Recruiting Draft Watch 2020

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[Atavistic]

DODORO HAS GOT TO GO. Last year he took talls when there were quality mids available, and this year he takes average mids when there were quality talls available that would be set up our spine for the next ten years. It's like the guy has absolutely no ****ing clue. Can't believe we put up with this clown.


I'm just prepping for draft night. Hopefully I'll be able to just cut and paste the above.

 

[ant555]

I dont know what you are trying to say about needing much information as possible and what that has to do with twomey's opinions. i Still read his stuff, im more talking about his so called sources. Most people by november have a fair idea where a majority of the crop are placed heading into the draft, yet if his sources that everyone seems to talk up were so accurate he wouldnt be so far off his evaluations of players. For example last year i know a lot of clubs didnt have ralph-smith and bianco anywhere near the top 40, yet he had bianco near the top 20 for a majority of the year (bias much he sure loves talking up the aps boys). While a lot of the recruiting fraternity had kozzie pickett well inside the 1st round for most of the year, yet he only figured it out when he knew who was invited to 1st round draft night and suddenly kozzie was a 'bolter', which isnt true. While a lot of recruiters didnt have worrell in the first round due to personality issues and he was lucky to be taken at 28. And many recruiters knew Deven robertson

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Deven Robertson

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

wouldnt go first round due to his kicking, even after dominating champs, Cal had him inside 10 for the 2nd half of the year. So if these sources that always give him all this inside knowledge, wouldnt they alert him that he was a tad off the mark and had players way too high or mention how highly they rate others that he wasnt talking about. So hence my skepticism when people say he gets great inside information.

So where is your record over the last 5 or so years and have you hit at over 80% ? never got any wrong ?
No one says Cal has always got it right other than to say at the end he is usually close. Everyone has a few off the mark. He gets a lot of info from a few people. On top of that I can tell you it is fact that clubs have a lot of players moving up and down over the course of a season. So what you have mentioned 3 players.
Like I said. Take the tip. No need to be taking cheap shots at people who also do a power of work all year. Unless you can produce a proven record where you are over 90% right all the time. Even then it is just a cheap shot.

 

[eDPS]

 

[citizen-erased]

You can never have too much class in the midfield. If we can produce a couple of marking wingers it will help lessen the need for the inside player we also need.
I would consider a bit of a reach for the big inside midfielder at 8 which will be after 10 in the end but I also have no issue with drafting what most say is a genuine classy midfielder with good skills.

or midfield depth i'd argue. Which is why i'm keen we add 2 with the sharper picks (also helps Eyre and Brand are coming in).

i'd split 8 into 2 later picks though.
a couple of O'Driscoll, Powell, Poulter, Macrae etc added to Reid and whoever we rate best at 6 adds to the rebuild nicely.

 

[JayJ20]

DODORO HAS GOT TO GO. Last year he took talls when there were quality mids available, and this year he takes average mids when there were quality talls available that would be set up our spine for the next ten years. It's like the guy has absolutely no ******* clue. Can't believe we put up with this clown.


I'm just prepping for draft night. Hopefully I'll be able to just cut and paste the above.

Way ahead of you. I've already had my melt about Twoomey's phantom draft even though he admitted he isn't sure about Essendon's picks.

I'll be more pleasant and measured on draft night.

 

[doug85]

I wouldn’t be against us taking Henry

 

[TheGrizz]

Its only a minute worth of highlights.... but i am in love

 

[citizen-erased]

Could’ve passed on him, like fletchers son. Could’ve lost Joe to Swans before his draft year also had Dodoro and team put work into him.

Cyril was right under our nose, would he have become elite if drafted at Essendon or would our medical staff caused him to fail.

Did our medical staff fail Gumby and Myers?

Just not comfortable chalking up the recruiting of a gun player when we would otherwise have had to pass on them.

 

[eDPS]

Its only a minute worth of highlights.... but i am in love

Join the club, also this is an obvious sign

 

[citizen-erased]

those handballs.......

 

[JayJ20]

If we want to play a blue-collar brand of football, then he is the one.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

I wouldn’t be against us taking Henry

Agreed, he looks the goods.

 

[andleanback]

So where is your record over the last 5 or so years and have you hit at over 80% ? never got any wrong ?
No one says Cal has always got it right other than to say at the end he is usually close. Everyone has a few off the mark. He gets a lot of info from a few people.
Like I said. Take the tip. No need to be taking cheap shots at people who also do a power of work all year. Unless you can produce a proven record where you are over 90% right all the time. Even then it is just a cheap shot.

Are you talking about 80% of kids in the top 30 or 80% of correct club picks in his top 30?

 

[andleanback]

Also has a ripping personality

 

[Zach Package]

I feel Parish is underrated.
Kid has a great kick when he's got time and space to use it. And some time to ply his trade.

Bruhn may be classier, but do we really need Bruhn on top of Parish, Shiel, Merrett, McGrath and Caldwell.

Perhaps not underrated, undervalued more like it. Doesn’t shirk contests, has unbelievably clean hands on the deck, kicks clutch goals in big moments and doesn’t miss games, he makes me feel safe. The best ability a footballer can have is availability.

To me he’s burdened by unrealistic expectations from the fan base.

 

[Steve94]

Didn't realise just how quick he was, very impressive given that that's not necessarily the centre-point of his game

 

[citizen-erased]

Perhaps not underrated, undervalued more like it. Doesn’t shirk contests, has unbelievably clean hands on the deck, kicks clutch goals in big moments and doesn’t miss games, he makes me feel safe. The best ability a footballer can have is availability.

To me he’s burdened by unrealistic expectations from the fan base.

a pick 5 mid is going to have that.

2015 hasn't really reaped too many rewards for a lot of clubs though.

 

[Nicholas61]

You think this info is not available to the clubs and he would not have slid out of the top 20 if it was a real issue ?
Have had a word with a few people that know what is in his medical testing. They say he is in good shape.

I trust very little after this year.
Can never have too much class the kid sounds good. Seen bugger all of these guys but on needs replace Reid with Cox and I think its a good balance.

 

[BomberARMY]

I like the idea of getting Bruhn and Henry, keeping teammates together.. has seemed to work for other clubs of late.. personally prefer Cox over Reid, but will wait and see and no doubt love whoever we get...

 

[ant555]

Are you talking about 80% of kids in the top 30 or 80% of correct club picks in his top 30?

I am asking where your records are to compare. I think that when Cal puts out his phantom draft he has done better than most phantom drafts that get posted.
Where he has players during the year is irrelevant. On top of that the Media gig will always have him talking up certain players that may have family hype or some sort of special interest as that is what his editor wants.
It is easy to have a shot at a few players each year that may be wrong or drift down but the question is did they get drafted?
Cal does a power of work but he does not always have the freedom of the punters who watch and predict with no pressure from editors . There will be times when he can not reveille what he knows during the year until he is doing his final phantom. Otherwise he stops getting that info.
He does what he has to do and that is drive draft discussions and produce a phantom draft that is generally close to what happens on the day. That is the job.
I can remember a number of years back getting shit for saying I would pick Steven Hill in the top 3. My reasoning was although he was not considered in that range I thought he would be a very good 150 game player.

My challenge to anyone is join in a group phantom draft and pick for one club. If you do this for a few years and hit at 70 % then you are elite.

Everyone has some misses. The best recruiters go at 60%.

 

[citizen-erased]

If Cox & Perkins are on the board at 8, and we're keen on Henry, do we take the gamble on the trade back for an additional pick thinking Perkins & Cox could impact the outcome

6-Bruhn (Ess)
7-Reid (Ess)
8-Cox (coll)
9-Macrae (ade)
10-Chapman (GWS)
11-Perkins (North)
12-Cook (freo)
13-Powell (GWS)
14-Henry (Ess)
15-Laurie/Stone (GWS)
16-O'Driscoll (Ess)

2x mids, 3x KP's & a medium type.

 

[andleanback]

I am asking where your records are to compare. I think that when Cal puts out his phantom draft he has done better than most phantom drafts that get posted.
Where he has players during the year is irrelevant. On top of that the Media gig will always have him talking up certain players that may have family hype or some sort of special interest as that is what his editor wants.
It is easy to have a shot at a few players each year that may be wrong or drift down but the question is did they get drafted?
Cal does a power of work but he does not always have the freedom of the punters who watch and predict with no pressure from editors . There will be times when he can not reveille what he knows during the year until he is doing his final phantom. Otherwise he stops getting that info.
He does what he has to do and that is drive draft discussions and produce a phantom draft that is generally close to what happens on the day. That is the job.
I can remember a number of years back getting sh*t for saying I would pick Steven Hill in the top 3. My reasoning was although he was not considered in that range I thought he would be a very good 150 game player.

My challenge to anyone is join in a group phantom draft and pick for one club. If you do this for a few years and hit at 70 % then you are elite.

Everyone has some misses. The best recruiters go at 60%.

2019 - 17/30 correct club picks - 23/30 kids in the top 30
2018 - 18/30 correct club picks - 26/30 kids in the top 30
2017 - 12/30 correct club picks - 23/30 kids in the top 30

Thats his strike rate over the past 3 years.
i just posted my final phantom draft on the draft board page go and have a look, we'll see how it goes, although i care more about my rankings due to live trading and bids.

 

[ant555]

Dodoro goes at 60% and we've gone no where for 15 years. Understand it's not all him but he needs to do something different to get different results.

Like drafting the best available players? Oh wait you do not want that either.

 

[Old Campaigner]

I don't mind Henry and Reid, but Bruhn makes me a bit uneasy.

 

[ant555]

2019 - 17/30 correct club picks - 23/30 kids in the top 30
2018 - 18/30 correct club picks - 26/30 kids in the top 30
2017 - 12/30 correct club picks - 23/30 kids in the top 30

Thats his strike rate over the past 3 years.
i just posted my final phantom draft on the draft board page go and have a look, we'll see how it goes, although i care more about my rankings due to live trading and bids.

Like I said. Would be in the better results.
As far as rankings go sure it is good if you are getting 80% of the top 50 inside your best 50 ranked players but the real test is how those rankings look after 5 years once they have played.