List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Monocle]

You don't have to like him as a prospect, but don't act like you've had your head in the sand for the last 6 months.

I had very much hoped that since Rohan O’Brien departed, that we would have moved on from drafting the kids who’s are great athletes to honing in on the kids who are actually great footballers.

 

[Choogler]

I just see a big guy that can run a lot is pretty quick as well, kick ok and drop marks he should take and fumble hand ball receives. That coupled with coaches playing him in several positions in his draft year because they don't know where he actually belongs. He also doesn't have a great vertical leap when we are entering into a phase where the wrestling component of rucking is being phased out. I've spoken on big guys that have caught my eye like Curtin and Schubert. I understand a ruck is a need for us I'm just concerned we are making a bad decision with pick 2. I'm happy to be proven wrong and he just needs some development. I'm just concerned we might be making a mistake taking him and wonder what others see in him. Yeah maybe I was a little crass with my comment.

You just described Bailey Williams

 

[unty11]

You just described Bailey Williams

To be fair to Bailey he has a great vertical leap.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I'm really hoping it'll be any combination of

1+2
Duursma
Patterson
Robey


13/9
Sharp
Schubert
Grlj
Farrow

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I had very much hoped that since Rohan O’Brien moved on that we would have moved on from drafting the kids who’s are great athletes to honing in on the kids who are actually great footballers.

Exactly.

This is where I hope massey and shepherd have had more influence.

 

[stallon]

I actually don't care how good he is, there are other reasons why I would not pick a ruckman who is not great fwd in the top 20.....

Rucks having less and less influence over a teams wins and therefore ladder position.
Look at the best rucks this year.....Grundy, Xerri, Gawn, Cameron, Marshall.....only one of their teams made the finals!!

Tbh id put that down in large part to coincidence. Yes a good ruckman isnt 100% necessary but it still helps.

Tbh this argument youve made here is pretty pro-CDT. If he sucks as a pure ruckman it really doesnt matter, he has tools to influence in other ways like an extra mid. Those rucks like Gawn/Xerri dominate physically and in the hitouts, CDT doesnt.

This will be even less influence if the last touch rule comes into play.
If this is the case, a B. Williams type with Archer supporting is more than enough.

Nah its not, long term its not enough

Added to that, I think CDT is 2 years away from playing AFL, and probably another 2 years before he is impacting games.
It really took Jackson 3-4 years to make an impact.

Nah CDT could play next year as a ruck/fwd, even if its only part time AFL part time WAFL

Get a good midfield first, get them developing.....they protect alot of your developing backs and make a bad fwd line look much better than it is!!

We do have mids developing! Duursma is a mid, Allan is a mid, Harley is a mid, Gross, Hall, Banfield, Evans, etc are all mids
We have more than 1 list need

I personally think Duursma and Robey would work well together with Reid, and then we really just need a coal face accumulator (the other three can do this)

Robey has really only being playing mid for half a season, and his fwd craft means he can kick goals from the mid or rest fwd (McCluggage kicked 4 in the GF!)

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I'm really hoping it'll be any combination of

1+2
Duursma
Patterson
Robey


13/9
Sharp
Schubert
Grlj
Farrow

I really DONT want CDT Robey farrow.

Happy with three of the following, in order of preference.
duursma
Sharp
cumming
Patterson
Shubert
Grjl

 

[Keys]

Using the above top 40 rankings I did a mock draft using the draft order as it currently stands purely to see what impact the club tied draftees would have along with the picks lost through matching

To be clear, I’ve used the rankings as they are from 1-40 without considering individual club needs. Nor have I factored in clubs like Brisbane and Gold Coast live trading picks to generate extra points for matching purposes

So this is purely a rough guide to get a handle on the type of players around our picks at the point they might shift to on the night

1. West Coast- Willem Duursma
2. Gold Coast- Zeke Uwland (Lose 15,18,24 Get 43)
3. Brisbane- Dan Annable (Lose 17,22,42,50 Deficit 122)
4. West Coast- Cooper Duff-Tytler
5. Richmond- Dyson Sharp
6. Richmond- Xavier Taylor
7. Gold Coast- Dylan Patterson (Lose 25,26,33 Get 46)
8. Essendon- Sullivan Robey
9. Essendon- Sam Grlj
10. Melbourne- Sam Cumming
11. Carlton- Harry Dean (Lose 12 Get 52)
12. Melbourne- Aidan Schubert
13. Hawthorn- Lachy Dovaston
14. Carlton- Josh Lindsay
15. GWS- Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves
16. West Coast- Jacob Farrow
17. Western Bulldogs- Mitch Marsh
18. Adelaide- Oskar Taylor
19. Geelong- Ollie Greeves
20. Essendon- Adam Sweid (Lose 21 Get 52)
21. Fremantle- Harley Barker
22. Hawthorn- Louis Emmett
23. Sydney- Max King

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(Lose 27,28 Get 30)
24. North Melbourne- Fred Rodriguez
25. Gold Coast- Beau Addinsall (Lose 39,46,47)
26. North Melbourne- Archie Ludowyke
27. Essendon- Jevan Phillipou
28. Essendon- Blake Thredgold
29. Western Bulldogs- Rory Wright
30. Essendon- Hussein El Achkar (Lose 54 Deficit 356)
31. West Coast- Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier
32. Sydney- Cameron Nairn
33. GWS- Jack Dalton
34. Melbourne- Matt LeRay
35. St Kilda- Kye Fincher (Lose 47 Deficit 136)
36. Richmond- Sam Swadling
37. Collingwood- Zac McCarthy
38. Carlton- Jack Ison (Lose 42)
39. Geelong- Tom Burton
40. Fremantle- Toby Whan (Lose 45)
41. West Coast
42. Sydney
43. Collingwood
44. North Melbourne
45. Adelaide
46. Port Adelaide
47. West Coast
48. Carlton
49. Adelaide
50. Collingwood
51. Carlton
52. North Melbourne
53. West Coast
54. Brisbane
55. Geelong
56. Collingwood
End R3

Pick 13 slides back to 16 and puts us just within reach of Farrow. Moving up to one of Carlton’s picks might give us a look at Lindsay, Dovaston or possibly Schubert/Cumming with their first pick. Our late picks move up a little which could be handy if we use 34 and 41 to trade up

The rankings don’t have any of our club tied players in the top 40 which if that holds gives our recruiters something of a dilemma. Take the players at our R2 picks where they fall instead of leaving space for our NGAs or trade those picks into next year if possible and wait for the bids to come.

Choosing between the likes of Swadling and Curtin potentially over Williams and Banfield. Think I prefer the latter

Both Brisbane and Gold Coast have the ability to match bids even without trading back for extra points

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I had very much hoped that since Rohan O’Brien moved on that we would have moved on from drafting the kids who’s are great athletes to honing in on the kids who are actually great footballers.

Certainly not in disagreeance with you. Unfortunately for the most part however, its looking like where our picks land is offering one or the other rather than a good balance of the two. Ideally with top two picks, you're getting that balance.

 

[chaddy22]

They should have bitten the bullet and delisted a couple that will not be with us when their contracts expire end of 26. Barnett and Bailey are the obvious ones and Jack Williams needs to pull his finger out.. he's been on the list for 4 years, promises a lot and delivers little

We need to be very cautious on how many we delist this year in a poor draft.
We think next year will be a better draft and need enough spots to delist.
Barnett, Bwilliams and Jwilliams are all ruck or ruck forwards so we need to be careful as we are very vulnerable in that area.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Using the above top 40 rankings I did a mock draft using the draft order as it currently stands purely to see what impact the club tied draftees would have along with the picks lost through matching

To be clear, I’ve used the rankings as they are from 1-40 without considering individual club needs. Nor have I factored in clubs like Brisbane and Gold Coast live trading picks to generate extra points for matching purposes

So this is purely a rough guide to get a handle on the type of players around our picks at the point they might shift to on the night

1. West Coast- Willem Duursma
2. Gold Coast- Zeke Uwland (Lose 15,18,24 Get 43)
3. Brisbane- Dan Annable (Lose 17,22,42,50 Deficit 122)
4. West Coast- Cooper Duff-Tytler
5. Richmond- Dyson Sharp
6. Richmond- Xavier Taylor
7. Gold Coast- Dylan Patterson (Lose 25,26,33 Get 46)
8. Essendon- Sullivan Robey
9. Essendon- Sam Grlj
10. Melbourne- Sam Cumming
11. Carlton- Harry Dean (Lose 12 Get 52)
12. Melbourne- Aidan Schubert
13. Hawthorn- Lachy Dovaston
14. Carlton- Josh Lindsay
15. GWS- Noah Hibbins-Hargreaves
16. West Coast- Jacob Farrow
17. Western Bulldogs- Mitch Marsh
18. Adelaide- Oskar Taylor
19. Geelong- Ollie Greeves
20. Essendon- Adam Sweid (Lose 21 Get 52)
21. Fremantle- Harley Barker
22. Hawthorn- Louis Emmett
23. Sydney- Max King (Lose 27,28 Get 30)
24. North Melbourne- Fred Rodriguez
25. Gold Coast- Beau Addinsall (Lose 39,46,47)
26. North Melbourne- Archie Ludowyke
27. Essendon- Jevan Phillipou
28. Essendon- Blake Thredgold
29. Western Bulldogs- Rory Wright
30. Essendon- Hussein El Achkar (Lose 54 Deficit 356)
31. West Coast- Blake Oudshoorn-Bennier
32. Sydney- Cameron Nairn
33. GWS- Jack Dalton
34. Melbourne- Matt LeRay
35. St Kilda- Kye Fincher (Lose 47 Deficit 136)
36. Richmond- Sam Swadling
37. Collingwood- Zac McCarthy
38. Carlton- Jack Ison (Lose 42)
39. Geelong- Tom Burton
40. Fremantle- Toby Whan (Lose 45)
41. West Coast
42. Sydney
43. Collingwood
44. North Melbourne
45. Adelaide
46. Port Adelaide
47. West Coast
48. Carlton
49. Adelaide
50. Collingwood
51. Carlton
52. North Melbourne
53. West Coast
54. Brisbane
55. Geelong
56. Collingwood
End R3

Pick 13 slides back to 16 and puts us just within reach of Farrow. Moving up to one of Carlton’s picks might give us a look at Lindsay, Dovaston or possibly Schubert/Cumming with their first pick. Our late picks move up a little which could be handy if we use 34 and 41 to trade up

The rankings don’t have any of our club tied players in the top 40 which if that holds gives our recruiters something of a dilemma. Take the players at our R2 picks where they fall instead of leaving space for our NGAs or trade those picks into next year if possible and wait for the bids to come.

Choosing between the likes of Swadling and Curtin potentially over Williams and Banfield. Think I prefer the latter

Both Brisbane and Gold Coast have the ability to match bids even without trading back for extra points

Can you imagine.... we are desperate for mids.... and we walk away with a utility, key forward and half back flanker. FMD

 

[ArdentEagle]

I really DONT want CDT Robey farrow.

Happy with three of the following, in order of preference.
duursma
Sharp
cumming
Patterson
Shubert
Grjl

Re Robey and Farrow - I think they'll end up as mids.

* Only going off videos but I like what I see more than with Cumming for example (hard to argue with his stats though). I'm not as taken with him as most others.

Farrow I was worried earlier on that he was a Witherden type but you can see he has midfield nous and I've come around (at pick 13)

 

[TheBudgies]

Violently bullying a disabled kid for the 2 years in the lead up to the draft didn't win him many fans either.

Well I never heard this. No interest if this is true.

 

[txbyhull]

2 + 13 for 5 + 6 is a genuine no brainer, CDT + Dovaston/NHH/Phillipou or 2 of Cumming/Sharp/Robey

I’d be fishing for a F2 in there as well.

 

[bzparkes]

2 + 13 for 5 + 6 is a genuine no brainer, CDT + Dovaston/NHH/Phillipou or 2 of Cumming/Sharp/Robey

Robey won't get past Richmond, IMO.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Listening to Clarke it really does just sound like we have a very specific strategy and positions in mind to fill.

We all know ruck is one of those positions and with the general consensus pick 2 being a ruck it's hard to see us not taking CDT tbh.

Sounds like he might be willing to give up F2's to move up the order as well.

Yeah it’s hard to think we aren’t going to take Duursma and CDT, Farrow well may be in their sights in my opinion too.
Although who knows I could well be wrong with all 3.

 

[Shueygod]

Robey won't get past Richmond, IMO.

Richmond likely take one of those three and X.Taylor.

 

[bzparkes]

Richmond likely take one of those three and X.Taylor.

They probably don't take CDT, unless they consider him too good to pass, because they took 4 talls just last year.

They're unlikely to take Sharp because they took Smillie last year.

I can see Cumming and Robey appealing to them but they appear to have a hard on for Grlj, so I don't see them making any offers for pick 2.

They have a lot of tall defenders already, I personally don't see Taylor having too much appeal after they took Trainor last year.

Personally, I'd expect them to have Robey and Grlj in their sights. It's probably why nobody's approached WCE for any pick swaps(according to Clarke) because both Essendon and Richmond can take the players they want simply by doing nothing. It just depends on if Essendon get FOMO for Duursma but personally, I doubt they will be prepared to make an offer we can't say no to.

If we pass on CDT, he makes it through to Essendon and if we take Sharp, they'll probably be very happy to take Cumming.

 

[Shueygod]

They probably don't take CDT, unless they consider him too good to pass, because they took 4 talls just last year.

They're unlikely to take Sharp because they took Smillie last year.

I can see Cumming and Robey appealing to them but they appear to have a hard on for Grlj, so I don't see them making any offers for pick 2.

They have a lot of tall defenders already, I personally don't see Taylor having too much appeal after they took Trainor last year.

Personally, I'd expect them to have Robey and Grlj in their sights. It's probably why nobody's approached WCE for any pick swaps(according to Clarke) because both Essendon and Richmond can take the players they want simply by doing nothing. It just depends on if Essendon get FOMO for Duursma but personally, I doubt they will be prepared to make an offer we can't say no to.

If we pass on CDT, he makes it through to Essendon and if we take Sharp, they'll probably be very happy to take Cumming.

Idk where you’ve gotten mixed up, Essendon have clearly contacted us to move up, they’ve said as much.

If we trade 2 and 13 for 5 and 6 I expect the draft to be.

1. Duursma
2. CDT
3. Sharp/Cumming/Robey
4. X.Taylor/Grilj

Which would leave 2 of Sharp/Cumming/Robey for us to grab.

 

[archiemoses]

Carlton supporter coming in peace. How would you feel about this trade:

Carlton give: Pick 9, Pick 11, Sydney 2026 F1, Carlton 2027 F3
West Coast Give: Pick 13, 41, 53, West Coast 2026 F1

Gives you Picks 1, 2, 9, 11, 34 going into the draft instead of a bunch of backend picks that you won't be able to use (after you've filled out your 5 slots). Gives us enough to match our F/S this year, our NGA this year, and makes it easier for us to match our Top 3 F/S next year. The points roughly even out, if you come 16th next year and Sydney comes 3rd.

Probably still in Carlton's favour, but something of this general shape...thoughts?

Comes in peace to offer us junk for a top 2 2026 pick

 

[Notmuchofanexpert]

This is based on the Essendon 5,6 + F2 for our 2,13 + F3.
Hope I have got the list numbers/changes right?

IN	OUT
Duursma- Pick #1	Petch
Sharp/Robey - Pick #5	Chesser
Dovaston - Pick #6	Cripps
Curtin - Pick #34	Allen
Williams - Match	Ryan
Banfield - Match	Sheed
Starcevich - Trade	Gov
Young - Trade	Jamieson
Dewar - Promoted to main list	Hunt
Robertson*	Rawlinson*
Clohesy/Blamires*	Additional R*
Evans*	Additional R*
McCarthy* (Ex LTI)	Additional R*
Newton* (Ex LTI)	Additional R*

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

His athleticism and cleanliness below his knee at that size could be used all over the ground. He’s not the finished product yet. I might have a different opinion if the rest of the cohort were banging the door down but I’m largely underwhelmed with the top ten.

His overhead marking isn’t great, but all he needs is to be competitive and run all day and he’ll be useful.

So you want to get CDT with pick 2 because he runs all day and is useful!!!

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Choosing between the likes of Swadling and Curtin potentially over Williams and Banfield. Think I prefer the latter

Swadling is a poor man's David Myers. Just don't see why anyone would have him top 50.

Can you imagine.... we are desperate for mids.... and we walk away with a utility, key forward and half back flanker. FMD

Wouldn't be the first draft we'd talked about midfield and done nothing to fix it.

That was one thing but it’s far more than that. He has the talent and size so I would assume it’s either attitude or he couldn’t build a tank.

No he doesn't. If he had talent the tolerance for his attitude and behaviour would be much higher. He's just far too slow and too small to play at AFL level and I called it at the time.

 

[Lach72]

Swadling is a poor man's David Myers. Just don't see why anyone would have him too 50.


Wouldn't be the first draft we'd talked about midfield and don't nothing to fix it.


No he doesn't. If he had talent the tolerance for his attitude and behaviour would be much higher.

Ha yes on Swadling. I couldn’t work out what the fuss is about

 

[Eastern Rangers]

So you want to get CDT with pick 2 because he runs all day and in useful!!!

He can bring the ball to ground to be outcompeted by an actual small.