List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Bring back Bas]

Carlton may be pretty keen on McKay but maybe not quite #8 keen.

There may be some interesting dynamic to come about at around our selections.

Surely Carlton would want a KPF from this draft? If they do want one outside of pick 1 it will have to be H.McKay at 8. I can't see him getting past Adelaide at pick 9 and after that there probably isn't another one worst taking.

I'm hoping for this:

1 Carlton - Weitering (KPD)
2 Brisbane - Schache (KPF)
3 Melbourne - Parish (MID)
4 Essendon - Weideman (KPF)
5 Essendon - Mathieson (MID)
6 Gold Coast - Milera (Outside Run)
7 Melbourne - Curnow (KPF)
8 Carlton - H McKay (KPF)
9 Adelaide - Francis (UTIL)
10 GWS - Used to pay for academy players
11 Carlton - Balic (F/MID)
12 Richmond - Ah Chee (F)
13 Adelaide - Tucker/Collins/Bonner/Burton/B McKay

The thinking being that Melbourne desperately wanted 3 - suggests Parish, with a KPF picked second to go with Hogan. Essendon will take a tall and a mid I reckon. I'm hoping that Francis being a third tall defender utility type means they go with Mathieson. Hoping Gold Coast select Milera (they said they traded down to 6 because the player they wanted would still be there - would suggest that Francis isn't on their radar). Carlton are meant to be right into the McKay twins so I think it makes sense to get their bookends now in Weitering and McKay.

I also think the talls are worth slightly more this year as next years draft is meant to have more mids. Hoping this means Francis falls.

Having said all of this I still think Essendon will pick him

I think you have done a pretty good job of the top 10 there. The top 4 are a lock in my opinion, as are Curnow at 7 and H.McKay at 8 if they are still available.

The interesting ones are Essendon and GCS at picks 5 and 6. Essendon have said that they want a KPF and midfield speed in this draft which makes me think that they might take Milera at 5. That would then open it up for GCS to really through a spanner in the works. I have heard that they might be interested in Collins (hence the move back from 3 to 6) - hopefully this is the case as it would give Francis a serious chance of sliding to us at pick 9. From there it could go in any direction but we would end up with at least one of Mathieson, Balic or Tucker to choose from.

 

[earlsta]

Would be very happy with Francis, our backline would be scary until about 2026.
Could seriously build a powerhouse backline for a very long time here.

 

[Glenny83]

Gold Coast have delisted Daniel Gorringe. 23 years old ruckman, played 22 games, very good athlete for his size, football ability questionable. Rookie draft him?

No, but what would I know.

 

[dylan123]

I hope if we draft McKay it means people then learn how to spell Mackay although I know it just means we'll get about 4 different versions of spelling for the two guys.

 

[whattagun07]

Harry McKay
200cm/85kg
24/12/97
Key forward
Vic Country/Gippsland Power
Made people take notice with a four-goal haul early in the TAC Cup season and has continued to generate interest in club ranks. A left-footer with pace, McKay also has the athleticism to push onto a wing where he can use his natural running ability. He keeps showing exciting snippets – a good mark on the lead, a twist and turn to find space, or a goal that looks unlikely.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-...-are-this-years-most-exciting-draft-prospects

Sounds like a Westhoff type

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Only because Carlton have an interest and Carlton would know which other clubs are showing the strongest interest .....but it's only from a Carlton POV

It's from a Crows POV.

 

[rezagun]

It's from a Crows POV.

Who do you think carlton will take with their next 2 picks after weitering?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Stiffy I thought he played as a key defender for a lot of his last junior year. Is it possible he makes it as a KPD and the occassional relief ruckman if needed?

He could BUT the key thing is that the club is not developing him in that role as he is being primarily played as a pure ruckman in the SANFL and I support this approach.

Further to this, clubs seem reluctant to have the key defender as their back up ruckman. I can only assume that this is because you do not want to disrupt the defensive structures.

The way I see it, your defensive match ups are mostly controlled by your opponent. What I mean is that if you move away your key defender for 15-20% of the game into the ruck, your opponent can take advantage of that by playing a taller forward line against your undersized defence. As an example look how Port exposed us in the first showdown last year and how they exposed Hawks undesized defence in the game at Adelaide Oval last year.

If your forward is the back up ruckman, then you dictate the way the game is played in your forward half. For example, if you move Jenkins into the ruck and go small by playing Betts at FF, then the opponent will not play stick with their key defender on Betts.

I assume this is the reason where we just have not seen too many, if any relief ruckmen that are key position defenders. It becomes difficult to cover for.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Who do you think carlton will take with their next 2 picks after weitering?

Hard to know, but Ive heard SOS is a fan of Oliver and we desperately need midfield depth.

We need a KPF though also, so I'm thinking:

1. Weitering
8. McKay
11. Oliver

 

[rezagun]

Hard to know, but Ive heard SOS is a fan of Oliver and we desperately need midfield depth.

We need a KPF though also, so I'm thinking:

1. Weitering
8. McKay
11. Oliver

I think oliver is underrated and could become the next wines/cripps. Good choices. Out of the mids this year hes the one i want along with milera. I think wel take mckay if hes there at 9. Thats if francis isnt available.

 

[Hodgy]

I remember people saying the same thing about Goodwin.

p.s. you did say you wouldn't trade Hartigan for James Frawley. You did say that, didn't you?

I hope your right about Smith, he would fill so many needs in our midfield if he makes the transition. And yes I think Hartigan is going to be a great player for us. There is a lot of Rutten about him I believe but he actually is a lot more athletic than Ben. They were both deceptive in how quick they are but at this stage Hartigan doesn't have anywhere near the footy smarts of Rutten but I think he is trending that way. The only time he got badly beaten this year was in the bulldogs game against Stringer and that was seriously bad coaching matchup and our midfield turning the ball over terribly and leaving him exposed one out on the rebound. Frawley I just think is average and a couple of games I watched this year he got caught out badly in his positioning and ended up panicking and holding. Time will tell but I'm more than happy with all our key backs at this stage.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Sounds like a Westhoff type

Moves like joe daniher

 

[Pugsley]

Moves like joe daniher

Hopefully can grow a better mo.

 

[Wouldbetackler]

Two of Francis, Milera and Oliver
Get the KPP's in the rookie draft two mature agers that are ready to go

 

[SES SA]

Hopefully can grow a better mo.

He can have a mo like a 12 year old boy or David Boon for all I care, as long as he gets a kick.

 

[Bring back Bas]

Two of Francis, Milera and Oliver
Get the KPP's in the rookie draft two mature agers that are ready to go

Two of Francis, Milera and Oliver would be a good result. A mature KPD in the rookie draft would be a good option but I see very little point in drafting a mature KPF in the rookie draft. We do not need a limited, stop-gap KPF, we need a high quality, young, developing KPF who can step in to the side in 4 or 5 years time when he overtakes Jenkins. Any ready to go KPF we rookie list this year will end up being de-listed with 0 career games.

 

[Vader]

Two of Francis, Milera and Oliver
Get the KPP's in the rookie draft two mature agers that are ready to go

What's the point in getting a mature aged KP forward? We already have Tex, JJ and Lynch, plus numerous other backups. I can understand why the club would be interested in getting another young KPF, who they would be hoping would be hitting their straps around the time the other 3 are starting to decline. I don't agree with this thinking. We drafted a bunch of KPFs last year and I think we need to see what they're capable of before wasting further resources on an area where we are already well stocked.

I can, maybe, see the wisdom in drafting a mature aged KP defender. We've been linked with one from the VFL, but we won't be wasting pick #13 on him and I think he'll be gone before the rookie draft.

Right now, our biggest need is gun, genuine A-grade, midfielders. We don't have anywhere near enough of them and that's what I think we should be pursuing with both picks #9 and #13. As for the rookie draft, we'll just see what's left over in the aftermath of the national draft.

 

[Sanguinarius]

What's the point in getting a mature aged KP forward? We already have Tex, JJ and Lynch, plus numerous other backups. I can understand why the club would be interested in getting another young KPF, who they would be hoping would be hitting their straps around the time the other 3 are starting to decline. I don't agree with this thinking. We drafted a bunch of KPFs last year and I think we need to see what they're capable of before wasting further resources on an area where we are already well stocked.

A nice variety of KPF too. Dear, Shooter and Ramsey are three very different types of forward and each showed enough this year at points to be hopeful that they have a future (despite some injuries).

In my mind we dont have any glaring needs, other than top tier talent. The absolute cream, preferably through the middle or down back.

 

[earlsta]

What's the point in getting a mature aged KP forward? We already have Tex, JJ and Lynch, plus numerous other backups. I can understand why the club would be interested in getting another young KPF, who they would be hoping would be hitting their straps around the time the other 3 are starting to decline. I don't agree with this thinking. We drafted a bunch of KPFs last year and I think we need to see what they're capable of before wasting further resources on an area where we are already well stocked.

I can, maybe, see the wisdom in drafting a mature aged KP defender. We've been linked with one from the VFL, but we won't be wasting pick #13 on him and I think he'll be gone before the rookie draft.

Right now, our biggest need is gun, genuine A-grade, midfielders. We don't have anywhere near enough of them and that's what I think we should be pursuing with both picks #9 and #13. As for the rookie draft, we'll just see what's left over in the aftermath of the national draft.

Well Nathan Van Berlo can play mid, he's in your team for 2016, I think we should just get kpfs and utilities.

 

[Vader]

Well Nathan Van Berlo can play mid, he's in your team for 2016, I think we should just get kpfs and utilities.

He's only in the team as long as others fail to push him out. If we get an absolute gun with #9, who is ready to go from R1, then I will quite happily say goodbye NVB.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I think the only way we don't take mckay at 9 is if Francis is available

We won't take the risk with 13 for him unless we are thrown Francis down our throat

 

[Linekers Ears]

With the large amount of academy players being rated so highly (top 20) in this year's draft, what are the chances that we will be calling an academy player's name with one of our first two picks?

Weren't we keen on Himmelberg?

 

[Wouldbetackler]

What's the point in getting a mature aged KP forward? We already have Tex, JJ and Lynch, plus numerous other backups. I can understand why the club would be interested in getting another young KPF, who they would be hoping would be hitting their straps around the time the other 3 are starting to decline. I don't agree with this thinking. We drafted a bunch of KPFs last year and I think we need to see what they're capable of before wasting further resources on an area where we are already well stocked.

I can, maybe, see the wisdom in drafting a mature aged KP defender. We've been linked with one from the VFL, but we won't be wasting pick #13 on him and I think he'll be gone before the rookie draft.

Right now, our biggest need is gun, genuine A-grade, midfielders. We don't have anywhere near enough of them and that's what I think we should be pursuing with both picks #9 and #13. As for the rookie draft, we'll just see what's left over in the aftermath of the national draft.

So you agree with me? I said two of francis ( too good to pass up), Milera ( goal kicking midfielder/fwd) and Oliver ( powerful goal kicking mid) and draft the KPP's ( our need is a defender but we could draft a swingman) from the rookie draft, Francis, Milera and Oliver would all probably be able to play next year too

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Harry McKay
200cm/85kg
24/12/97
Key forward
Vic Country/Gippsland Power
Made people take notice with a four-goal haul early in the TAC Cup season and has continued to generate interest in club ranks. A left-footer with pace, McKay also has the athleticism to push onto a wing where he can use his natural running ability. He keeps showing exciting snippets – a good mark on the lead, a twist and turn to find space, or a goal that looks unlikely.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-...-are-this-years-most-exciting-draft-prospects

I saw him play live twice , the first time he took a pack mark floating over the pack from behind but more impressive was when he lead up out of goal square and the ball was kicked over his head, he whipped around before his opponent had even changed direction and got 3m seperation before picking the ball up at pace and nailing a goal on the run from the pocket

The second time I saw him he took SA to the cleaners in the second last U18 champs game, kept finding 2m on his opponent and clunking marks overhead , mostly up the ground

 

[Jeffcrowe]

A nice variety of KPF too. Dear, Shooter and Ramsey are three very different types of forward and each showed enough this year at points to be hopeful that they have a future (despite some injuries).

In my mind we dont have any glaring needs, other than top tier talent. The absolute cream, preferably through the middle or down back.

Dear is maybe a 20% chance of making it and that's before the shoulder injuries

You reckon hawthorn would let a freebie go if he was more than a 20% chance ? No way

The others are not genuine KPF , we have lost Pods who could have come straight in without a concern , the cupboard is now bare today and also in 3-5 yrs time

We would be mad to overlook a KPF with such high draft picks , mids will come easier and more often and no one jumps out other than maybe Oliver who is a genuine footballer but still unproven other than in U18 club football

Milera and tucker I like and even hibberd but none genuine mids at this stage