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Sayings

>> Academic: Girl with glasses = = = = = = = = = =10

>> poke the bear [e]= poke the bear = No Don't Do It = No Don't Do It [lg] = ironing cat = didn't see bus coming = fall off chair = jon stewart: we're back = bridge explode = so random =10

>> I see: ray charles - like to see that = = = = = = = = = (bugga dog) =10
[also: what you did emoticon sign - eyes wide open ]

>> don't see: anchorman: didn't see that coming = = = = = = = = = =10

>> ah-ha! George (Seinfeld) = Jeff Winger (Community) = = = = i'm watching you sbs stern woman = = = = =10

>> don't go: stop. dont. come back wonka = stay - leo dicaprio = woman = = = = = = = =10

>> trip fall = = = = = = = = = =10

>> reveal = = = = = = = = = =10

>> suspicion: cats jumping at shadows = dog jumping at shadows = = = = suspicious eyes = shifty eyes = = = =10

>> interrogation: who were you before = what's your previous alias= = = = = torture rack = = = =10

>> it's not you .. yes it is = = = = = = = = = =10

>> wink: Tom Hardy = = = = = = = = = corgi buitengebieden [twitter] =10

>> sticks out: curtain-drapes not match (blonde&dark hair) = = = = = = = = = =10
[also: conspicous duck ]

>> ordinary: Nothing special = = = = = = = = = =10

>> irony how we roll = = = = = = Pot Kettle black = billy joel - glass houses (throwing stone) = midvale-school-for-the-gifted =10

>> good thinking = I'll take it = music to my ears = in one ear, out... = = = = = = =10

>> pacino deniro nods = agree nod heads = I'm ok with that = on the same page = = = = = = weighing up =10

>> shakes head: Kerry Katona - blah blah = = = bloody bloody thingumybob (AAMI ad) = = = = = = =10

>> let it: through to keeper = Indiana Jones let it go = I resemble (resent) = honeymoon is over = = = = = = =10

>> Low bar: high jump low bar = lawn bowling = = = = = = = = fitness pizza =10

>> fooled: the waitresses - sucker = = = = = = = = = =10

back away
[also: homer backing into bush .. ]

back flip
[also: back flipping dog .. ]

bad feeling
also: Han Solo - bad feeling ... Chicken KFC - Bad Feeling ...
also: Star Trek - Red shirts die ...



>> blaze of glory: blaze-of-glory-mystique = = = = = = = = = Crows wetsuit =10

>> clockwork: Inside-Clock = mechanical-clock = pin 375...4726 = gallery j0TlF = = = pendulum = = = =10

>> double negative = triple negative = quadruple negative = = = = = = = Batman Holy Double Negative =10

>> drink cheers = = = = = = = = = =10

>> naughty: Mousse-T I'm horny = = = = = = = = = =10

>> self-whipping = = whip it = = = self-uppercut = = = = =10
... also: self-uppercut ..

>> looking good = = = = = = = = = =10

>> the line: cross the line = = = = = balls on the line = = = = =10

>> taco girl = f1 checker flag finish = f1 wheels fall off = = = = implode - star trek = = = =10

>> thumb up: Lemmy - thumbs up = Timmy(ShaunSheep) sounds good = Newt - thumbs up = = = = = cat = = =10
... also: Kramer Friends - emoticons

>> out the door: Kramer thumb up = = = = = = lindsey stirling confused = cat closes door = = =10
... also: Joey Friends
>> F*** I give up (sheldon) = out the door = I give up (sheldon) = bull's eye = interesting = dum dum duumm!!! = rising from ashes = f1 wheels fall off = BatmanBegins train crash = cutting paper stack =10

>> out: cary grant - get out = = = = = = = = = =10

F***You: = = = = = = = = = =10
Also: MrBean ...

oh really?
[also: squirrel .. ]

>> better: that's more like it = = = = = = = = = =10

>> bow & arrow: archer miss = dog archer = = = = = = = = =10

>> dice throw = lotto draw = = = = = = = = =10

>> fencing: oggy = underdog = seagulls = = = = = = = knife's edge =10

>> grip: balls in hand = balls in hand = steel balls = = = = = = = =10

>> chaos: Herding Cats = = = = = = = = = =10

>> conflict: going to be a massacre = = = = = = = = = =10

>> done it: Jas - done it = = = = = = = = = =10

>> in bed: couple-in-bed-using-laptop = watching-tv-in-bed = = = = = = = = =10

just right: = = = = = = = = = =10
[ Also: ... Kelloggs ... ]

>> no: You can't have it - Front Bar = = = = = = = = = =10
[also: haha-no, bear no please .. yeah-nah .. answer's no .. computer says no ]

over the edge: = = = = = = = = = =10
[ Also: Indiana Jones ]

>> sleepy: meerkat falling asleep = = = = = = = = = =10

>> sarcasm: mangalore dat sarcasm? = = = = = = = = = =10

>> sitting on fence: squirrel = = = = = = = = = =10

>> sour grapes: baby eating sour = = = = = = = = = =10

>> spoon feed: Alex DeLarge = = = = = = = = = =10

>> salty: giant salt crystal = salt face = = = = = = = = =10

>> Violin: POOR THING [subaru] = = = = = = = = = =10

>> rising from ashes = ship harbour safe = = colosseum & ships = = = = = = =10

>> pin drop = cricket chirps = done right yourself = flog dead horse = horses galloping = horse crash gate = tumbleweed = tumbleweeds = running crowd = =10

>> Done it: Hemsley & Hemsley - dunnit = = = = = = = = = i didnt touch it =10

>> why: larry david - why!? = = why bother = = no words = no words (+text) = = = = =10

>> why not: y knot = = = = = = = = = =10

>> How?: we're in front? = we won? = = = = = = = = =10

what?: ...
[also: bankSA what? Linda Blair what?]

>> interesting: Arte Johnson Laugh In = = = = = = = well, well, well = = =10

>> spiral out of control [lg] = spiral out of control = = = = = = bowl peanuts = ****in nuts = ****in nuts =10
>> derail: train tracks = = = = = = = = = =10

>> the damned = the damned = = = = = = = = =10

>> weakest link = connect dots = cat's out of bag = spring catpaw (sprung!) = = = caught-in-act = = = =10

>> weakest link = ....... lost url

>> we'll take as a comment = we'll take as a joke = we'll take as sarcasm = we'll take as bullshit = = = = = = =10

>> there you have it: Chevy Chase = J. K. Simmons = = = = = = = = =10

>> locking door = = = = = close book = = = = =10

>> Stimpy push red button = = = = = = = = = =10
[ Also >> Mangalore red button ]

>> military: salute soldiers = = = = = = = = = =10

money
>> Treasure Room = = swimming in money = = = = = warchest = treasure chest gleaming = treasure chest opening =10
>> ABBA money money = = = fanning notes = = = wiping-tears-with-money = = = suitcase of cash =10

>> commit: poker all in = = = = = = = = = = =10

steal:
[also: Hamster chess .. ]

[TBD]> throw kitchen sink: = = = = = = = = = =10
[ also >> kitchen sink - Rankine ]

>> fingers crossed = touch wood = touch woos sm. = touch wood baseball bat = = = = = = glass half full =10

>> fishing: Jay Buhner Reel It In = = = = = = = = = =10

>> bait: Mad Max - bait = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] fingers crossed = harvest time = karma = karma = looks like duck = teach a man to fish = past/future performance = rusty screws = 10ft poles = =10

>> finger point: astronaut Threadmarks = = = point up = = = = = = Eddie Betts bas relief =10

>> the finger: MrBean = = = = = = = = = =10

>> grave: Lincoln - digging = = = = = = = = = =10

>> naughty: dick bell end = = = = what she said = = = archer-stop = = =10

>>[ng] clear as mud = don't know what you're saying = nobody knows = know makes sense = truth & good story = Body Under Carpet = = = = =10

Clean up
[also: Apu: Cleanup thread three .. ]

>>[ng] choices - distracted boyfriend: NO TEXT = draft -v- win now = win now -v- draft = = = = = = = =10
[also: weighing up ]

>>[ng] careful what wish for = = = = = = = = = see/hear/speak no evil =10
[also: ... kid fingers crossed ... ]

>>[ng] curiosity cat: terminal = mild = = = = = = = = =10

stick nose in:
[also: sniffing dog .. ]

>>[ng] kids: baby cigar yes!!! = kid with scissors = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] scraping bottom barrel = = = = = bare cupboard = barer cupboard = bare cupboards = = = = =10

>> jump the shark: cartoon fonz = = = = = = = = = =10

>> unknown: Rumsfeld Known knowns... = = = = tsoukalos aliens = = = = = =10

>>[ng] don't assume = quit while ahead = know your limitations = carrot & stick = it's not too late = = = = = =10

>>[ng] egg on face = thin ice = = = = = = = = brass monkey cold =10

>>[ng] organic growth = don't dream it's over = honeymoon is over = The Nile (denial) = bath water = =Powa BathWater Lager = = = =10

>> desert no water - Donald Duck = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] over: csi:bigfooty = B.F. LAW = = = space invader game over = = == = =10

>>[ng] eye of storm - pheww = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] The Nile (denial) = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] it's over: corgi = internet corgi = = = = = = = = bunch of cats =10
also: bueller still here?

>>[ng] failure: bandaid fail = = = = = wooden spoon = wooden spoon [small] = = = =10

>>[ng] worn tyres = out of bounds = brick shithouse = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] finger string reminder = look after pennies = = = = = father time = = = judge-judy-i-aint-got-time =10

>> wait: hold horses - c9sze0d = woah-nelly-hold-your-horses = = = = horse's mouth tongue = = = = =10

>> don't wait: what are we waiting for? = = = = = = = = smiling dog biting vet hand = dog biting vet hand =10

>> moving on: oh no ... anyway = = = = = = = = = =10

>> oh-no!: Home Alone caulkin = = = = = = = = = =10

>> other side: flatearth - other side = = = = = = = = = =10

>> alone: who's with me? = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] empty bag = brown paper bags = Paper-Delivery-Bags-Pallet = mother combat boots = Two Dogs... = bleeding ears = Dog's breakfast = Bat shit = = =10

>>[ng] top hat = hat trick = hat trick +text = = = = = = = Corgi sig: traces =10

>>[ng] you rang? = = = = = = = = = =10

>> skeleton: skeleton - on bench = = = = skeleton - waiting = = = = = =10

>>[ng] spade dig = = = = = Excavater = = = = =10

>> walk into: door with milk = = = = = = = = = =10

>> wet lettuce = = = = = = = = = =10

>> head against wall: head wall ACC = head wall = head wall popcorn = = = = = = = =10

>> hit the wall: butterfly on windscreen = = = = = = = = = =10

repeat
[also: luke darcy say again .. ]

>> repetitive: broken record gif = Not this shit again! = = = = broken cd = = = chasing own tail = = snap! = =10

>> rumour: Arnold - I need a roomah= = = = = = = = = =10
[also: red horse ]

>>[ng] my weekend is complete = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] once you start, can't stop = = = = = = = = = =10


>>[ng] two birds, 1 stone = = = = = = = = = =10

>> undecided: Obama = = = = = = = = = =10
[also: weighing up ]

Memes

>> bugs & daffy: fridge-cupboard = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>> the winner is: Sydney = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>> python bucket please = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>> nek minit = = = = = bold strategy cotton = = = = = = =10

>> bzzz! no discussion = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>> train derail = = = = = = = = = = = (moustache) =10
... BatmanBegins train crash

>> nostradamus trophy = why not both = trade leaks = excellent = crushing pc = -boom tish- = castle dreaming laugh = corgi roundabout = its happening = red button =10
... taco girl = why not - all?
... Homer can I have both?

>> Dad jokes: facepalm = LadyGaGa Dad jokes = = Mega facepalm = = = = boom tish = =10

>> sounds good: jason-momoa-folding-chair = dis gon b good (pulls out chair) = = = the castle: sounds good (no text) = sounds good = = = = = cat says sounds good = =10

>> it's happening: it's happening, isn't it? = office happening stay calm = = = = = = = = = = =10

>> its happening = troll smell = troll smell = computer says no = melting lava = sink hole opening = sally oh god yes = alarm clock slapping arm = soda popping lid = flushing toilet =10

>> troll smell [faster] = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>> start the car!!! = everything's fine = Shaun sheep phew = win the internets = goldfish wut? = moderator v super mod = = = = car crash slowmo =10

>> nuclear explosion = boil over = LOTR crack of doom melt = lava flow = lava lake = = = = BURNiT playstation = exploding playstation =10

INCOMING / ducking
[also: gopher ducking .. ]

>> pacman = autocorrect smash [sm] = autocorrect smash = spellchecker smash = = = = = = =10

>> sliding door stuck = = = = = = = = = =10

>> like: oprah likes for you = = = = = = = = = =10

Likes: Unlike = Half Like = Schrodinger Like [sm] = Schrodinger Like = = = = = = bigfooty down =10

Big Footy

>> Game Day = = = = = = = = = ON AIR =10

>>[ng] Borat really? Very Nice! = nothing to see [GROTTO] = keep scrolling = big scroll finger = scroll - single [forward] = scroll - single [backward] = extreme randy marsh = = = =10

>> popcorn eating: Simone Giertz hat = Fey & Poehler = Seinfeld = Angry Bird = Stimpy = Antelope = bunny = panda = = = = popcorn machine =10
>> Alyssa Milano [subaru] = = = = = = = = = =10
ALSO: Shaun The Sheep

>> spitting dummy = soda keep lid on = soda popping lid [[ LINK ONLY ]] = noffy popcorn = excited = = corgi roundabout = sig. thread corgi = sig. hilarious = sig. corginess = sig. taking piss =10

>> crows logo = crows crystal ball = banksa what? = answer's no = care-o-meter barely = crow fan right in front of me = crow fan right in front of me 2 = Fonz I was wrewww = fonz wreww... [REBUILD] = Elmer Fudd Wabbits =10

>>[ng] baby seriously? = underated post = tin foil hat = beagle foil hat = beagle foil hat [smaller]= = = = = =10

>>[ng] no idea .. doing = i don't get it = joke over head = jet (joke) over head = missed joke = Stevie Wonder Wut? = Ha Ha No = bear please no! = = kiwi Funny as, Bro =10

>> [ng] i don't get it = inconceivable = not what it means = = = = = = = =10

>> [ng] thanks for the fish = = = = = = = = = =10

>> find: missing pieces = missing pieces x 2 = missing pieces x 3 = = = = = = = =10

>> [ng] I will find you = = = = you're new here = you're not new here = = = = =10

>> [ng] everywhere: continuity = = = = = = = = = =10

>> [ng] narrator: he doesn't = they weren't = it didn't = it isn't = = = = = of course = =10

>> [ng] yes: yes = of course (rocky horror) = = = = = = = = =10

>> [ng] yes-no: yeah...nah = = = = = = = = = =10

>> [ng] grim reaper: driving bus - welcome = = = = = = = = = reincarnation-rebirth =10

Meters

>> simpsons sarcasm detector = sarcasm broken = care-o = bullshit detector = bovine excrem = bovine excrem = give-a-f*** = give-a-f*** = = =10

>> Ufos - compass not work = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] mouse wheel repair = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] dial to 11 = = = = = = = = = = = =10

Signs

[also see Emoticons above ]

>>[ng] Choose SA = The Nice Guys = Commonwealth Bank Can = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] reserved [sm] = reserved [med] = reserved [lg] = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] go to post [sm] = go to post [med] = = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] polling = disturbing turn = introverts unite = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] no refunds = = = = = = = = = = = =10

>>[ng] sh!t font: O = 2020 = = = = = = = = = = =10
 
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Yeah, I still don't get why people don't see this as a possible pairing. They are two very different players.

Sure, they're different players. But at AFL level, it seems very likely to me that both will play predominantly across half back for the majority of their careers. We don't need to draft two half backs. And we won't.
 

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Hypothetical. Francis and Milera both available at 9 - who do we take?
Francis for mine. He just has more desirable attributes at that pick IMO.
 
Burton and Weideman are having a 2nd Medical 6 days b4 the National Draft ....very thorough medical, not like the Combine ....I believe all club doctors / club reps will be there

Weideman as i stated earlier is no certainty early draft
Does anyone have the subscription to the herald sun?

If so can you put the link up re the article about Weiderman & Burton doing a medical to determine their draft outcome?
 
I've replied on all our behalves. "Are you a Carlton supporter? There's no way the Crows are taking Balic over Oliver."

Not sold on Oliver, he looks like a kid who matured early giving him an advantage for one season, a lot of his highlights look like a kid out muscling his opponents, that will only translate to AFL if he turns into a Scott Thompson. There's likely a reason he couldn't make the vic country side. He looks like a second round pick to me.
 
Hypothetical. Francis and Milera both available at 9 - who do we take?
Both are flight risks so we will eventually get both anyway.
 

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Dont be surprised if 1 and 2 change around agree with 3, think Carlton need a gun forward more than a defender.
That would be a major, major surprise to most draft commentators....and most that follow the draft closely. Weitering is judged as a once in a decade KPD talent....and I'm sure it's been mentioned Schache has said he's fine with being drafted to Brisbane, pretty sure his father played for Brisbane too.
 
If we take Balic at 9, I'll be leading the chorus of boos at the convention centre. I personally wouldn't mind Mathieson at 13 (provided that our first selection isn't anything resembling an inside mid) but Balic at 9 is literally not even in the first 15 players I would consider. Yuck.

If the first 8 non-academy players off the board are in fact the ones hypothesised in this mock (they almost definitely won't be), I'd take Oliver without even blinking at 9, and then pair him with any of Burton, Tucker or Hibberd with our other pick. If we can somehow jag Francis at 9, then we can take anyone other than Hibberd at 13. If we jag Milera with our first pick, then I'd replace Tucker with Mathieson in the conversation for the second selection. If we take McKay, we should avoid Burton. Etc.

While drafting 'best available' is always the best policy for a first pick, I think it's vital that we don't draft two players who are too similar. Francis and Tucker, Milera and Burton, and Oliver and Burton are probably my three favourite pairings that actually seem possible. McKay and Tucker is probably another that the club is seriously weighing up. Balic and Mathieson? Yeah, nah.
:thumbsu:
Hard to disagree with any of your analysis, I like it!
 
C'mon. That's incredibly dumb.

This is the club that drafted Charlie Cameron. That traded and STILL got Lever. That got Menzel for two things they didn't plan to use. That stole Betts away.

This is the club that had their head coach murdered and managed to win a final.

Yes. One player that showed promise and played a position that we were short on got a contract that was a year or so too long. True.

But he's not Liam Jones or the Future.
Yeah I get all that and well done (could have got more for danger but) and so they should, that's their job. But we still pull some howlers that any average fan could prospectively see is wrong, especially with team selection policies that have killed us in the last few years.

Look I don't think we going to recruit another Meesen or Angwin or Joyce (twice!) coz we've tidied up the recruiting department in recent years, but do I have total faith in all of the club's decision making? - hell no.
 
Not sold on Oliver, he looks like a kid who matured early giving him an advantage for one season, a lot of his highlights look like a kid out muscling his opponents, that will only translate to AFL if he turns into a Scott Thompson. There's likely a reason he couldn't make the vic country side. He looks like a second round pick to me.

Who would you take at 9 based on his draft then? Francis, Milera, McKay all gone. Keep in mind that Balic/Mathieson/Tucker are all generally coming up as selections at pick 13, not 9.

EDIT: I agree with your assessment though about him maturing early and outmuscling the smaller kids. Doesn't really look like a fair fight.
 
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Not sold on Oliver, he looks like a kid who matured early giving him an advantage for one season, a lot of his highlights look like a kid out muscling his opponents, that will only translate to AFL if he turns into a Scott Thompson. There's likely a reason he couldn't make the vic country side. He looks like a second round pick to me.

could the same have been said for wines though?
 
Yeah I get all that and well done (could have got more for danger but) and so they should, that's their job. But we still pull some howlers that any average fan could prospectively see is wrong, especially with team selection policies that have killed us in the last few years.

Look I don't think we going to recruit another Meesen or Angwin or Joyce (twice!) coz we've tidied up the recruiting department in recent years, but do I have total faith in all of the club's decision making? - hell no.

I think team selection has been fine.

The problem with armchair critics complaining about selection is there's no downside for them. We'll never know what would have happened if someone did what they wanted, or if things would have been worse. All we know is our selectors made a choice and we didn't win.

Recruiting, frankly, has been tremendous. Player retention has been terrible and general Trigginess was shocking.

But drafting, trading and development looks excellent.

No team turns over enough of its list to need four or five new players every year - there will always be many draftees who can never make it due to weight of numbers.
 

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We are fantastic at developing key position players in particular. I'd say we have the best track record in the league for this.

Having elite key position players no doubt helps in the development - its a cycle that we can hopefully keep rolling.

Walker and Tippet came into the club and had Rutten/Bock to train on every day. That's gotta fast track development (provided you have the talent to start out with). Then Talia comes in and trains every day against Walker/Tippet. Lever now also, and on it goes.
 
Fantastic reasoning to draft a player ......BTW can he play football at all ?
Yep, he is a highly rated prospective draft pick. My comments related to his maturity and understanding of the game.

Get off of your high horse mate, you're not gods gift to footy. I enjoy reading people's opinions and offering my own.
 
And what exactly is your point ?......or do you want the forum simply to reflect your views of opinions and standards

If it;s on topic ....let it flow rather than directing traffic
Also mate, you can't hurt me, but these bully boy tactics stop others from joining in. Big footy is an opportunity for Crows supporters across the globe to come together and talk about our beloved club. You're a passionate guy, I get that but bring people with you mate. What you say make sense a lot of the time, you don't have to be a dick to make it better.
 
Sure, they're different players. But at AFL level, it seems very likely to me that both will play predominantly across half back for the majority of their careers. We don't need to draft two half backs. And we won't.
Not if we develop Hibberd into a mid.

I don't see why people see Tucker as acceptable, but not Hibberd. Both are currently half-backs, and both will likely push onto the wing, or in Hibberd's case will also spend time in the guts. When you draft a player, you don't only draft them on what they are now, but what they could become.
 

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