, I don't have to have seen all the kids play, that's the point of a draft class. they all converge over a large enough sample - in EVERY sport that has a draft, anywhere in the world.

There is only 1 way this class can be so much different from other similar examples - and that is if evolution has sped up and changed in a 5 year burst. By all accounts this is a very good class, and there have been others - and next time, there will still be the geeks and anoraks pretending that one is different. which it won't be.

But if you're stupid enough to buy the hype, that's fine. would you like a bridge to go with that?

 

[CrowMagnum]

The point is that we didn't get these first round picks through the draft but by alternate means

Kris Massie (pick 7 for Carlton) was traded for Ben Nelson
Scott Thompson (pick 16 for Melbourne) traded for pick 12 but still a bargain
Scott Welsh (pick 17 for North Melb) traded for pick 77
Andrew McLeod (and a draft pick) traded for Chris Groom