Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

[eDPS]

Spoiler: eDPS 2020 Phantom Draft

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

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Spoiler: Draft Central Draft Guide

 

[citizen-erased]

What if the hawks pounce beforehand. Do they take E.Hollands?

Surely if the touted 2nd best or equal best player is still there

 

[naraku]

A chance E.Hollands slips to us at pick 6?

Adelaide 1 - Thilthorpe
North 2 - Logan Mcdonald
Sydney 3 - Denver G Barass
Hawks 4 - Currently being linked to W.Phillips
Gold Coast 5 - Does Elijah Hollands want to go to the GC?

Dodo will be In his ear

E.Hollands
Bruhn
B.Cook

Would be nice

Isn't Sydney taking Campbell?


Hawks: Phillips
GCS: DGB/Hollands

 

[andleanback]

Id love to trade 6 with Geelong so they get Henry/Bruhn and grab Constable and 18

You mean another pick aswell surely?

 

[11kgm]

You mean another pick aswell surely?

Think

Essendon lose 8 Fantasia Pick
Gain 18 Constable Caldwell

GWS
Lose Cameron Caldwell
Get 13 15/16 Fantasia Pick

Geelong
Gain 8
Loose Constable 13 15 18

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Isn't Sydney taking Campbell?


Hawks: Phillips
GCS: DGB/Hollands

Not unless North bid at pick 2.

 

[11kgm]

Not unless North bid at pick 2.

Surely they bid on Ugle-Hagan then take McDonald

This will screw Adelaide's plans right up which is good

 

[andleanback]

Think

Essendon lose 8 Fantasia Pick
Gain 18 Constable Caldwell

GWS
Lose Cameron Caldwell
Get 13 15/16 Fantasia Pick

Geelong
Gain 8
Loose Constable 13 15 18

If we get 26 for Fantasia we get bent over there. Constable is worth pick 50 at best.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Surely they bid on Ugle-Hagan then take McDonald

This will screw Adelaide's plans right up which is good

They might, I think If North bid for Campbell at pick 2 they get him.

 

[11kgm]

They might, I think If North bid for Campbell at pick 2 they get him.

Yep its a shame these gold coast kids aren't there they both would be top 15

 

[11kgm]

If we get 26 for Fantasia we get bent over there. Constable is worth pick 50 at best.

I just going off the fact people are saying a pick in the 30/40s

If it is 26 then a third can be there's

Or maybe just 8 for 18 Caldwell Constable

 

[citizen-erased]

Crows won't burn #1 pick on a bid
North will bid on JUH then grab one of Hollands or McDonald
Swans will get a pick
Hawks will bid on Campbell.

Sort of a shame we didn't take 9 & 3 for Joey. Swans could have really been f'd from that move.

 

[Zach Package]

A forward line full of agile blokes that all fail at kicking accurately and competing physically isn’t what I’d call talented. You can get away with one or two but you have compliment them accurate users and physical beasts.

I kinda look at it through the lense of those that don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

That 2017 forward group we had together with was terrifying by any measure and succeeding despite the midfield being shallow and to be perfectly honest, a bit shit.

We then went back and tried to backfill the bones by bringing in Shiel and Smith, two moves that I’m happy with even in hindsight but it was just not enough. Stringer as well but never got to play with that group.

Change of approach needed in my opinion, I’d stack the midfield to the gills and then worry about the forward line, mounting evidence to suggest that spending high picks on forwards is folly and that it doesn’t really get you anywhere. Provided you can get an honest contest you’re fine.

 

[Keystone agony]

I kinda look at it through the lense of those that don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

That 2017 forward group we had together with was terrifying by any measure and succeeding despite the midfield being shallow and to be perfectly honest, a bit sh*t.

We then went back and tried to backfill the bones by bringing in Shiel and Smith, two moves that I’m happy with even in hindsight but it was just not enough.

Change of approach needed in my opinion, I’d stack the midfield to the gills and then worry about the forward line, mounting evidence to suggest that spending high picks on forwards is folly and that it doesn’t really get you anywhere. Provided you can get an honest contest you’re fine.

With our forwards

I'm pretty confident 2MP is on our list next year

Forward Talls going into start of next year
Wright 24 yrs
Stewart 27 yrs
Stringer 26 yrs
Laverde 24 yrs
H.Jones 19yrs
N.Bryan 19yrs
Crauford 23 yrs
Eyre most likely 18

Certainly not super A graders but still capable. My concern will be when the footy hits the deck with Laverde, Wright and J.Stewart. it's why I'd send Dev Smith fwd and Snelling is important.

I'm hopefully of a 25+ goal year from Laverde. I think next year is his best opportunity. It's make or break. He's shown some traits. The game at the moment doesn't suit his leading game.

I'd grab a key fwd if there's one to be taken at our spot but not reach for one

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I kinda look at it through the lense of those that don’t learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

That 2017 forward group we had together with was terrifying by any measure and succeeding despite the midfield being shallow and to be perfectly honest, a bit sh*t.

We then went back and tried to backfill the bones by bringing in Shiel and Smith, two moves that I’m happy with even in hindsight but it was just not enough. Stringer as well but never got to play with that group.

Change of approach needed in my opinion, I’d stack the midfield to the gills and then worry about the forward line, mounting evidence to suggest that spending high picks on forwards is folly and that it doesn’t really get you anywhere. Provided you can get an honest contest you’re fine.

I still think the forward line is important to stack. The three most important players to Richmond in their run have been Martin, Riewoldt and Lynch. A pick 3 and two pick 11s. Geelong had Hawkins, Rohan and Dangerfield in there, a bloke who would have been top 5 if not for father son, a pick 6 and a pick 10. Spending the forward line is essential, it’s just hard to nail good forwards.

I agree we need to change tack with the midfield. Too many blokes that don’t excel at anything in particular. Not enough hard runners.

Our biggest problem has been how many resources we’ve spent on defence.

 

[Zach Package]

I still think the forward line is important to stack. The three most important players to Richmond in their run have been Martin, Riewoldt and Lynch. A pick 3 and two pick 11s. Geelong had Hawkins, Rohan and Dangerfield in there, a bloke who would have been top 5 if not for father son, a pick 6 and a pick 10. Spending the forward line is essential, it’s just hard to nail good forwards.

I agree we need to change tack with the midfield. Too many blokes that don’t excel at anything in particular. Not enough hard runners.

Our biggest problem has been how many resources we’ve spent on defence.

You reckon? Martin certainly but he’s a little bit different because he actually wins his own ball through the midfield and can set things up, Dangerfield likewise. Riewoldt and Lynch have largely just benefitted from the work of everyone else, kicking goals from uncontested marks on the lead would indicate that it’s more Houli, Prestia, Edwards etc that have done the damage.

Even the King twins who are the best ones to come through in recent times haven’t made huge differences.

Collingwood have a telephone pole and Port Melbourne’s premiership CHB as their key posts, but it works because they have so many that can get the ball going their way and use it. Ironically the one high pick they did use on a forward was Stephenson who has been in and out and now they want to get rid of him.

 

[foj1]

With our forwards

I'm pretty confident 2MP is on our list next year

Forward Talls going into start of next year
Wright 24 yrs
Stewart 27 yrs
Stringer 26 yrs
Laverde 24 yrs
H.Jones 19yrs
N.Bryan 19yrs
Crauford 23 yrs
Eyre most likely 18

Certainly not super A graders but still capable. My concern will be when the footy hits the deck with Laverde, Wright and J.Stewart. it's why I'd send Dev Smith fwd and Snelling is important.

I'm hopefully of a 25+ goal year from Laverde. I think next year is his best opportunity. It's make or break. He's shown some traits. The game at the moment doesn't suit his leading game.

I'd grab a key fwd if there's one to be taken at our spot but not reach for one

How can you possibly say that group is capable? Since when?
there is not one player there you could pencil in for 44 goals in a 22 game season.
snelling is ordinary, Smith has lost his speed hence he was sent back.
amt is our best forward.

 

[faible]

How can you possibly say that group is capable? Since when?
there is not one player there you could pencil in for 44 goals in a 22 game season.
snelling is ordinary, Smith has lost his speed hence he was sent back.
amt is our best forward.

Stringer playing as a full time forward again would be well and truly capable.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

You reckon? Martin certainly but he’s a little bit different because he actually wins his own ball through the midfield and can set things up, Dangerfield likewise. Riewoldt and Lynch have largely just benefitted from the work of everyone else, kicking goals from uncontested marks on the lead would indicate that it’s more Houli, Prestia, Edwards etc that have done the damage.

Even the King twins who are the best ones to come through in recent times haven’t made huge differences.

Collingwood have a telephone pole and Port Melbourne’s premiership CHB as their key posts, but it works because they have so many that can get the ball going their way and use it. Ironically the one high pick they did use on a forward was Stephenson who has been in and out and now they want to get rid of him.

Dangerfield was pretty much permanent forward for the finals and Martin did his best work in the forward line or half forward. He only had 4 clearances which was equal 3rd for Richmond with another Richmond 4 players.

While having the midfield is essential, if you don't get reward for effort; midfield players will drop off intensity. This is why having players like Lynch and Riewoldt is paramount to team success. Without their marking power and competitiveness (especially Riewoldt in that first flag), Richmond don't develop the system they do. It's the probability of them scoring goals so easily that gives them the confidence to run the ball in waves, often ahead of the ball. If you run in waves and don't compete up forward, you get destroyed on the counter.

Disagree on the King's too. Both have improved their teams immensely.

It's funny cause I think Stephenson was absolutely key to the way they played in 2018. Finds and opens space like no one else. I think partially his drop off in form and off field problems that hurt the side so much. That I think Howe is unbelievably important to their ability to win the ball at half and counter with pace.

Sure Sidebottoms a great player but Daicos did pretty well in his stead, while Pendlebury and Adams had their best years in a while and everyone else was still there.

All of that said I'm not advocating for us to take forwards this year. Outside of Hollands and JUH I don't see the value in them. Perkins a bit later, I would take.

 

[Keystone agony]

How can you possibly say that group is capable? Since when?
there is not one player there you could pencil in for 44 goals in a 22 game season.
snelling is ordinary, Smith has lost his speed hence he was sent back.
amt is our best forward.

I'd say Stringer is capable

But there is a handful of fwds that will kick 44 goals in a year. They will all be playing for top sides. A result of better work up the field

H.Jones and Bryan are the future

I'm happy to go after a free agent if it suits

Smith got sent back because there was nothing else. I don't think it worked. His speed hasn't fallen off the cliff. We need ruthless edge in the front half that will pressure. He's not a half back and never has been.

Edit: Jimmy Stewart also kicked 11 goals from the last 8 games. 6.5 of which were as a fwd.

He also kicked from memory 22.15 from 15 games was it in 2017?

He seems to be able to hit the scoreboard. Does he kick 40+? No. Can kick 30+ though

I'm picking alot of future mids that have ability fwd early in their career early aswell.

 

[Keystone agony]

On a side note I wonder how much value we can get out of say pick 8(Carlton) and going after B.Cook knowing Adelaide would be super keen on him. I also feel Port maybe aswell to get a pick before L.Jones and also get another local lad.

I wonder if we could consider trading that to them if they're super keen on Cook and he's available. We could hold some power their potentially.

We've seen clubs seriously over pay for certain prospects. We have up plenty for H.Jones, GC for J.Sharp and also Flanders.

 

[faible]

On a side note I wonder how much value we can get out of say pick 8(Carlton) and going after B.Cook knowing Adelaide would be super keen on him. I also feel Port maybe aswell to get a pick before L.Jones and also get another local lad.

I wonder if we could consider trading that to them if they're super keen on Cook and he's available. We could hold some power their potentially.

We've seen clubs seriously over pay for certain prospects. We have up plenty for H.Jones, GC for J.Sharp and also Flanders.

Live trading definitely offers some ability to make massive overs in trades, people might not trade a heap for a random pick, but when that pick is a specific player they want (e.g. Dev Roberston)

Port traded 22 + a future fourth, for 23 + a future second.

 

[eth-dog]

Live trading definitely offers some ability to make massive overs in trades, people might not trade a heap for a random pick, but when that pick is a specific player they want (e.g. Dev Roberston)

Port traded 22 + a future fourth, for 23 + a future second.

We did a similar trade to get Jones.

 

[faible]

We did a similar trade to get Jones.

30 + a 2019 Third (50) for 35 + a 2020 Second

Assuming Wikipedia has the correct trade.

We then on-traded 50 to Geelong for 63 (Lachlan Johnson) + a 2020 third (47) + a 2020 fourth (77).

So

In: 30 (H.Jones) + 63 (L.Johnson) + 47 + 77
Out: 35 + 27

 

[eth-dog]

30 + a 2019 Third (50) for 35 + a 2020 Second

Assuming Wikipedia has the correct trade.

We then on-traded 50 to Geelong for 63 (Lachlan Johnson) + a 2020 third (47) + a 2020 fourth (77).

So

In: 30 (H.Jones) + 63 (L.Johnson) + 47 + 77
Out: 35 + 27

Yep, that's correct

 

[faible]

Yep, that's correct

Not too bad really, ends up with the player we wanted (Jones) but picked up some points towards Brand & Eyre. Johnson is a total unknown at this point.