List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Alex99]

Burton's dad Craig played a lot of games for North & Westies and even worked/coached at the club ? another F/Son opportunity not qualified ?

Is he still employed by the club?

How many games did he play for North Adelaide?

 

[Elite Crow]

We have taken two big recent punts on injury, Menzel and Lever...
I think it is time to play safe at 9 and 13... Best available at both picks and give Burton a miss for mine.
Not overly fussed what position as long as they can kick a ball..
We are in a situation where we don't desperately need a player in a certain position but we could also use an extra player in every position

There is always a risk though, risk they might not work out or risk of drafting someone from interstate that they want to go home.

Of recent times has anyone who would have gone higher but for a bad injury failed? The three that spring to mind are Selwood, Trengove and Lever(touch wood). Did Stringer also have a bad injury?

 

[Draft Bored]

Wayne's-World

 

[knobby]

Is he still employed by the club?

How many games did he play for North Adelaide?

nah not anymore, I seem to remember it was something like Corporate Account Management or something like that, no idea how many games, North supporters ??

 

[Alex99]

nah not anymore, I seem to remember it was something like Corporate Account Management or something like that, no idea how many games, North supporters ??

I found this.

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2006-08-28/craig-burton

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Yea new qualification rules state the father needs to be at least a 4 time bnf and have won at least 1 Magarey medal

Don't forget a Jack Oatey medal is also required for SANFL players to qualify.

 

[Draft Bored]

Paige Cardona's Phantom Draft (version 2 - post trade order)

http://footyprophet.com/paiges-afl-phantom-draft-edition-two/

13 (adjusted): Milera
17 (adjusted): Tucker

 

[1990crow]

Paige Cardona's Phantom Draft (version 2 - post trade order)

http://footyprophet.com/paiges-afl-phantom-draft-edition-two/

13 (adjusted): Milera
17 (adjusted): Tucker

You'd take that. Would obviously rather someone better slipped through to 9(13) but both these guys will be good. Milera's best footy will probably be a wing playing like Jetta and Brad Hill.

 

[Danger Zone]

Francis and Oliver would be my ideal scenario. If you look at our forward line from this year, you will notice that none of them were first-rounders. Would much rather use these early picks for talented mids/utilities. McKay a big pass from me and not sold on Hibberd.

 

[1990crow]

Francis and Oliver would be my ideal scenario. If you look at our forward line from this year, you will notice that none of them were first-rounders. Would much rather use these early picks for talented mids/utilities. McKay a big pass from me and not sold on Hibberd.

These two could both be best 22 by the end of next year for whoever they get picked up by.

 

[BRL121]

If not, we'll find you one.

It's good to see that you guys have embraced my suggestion of some weeks ago!

 

[Pdub]

I don't think any clubs in the top 10 will bid for academy players. Every club says "we expected him to be gone by our pick, we had him rated in the top 5", clubs never say, "we had hoped to get Fyfe with our first pick but he was gone so we took Pdub ". Clubs won't want to say "We pick Mills!...Sydney's taking mills? OK in that case we will settle for Pdub". So I think the top 10 picks, perhaps even the top 15 clubs will just pick the player they have access to, once those academy kids become an absolute bargain at the pick, clubs will bid for them.

I also think the teams that traded with the Academy clubs for their first round picks agreed not to make bids with their picks.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Francis and Oliver would be my ideal scenario. If you look at our forward line from this year, you will notice that none of them were first-rounders. Would much rather use these early picks for talented mids/utilities. McKay a big pass from me and not sold on Hibberd.

I'm with you though haven't given up on Burton also if they are satisfied the risk is worth taking medically.

If Francis slid that far I'll cry rivers of joy but it won't happen.

Milera is a possibility. Not sure I'm that keen to spend such a high pick on an outside type but at least his highlight show he can dish out and take a tackle and doesn't shy away from physicality despite suiting an outside game (unlike a couple of unmentionable players on our list atm).

 

[BRL121]

I also think the teams that traded with the Academy clubs for their first round picks agreed not to make bids with their picks.

Draft tampering?

 

[rezagun]

Surely Carlton need to take a forward at some point though, can't be relying on Liam Jones for goals.

True. Silvagni loves defenders though..

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I don't think any clubs in the top 10 will bid for academy players. Every club says "we expected him to be gone by our pick, we had him rated in the top 5", clubs never say, "we had hoped to get Fyfe with our first pick but he was gone so we took Pdub ". Clubs won't want to say "We pick Mills!...Sydney's taking mills? OK in that case we will settle for Pdub". So I think the top 10 picks, perhaps even the top 15 clubs will just pick the player they have access to, once those academy kids become an absolute bargain at the pick, clubs will bid for them.

I also think the teams that traded with the Academy clubs for their first round picks agreed not to make bids with their picks.

Disagree

Most clubs hate the academies and the best way to make it hard for the team's with academies is to bid early for the academy players

I expect melb to bid their pick 3 for mills just as they did for heeney last year

 

[Pdub]

Draft tampering?

I'd say it happens every year, I don't think we would have swapped with Geelong last year without knowing who they were taking. You don't have to tell them not to bid, just "choose" to swap with a team who "happens" to have no interest in the players at your academy, perhaps you have to ask them a few times if they are interested in taking player X, keep asking until they give you the answer you were hoping for, then decide to do the trade.

Adelaide: "Hi Geelong, we're considering downgrading our first pick... coincidently what are your thoughts on Jake Lever, would you take him with your first?"
Geelong: "yeah he looks good, we like him"
Adelaide: "OK see you tomorrow"

24 hours later

Adelaide: "Hi Geelong, we're considering downgrading our first pick... coincidently what are your thoughts on Jake Lever, would you take him with your first?"
Geelong: "yeah he looks good, we love him at 14, we told you yesterday"
Adelaide: "OK see you tomorrow"

24 hours later

Adelaide: "Hi Geelong, we're considering downgrading our first pick... coincidently what are your thoughts on Jake Lever, would you take him with your first?"
Geelong: "nah, not interested"
Adelaide: "Oh really? are you interested in swapping 14 for 10?"

 

[Pdub]

Disagree

Most clubs hate the academies and the best way to make it hard for the team's with academies is to bid early for the academy players

I expect melb to bid their pick 3 for mills just as they did for heeney last year

All clubs are getting Indigenous Academies and they also have Father/son's. They will approach it like, we won't screw you, so don't screw us when it's our turn. Melbourne know Sydney will be able to match the Mills bid at 3 so matching will just make their kid pick 4 and he will join the club knowing that he wasn't their preference.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The best way to look at it I think is to forget about picks 9 and 13 and break it down to KP and midfielders

KP order preference ( ruling out schache and weitering )
H McKay
Weidemman
Burton
Collins

Midfield / utility preference

Francis - likely gone
Parish - likely gone

Milera
Tucker
Oliver
Hibberd
Balic
Gresham
AhChee

They usually v well aware of which club takes which players so at 9 take the preference who won't be there at 13.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I don't think any clubs in the top 10 will bid for academy players. Every club says "we expected him to be gone by our pick, we had him rated in the top 5", clubs never say, "we had hoped to get Fyfe with our first pick but he was gone so we took Pdub ". Clubs won't want to say "We pick Mills!...Sydney's taking mills? OK in that case we will settle for Pdub". So I think the top 10 picks, perhaps even the top 15 clubs will just pick the player they have access to, once those academy kids become an absolute bargain at the pick, clubs will bid for them.

I also think the teams that traded with the Academy clubs for their first round picks agreed not to make bids with their picks.

There is a tactic in bidding on academy kids though that you're missing. Adelaide will absolutely bid on hopper at pick 9 if no one has bid before us. This forces GWS to use pick 10 on him thereby removing pick 10 as a live pick essentially elevating our pick 13 to pick 12. If no one bids on hopper in the top 10, then GWS will not use 10 on hopper but rather pick another non-academy player, then use their lower picks to get the points together for hopper. This means out pick 13 remains where it is.

 

[dogs105]

I don't think any clubs in the top 10 will bid for academy players. Every club says "we expected him to be gone by our pick, we had him rated in the top 5", clubs never say, "we had hoped to get Fyfe with our first pick but he was gone so we took Pdub ". Clubs won't want to say "We pick Mills!...Sydney's taking mills? OK in that case we will settle for Pdub". So I think the top 10 picks, perhaps even the top 15 clubs will just pick the player they have access to, once those academy kids become an absolute bargain at the pick, clubs will bid for them.

I also think the teams that traded with the Academy clubs for their first round picks agreed not to make bids with their picks.

If we pick up Pdub, I'll be delighted.

 

[Bicks]

A couple more player profiles up on the AFL draft hub...Callum Ah Chee and Darcy Parish..
Interesting to read that Ah Chee like Tucker also had a very bad ankle injury that saw them both on the side lines for 6 months last year and both missed a fair chunk of training. Maybe these kids are being pushed a bit too hard??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...meet-the-jetpowered-highflying-callum-ah-chee

Why they should pick him

Ah Chee is among the most skillful players in the draft, boasting brilliant use by foot. He can pinpoint short passes on both sides of his body, kicks accurately at goal and can make space for teammates by clever passing.

The 18-year-old separates himself from some of his fellow draft hopefuls with his aerial exploits. Despite being only 182cm, Ah Chee has a big leap on him that gives him another way to get into the game. That was evident earlier in the year at the MCG, with his huge mark in the goalsquare playing for the NAB AFL Academy.

Ah Chee's performance that day was his best of the season – he gathered 22 disposals, kicked two goals and won the medal as the best player on the ground. It was also the first sign, before his run of form for South Fremantle's senior team, that Ah Chee lifts when the standard does.

His speed (he has run a 2.88-second 20m sprint) and agility are right at the top end, and as he builds up his body he should be able to influence games on a more consistent basis. Ah Chee is also a humble professional who some clubs rate as one of the best characters in the draft.

The Query

The question on Ah Chee – and he has been asked it plenty by clubs throughout the year – is around why he wasn't able to produce consistent form this season. He averaged 14 disposals in the under-18 championships, and there were a handful of games where he couldn't get involved at all.

His endurance will need to lift at the next level, but a full AFL pre-season should go a long way to improving his aerobic base.

It should be remembered Ah Chee had a serious ankle injury last year that ruled him out for more than six months and took a long time to get right. With some extra time in the gym he will also be able to add to his frame and win more of the inside ball.

 

[Bicks]

Darcy Parish

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...ne-of-the-best-mids-in-the-draft-darcy-parish

Why they should pick him

There isn't a midfielder who takes the game forward like Parish. He is quick thinking and so fast to make a decision that he is always on the move and brings the flow of the contest with him. Parish's foot skills are deft and reliable on both sides, and he has more class than most of the prospects in the upper echelon.

Last year as a bottom-ager, Parish played mostly as a half-back flanker for the Falcons, using his game sense and speed to set up the play. This year he moved into a permanent midfield role and grew his game enormously, having an impressive mix of inside and outside skills.

Parish fights for the ball at the stoppages, is clean enough to dart away from them and hit a target, and then go and do it again. He's tough and doesn't let his smaller frame stop him from fighting for the ball. The 18-year-old averaged 28 disposals a game at TAC Cup level (16 contested and 12 uncontested), plus seven clearances and five inside-50 entries, showing his all-round quality.

Towards the end of the season Parish also started hitting the scoreboard more and marking overhead, including a clutch grab late in the Falcons' qualifying final loss to North Ballarat. Parish tends to step up when the game gets hot.

The Query

Perhaps the only question surrounding Parish is his size. At 181cm and 74kg he is not a big midfielder at a time when clubs become more and more fond of the taller midfield options. It means he will need to find other ways to get the ball at the next level, but his ability to work hard and play smart means this won't be much of an issue.

Parish completed testing at this month's NAB AFL Draft Combine without blowing anyone away with outstanding results, but that isn't too much of a concern. His pace (3.07 seconds over the 20-metre sprint) and endurance (level 13.8 beep test) is solid but Parish is more a footballer than an athlete. That's pretty clear when watching him play

 

[Jeffcrowe]

A couple more player profiles up on the AFL draft hub...Callum Ah Chee and Darcy Parish..
Interesting to read that Ah Chee like Tucker also had a very bad ankle injury that saw them both on the side lines for 6 months last year and both missed a fair chunk of training. Maybe these kids are being pushed a bit too hard??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...meet-the-jetpowered-highflying-callum-ah-chee

Why they should pick him


The Query

The thing I like about AhChee is the higher the level the better he plays

Milera has proven that as well with his sanfl finals series

Hard to judge some of the Vic kids because they don't always get that opportunity

 

[Pugsley]

I'd say it happens every year, I don't think we would have swapped with Geelong last year without knowing who they were taking. You don't have to tell them not to bid, just "choose" to swap with a team who "happens" to have no interest in the players at your academy, perhaps you have to ask them a few times if they are interested in taking player X, keep asking until they give you the answer you were hoping for, then decide to do the trade.

Adelaide: "Hi Geelong, we're considering downgrading our first pick... coincidently what are your thoughts on Jake Lever, would you take him with your first?"
Geelong: "yeah he looks good, we like him"
Adelaide: "OK see you tomorrow"

24 hours later

Adelaide: "Hi Geelong, we're considering downgrading our first pick... coincidently what are your thoughts on Jake Lever, would you take him with your first?"
Geelong: "yeah he looks good, we love him at 14, we told you yesterday"
Adelaide: "OK see you tomorrow"

24 hours later

Adelaide: "Hi Geelong, we're considering downgrading our first pick... coincidently what are your thoughts on Jake Lever, would you take him with your first?"
Geelong: "nah, not interested"
Adelaide: "Oh really? are you interested in swapping 14 for 10?"