List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[1990crow]

The club has spoke to all players ranged pick 3 to probably pick 20

We have a lot of state based recruiters also interviewing ......did he say who interviewed him ?

I am not dogmatic in player opinions, but they're well considered in line with talent and needs ......i don't like many sway in the breeze from player to player as the media spotlight focusses on the next player

What's happened to the love for Mathieson, Balic .....gone cold?, or just no firm conviction because another player has his turn in the media spotlight

And God Forbid that any AFL club throws any red herrings around pre draft ........we're a club that has always played our cards close to our chest ......the media has very little idea of our draft or trading plans

You don't give some posters in here enough credit regarding talent ID. Most here know our list needs, but sometimes best available takes over and you trade for needs next year; Neale or Parker.

 

[1990crow]

So who were all the posters defending Hartigan and lambasting me because i said he's hopeless

So you want to use the 1st Round Picks ....not on talent, not on list need, but because there's a media report and it sounds a good idea

Show me your posts or anyone talking about drafting Collins a week ago ......wasn't it a good idea a week ago ? ....or just not topical

Go and check my posts from two, three or four weeks ago. I forget. But I said Collins would be a good get before this "spotlight" you speak of.
I think players like Mathieson, Balic and Burton may end up ok but there are going to be better available.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm still willing to think Lever will end up in the midfield. His legs are skinny and he has some sweet evasive skills. If we did take Collins and I think it is a BIG if, what is wrong with Collins, Talia and Hartigan as your three tall defenders? Lots of teams now have 2 forwards of 198-202 cms range. Still room for three small quick defenders to run the ball out of the back half.

You don't have 3 KPD stoppers on the list ......Lever will never go into the midfield, that's just fanciful thinking .....pre-draft speculation by "so called experts"

Let me ask a question .....if Lever was considered a top 5 selection, do you think it's reasonable those clubs in the top 5 would have thought Lever to be a KPD?

The 18-year-old is back at full fitness, and earlier this month tested at the NAB AFL Draft Combine, running 3.19 in the 20-metre sprint and 10:32 for the three-kilometre time trial.

He will start pre-season at an AFL club fit and hungry to get going.

The fact clubs have viewed Lever as one of the most impressive players this season – without suiting up for a game – says much about his character.

Lever is a strong, commanding leader who most likely would have captained the AIS-AFL Academy, Cannons and Vic Metro if not for the knee injury. He interviews well, understands his unique position, and clubs like him.

His footy matches up, too. At 193cm, some see him as the best tall defender available and he's a mobile, tough, courageous and strong option.

He enjoys the physical side of the game, and is combative in the air and on the ground. That might be his biggest strength: Lever is competitive and absolutely hates being beaten.

The fact he hasn't played since 2013 means clubs have to back what they saw that season. They would obviously have liked to have seen Lever progress this year, with the likelihood he would have had been given a shot in the midfield.

He's not super quick, but it would simply be his injury and absence that will have clubs wondering if there's some inherent risk in reading out Lever's name on the Gold Coast.

Lever is a bit taller than Hawk Ben Stratton, and likes to run the ball out of his defensive 50 in a similar manner.
When he's up and going, it's not unusual to see Lever run full pelt at a contest, take the spilled ball and then run off with it and kick long.

It certainly wouldn't surprise if he's a top-five selection. If he doesn't get taken then, there are a number of other clubs in the next 10 picks who really like him.

There aren't many clubs who wouldn't want to bring in someone like Lever. Despite his injury layoff, he will be raring to go by the start of pre-season and will step into a club comfortably. He's the type of person and player who shapes those around him.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You don't give some posters in here enough credit regarding talent ID. Most here know our list needs, but sometimes best available takes over and you trade for needs next year; Neale or Parker.

You believe all that crap don't you?

 

[hendo8888]

Collins could well fill a need, but it's not a particularly high priority need.

Our #1 need right now is inside midfielders, preferably with some "outside" ability as well, given that we've lost our #1 clearance winner and our #2 is 10 months away from retirement. We still have adequate quantity when it comes to our inside mids, but we are rapidly approaching the point where we will have a distinct lack of quality. We're currently one of the best teams in the competition when it comes to winning the contested ball - that won't continue if Dangerfield & Thompson aren't replaced by some high quality extractors.

Not saying that the club won't draft Collins.. just that a KPD should not be a high priority for us (in my opinion).

I guess, for me, our biggest weakness in our roster in the short term is at key back. Hartigan is an ok at best key back, and Lever doesn't have the body type of frame at this point in his career to compete with big defenders. Talia isn't bullet proof. Collins already has the build to play AFL if needed. Long term, as long as Talia is healthy, we're ok, but if he isn't, are we happy with a key back line-up of Hartigan, Lever and Cheney? I'm not. Just like O'Brien not getting a game behind Jacobs, who 100% is our best ruck, is still important to have, so is having a key back ready to go. I want that key back to be Hartigan, I don't want him to be a default pick, due to lack of options. Hartigan has to continue to develop to keep his spot.
Inside mid, we lose Danger, which obviously hurts, but we gain Crouch. Thompson is something that will also hurt in the coming years. The good thing is that 3 of our best players can play inside mid, being Brad Crouch, Sloane and Douglas. Matt Crouch is also effectively a like for like direct replacement for Thompson. The Crouch brothers really do paper over the 2 cracks that are opening in that role. We also have CEY and Grigg waiting in the wings who have shown an aptitude (i personally haven't seen it with Grigg, but I'm led to believe that's the case) and Gore coming in.
That said, if we pick an inside mid, it fills a need, so does Collins, if we pick him. Our best 22 being healthy, both are equally needed/not needed. But just like we lack depth due to recent/pending departures at inside mid, we also lack depth at key back.
We also lack outside mids. We addressed that to an extent during the trade period, but the fact that Mackay effectively got a game all year because we severely lacked other options suggests that if we pick an AhChee or Milera, they also fill a need.
And then at Key forward. Walker and Jenkins have established themselves as the top options. But if either get injured, we have no fall back there either. McGovern? Dear? O'Brien? Greenwood? All are iffy at best at this point. So if we pick a key forward, that also fills a need.
We're in a position, with our roster, that our best 22 currently is filled quite strongly across the park, but in nearly every area, there's a certain extent of need. Be that talent or depth. Best available really is a legitimate mindset, given the players to choose from. I personally don't like what I see from Mathieson at all, Balic looks ok, but I wouldn't pick at 9, Hibberd is a reach. So, do we really need to prioritise inside mid, when there's other areas of need where the talent available can be argued is stronger?
I'd suggest we don't have a red flag area of need anywhere.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Go and check my posts from two, three or four weeks ago. I forget. But I said Collins would be a good get before this "spotlight" you speak of.
I think players like Mathieson, Balic and Burton may end up ok but there are going to be better available.

Ok put your draft choices for #9 and #13 and lets see

 

[Danger in Texas]

Yeah I'm warming to Collins. Really does remind me of Rutten. Great stopping back with a bit of an offensive game too. Can play from day 1. If we get him and Milera I'd be stoked. Also think that if we draft Collins, we'll want to develop Lever into a 3rd, rebounding, marking tall - our version of Francis, except less versatile.

2017/18 Team:
B: Brown, Collins, Lever
HB: Laird, Talia, Smith
C: Milera, Sloane, Knight
HF: Menzel, Walker, Lynch
F: Betts, Jenkins, Cameron
R: Jacobs, BCrouch, MCrouch

 

[Bicks]

Aaron Francis
Kieran Collins
Harry McKay
Darcy Tucker
Rhys Mathieson
Ryan Clarke
Clayton Oliver
Callum Ah Chee
Mitchell Hibberd
Harley Balic

Would also be putting in a bid on Brisbane Academy youngster Eric Hipwood who IMO is the 3rd best tall in this draft after Weitering and Schache........a better prospect than Harrison McKay IMO.

Here you go Wayne's-World

posted on the 10th November...does that qualify for in the last 7 days??

 

[WaynesWorld19]

i like collins but id much rather a match winner @13 someone like burton if his leg is ok or Ahchee type player.

Correct ...Burton, Bonner even, .... bid on Himmelberg,

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Here you go Wayne's-World

posted on the 10th November...does that qualify for in the last 7 days??

What the ....is that ?
You named 10 players ......why not name 15 players Bicks, sure can't be wrong with that number of entries

 

[Bicks]

You don't have 3 KPD stoppers on the list ......Lever will never go into the midfield, that's just fanciful thinking .....pre-draft speculation by "so called experts"

Let me ask a question .....if Lever was considered a top 5 selection, do you think it's reasonable those clubs in the top 5 would have thought Lever to be a KPD?

Hmmm, the player profile you've chosen to emphasise your point kind of shoots your KPD argument with Lever in the foot....

Plays like :

Lever is a bit taller than Hawk Ben Stratton, and likes to run the ball out of his defensive 50 in a similar manner.
When he's up and going, it's not unusual to see Lever run full pelt at a contest, take the spilled ball and then run off with it and kick long.

 

[Bicks]

What the ....is that ?
You named 10 players ......why not name 15 players Bicks, sure can't be wrong with that number of entries

I was asked to put them up in MY preferences, that is the list 1 through 10....

 

[hendo8888]

Hmmm, the player profile you've chosen to emphasise your point kind of shoots your KPD argument with Lever in the foot....

Ben Stratton is exhibit A of what I see Lever being long term.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hmmm, the player profile you've chosen to emphasise your point kind of shoots your KPD argument with Lever in the foot....

Does Bock ring any bells ? ......or is your idea of a KPD that he is purely a stopper and not allowed to create from CHB

FFS why do you think the club is preferring to play Talia at FB for Gods sake

 

[hey shorty]

Ben Stratton is exhibit A of what I see Lever being long term.

A knob who dobs a mate into a former coach ??

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I was asked to put them up in MY preferences, that is the list 1 through 10....

Joke .....no rhyme or reason just covered of every possibility

You wonder why its hard to take you seriously

 

[FAITH]

tucker seems like a good lad and player but we can do better at 13 imo.

what time is the afl phantom on tonight?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Ben Stratton is exhibit A of what I see Lever being long term.

More in the vein of Peter Knights

 

[WaynesWorld19]

tucker seems like a good lad and player but we can do better at 13 imo.

what time is the afl phantom on tonight?

what AFL Phantom? .....and where?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Bicks ....why don't you have a go at the first 13 picks excluding academy players ....along with your rationale ?? ......cmon

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Its looking like if collins is there at 13 we will take him.

I'd be happy with that outcome. If we could get milera and Collins if be chuffed.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I was asked to put them up in MY preferences, that is the list 1 through 10....

So if i understand your preferences Bicks
Aaron Francis
Kieran Collins
Harry McKay
Darcy Tucker
Rhys Mathieson
Ryan Clarke
Clayton Oliver
Callum Ah Chee
Mitchell Hibberd
Harley Balic

You want Francis at 9 and Collins at #13 in preference and BEFOREcir McKay, & Oliver ?

And under no circumstances do you want us to consider Burton or Bonner ? ......Irrespective of whether Burton passes his medical?

 

[Bicks]

Bicks ....why don't you have a go at the first 13 picks excluding academy players ....along with your rationale ?? ......cmon

I don't give two shits who other clubs pick and don't profess to know who their likely to take, I have one interest, that is the AFC if that's not already patently obvious to you....

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't give two shits who other clubs pick and don't profess to know who their likely to take, I have one interest, that is the AFC if that's not already patently obvious to you....

Exactly what i thought ......but don't clubs take best available ? .....if you know the draftees just rank them in talent .....pick any Phantom you care to plagiarise

 

[hendo8888]

So if i understand your preferences Bicks
Aaron Francis
Kieran Collins
Harry McKay
Darcy Tucker
Rhys Mathieson
Ryan Clarke
Clayton Oliver
Callum Ah Chee
Mitchell Hibberd
Harley Balic

You want Francis at 9 and Collins at #13 in preference and BEFOREcir McKay, & Oliver ?

And under no circumstances do you want us to consider Burton or Bonner ? ......Irrespective of whether Burton passes his medical?

Guy getting angry that we are considering Collins is angry because it's suggested we shouldn't be considering Bonner, when we have Smith, Laird, Seedsman, Brown, Jaensch, Wigg. Or Burton, when we have Walker, Jenkins, Lynch and Menzel. Something about black kettles.
Fact of the matter is, Jenkins, Lynch and Menzel are a lot more locked into the Best 22 than Hartigan/Cheney/Lever as second tall are.