Recruiting Draft Watch 2021

[eDPS]

eDPS's 2021 Draft Rankings

Lore's 2021 Provisional Draft Order
Any issues with it please tag Lore in this thread: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2021-provisional-draft-order.1251001/

 

[Steve94]

If im Freo i either take M.Johnson or

Trade pick 21 to hawks for pick 23 + F2 which probably nets Goater, MJ or Sonsie anyway plus an early F2

Not a bad trade when you consider that it only really cost them a F2 and Brodie's salary

 

[eth-dog]

It depends on what offers come in. The ones I can see trying are Hawthorne, Geelong and Richmond.

F2 and what's currently 49 (will move back for Windhager, maybe Taj Woewodin and Jase Burgoyne, whilst 44 will move back for them, Owens and Fahey) for one of Richmond's seconds.

 

[Keystone agony]

It all comes down to competition i suppose.

I reckon it's huge for interstate clubs to bank quality locals. Makes planning that much easier.

Absolutely it does and both hawks freo rated them top 10 it seems

But if they have Goater and MJ close enough in ratings, they also rated Goater highly.

Then they could potentially just get a free early F2

Hawks may feel the need to trade up for Sonsie or Goater ahead of North (more so with Sonsie) even though it seems North want Motlop

Might be easier to take a Vic now theyre top 10s are locals but it would need to be a big deal to sway from MJ or they rate Goater so closely

 

[Yoda_]

I am embarrassed for you

Having stewed on it. I don’t mind the selection in isolation, but obviously a guy many rated inside the very top handful slipping to us is great, am worried about the “big picture” of what this selection means for our other ‘midfielders’.

Rutten would be forced to redeploy McGrath, Shiel, Caldwell, etc into other roles to get more midfield minutes into Hobbs (Perkins, other draftees).


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[Zach Package]

I think we need to target Geelongs first pick tomorrow, 24

I think a Goater, M.Johnson, Sonsie, Howes, S.Butler are still there (Well atleast one is and id be confident saying atleast 2-3 are)

How that trade works im not sure.

People saying F2! forget getting inside 30 with that alone and no one needs points now

Ess Out: F1 + F2 + Pick 49
Ess in: F1 (Geel) + Pick 24 + F3

Geel in: F1 (Dons) + Pick 49
Geel Out: F1 + 24 + F3

You’d basically be swapping let’s say pick 28 this year for probably pick 28 next year, I would suggest it’s less about points and moreso about allocation of list spot and the like. A club may have their number called and just not like what is available to them or they may have a really strong hand this year and want to add to their hand next year.

I could see Richmond doing it given they have 3 in the late 20s as an example. Even if it took us doing them a bit of a favour like a future 4th or something small.

 

[Lore]

Having stewed on it. I don’t mind the selection in isolation, but obviously a guy many rated inside the very top handful slipping to us is great, am worried about the “big picture” of what this selection means for our other ‘midfielders’.

Rutten would be forced to redeploy McGrath, Shiel, Caldwell, etc into other roles to get more midfield minutes into Hobbs (Perkins, other draftees).


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They don’t all play in their first year. Smith has just about had it as a mid, Walla shouldn’t be in the midfield anyway. Shiel should last a bit longer given his preparation but he’s 29 early next year. He won’t last forever either. And there’s always plenty of injuries.

Let the kid learn another position for a while so he can rest on field without being a liability. Let him build up his tank and follow Merrett and Parish around for a year. He’ll be fine, a long-term mid for our next tilt.

 

[Keystone agony]

You’d basically be swapping let’s say pick 28 this year for probably pick 28 next year, I would suggest it’s less about points and moreso about allocation of list spot and the like. A club may have their number called and just not like what is available to them or they may have a really strong hand this year and want to add to their hand next year.

I could see Richmond doing it given they have 3 in the late 20s as an example. Even if it took us doing them a bit of a favour like a future 4th or something small.

Geelong would see it as pick 8-10 over 14 for the first rounder. Thats significant as we saw from 14 to 12 by eagles/port

Maybe its what i said most recently

Is F1 + F2 + 44
For
F1 (Cats) + 24

Closer or still not enough?

 

[Booplaz]

Having stewed on it. I don’t mind the selection in isolation, but obviously a guy many rated inside the very top handful slipping to us is great, am worried about the “big picture” of what this selection means for our other ‘midfielders’.

Rutten would be forced to redeploy McGrath, Shiel, Caldwell, etc into other roles to get more midfield minutes into Hobbs (Perkins, other draftees).


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More than happy to move McGrath to his natural half back position to accomodate Hobbs the midfield. Now to figure out how to trade back in and get Goater.

 

[andleanback]

We need to somehow get back in the 20s. If we can’t Judson Clarke is one we could look to trade in for who’ll likely be available in the 30s.

 

[Zach Package]

Having stewed on it. I don’t mind the selection in isolation, but obviously a guy many rated inside the very top handful slipping to us is great, am worried about the “big picture” of what this selection means for our other ‘midfielders’.

Rutten would be forced to redeploy McGrath, Shiel, Caldwell, etc into other roles to get more midfield minutes into Hobbs (Perkins, other draftees).


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Given McGrath is a generational small defender that is not a bad thing. I love Caldwell to bits but he’s made of paper and Shiel is our best centre square players so will always get minutes in there even if it is not all the time and Hobbs doesn’t change that. May potentially mean we are less reliant on Stringer hero ball as well, again, a good thing.

Kid is a best in class extractor and battering ram who can kick the footy and hit the scoreboard, literally cried when we picked him and seems like exactly the kind of footballer Rutten would absolutely froth over.

Pick holes in it all you want, I’m not buying what you’re selling.

 

[Yoda_]

Don’t want the moaning from the masses when another early pick is stuck in the queue to get midfield minutes because he is hardly different to what we already have.

We all have our favourites and in this case, no point selling to the blind when one can’t see the whole picture


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[Yoda_]

We need to somehow get back in the 20s. If we can’t Judson Clarke is one we could look to trade in for who’ll likely be available in the 30s.

I’d be trying to salvage our two picks in the fifties into one early 30’s pick.

Would that mean our next ‘choice’ becomes live eth-dog Lore? Or, we have three spots so 13, 51, 55 are ‘love’ but would then become (hypothetically) 35 & 79 or whatever it works out to be according to ladder position?


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[naraku]

If we can get either 24 or 28, I would love a shot at Motlop (Norf probably take him), Howes, Draper or Taylor.

 

[Lore]

I’d be trying to salvage our two picks in the fifties into one early 30’s pick.

Would that mean our next ‘choice’ becomes live eth-dog Lore? Or, we have three spots so 13, 51, 55 are ‘love’ but would then become (hypothetically) 35 & 79 or whatever it works out to be according to ladder position?


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Whatever you end up doing you still have the ability to draft as many players as necessary to fill your senior list. So more picks would appear at the end of the draft to make up for it.

 

[BombersDave]

Looking at some highlights I think he's reminding me more and more of Dayne Beams

11

Dayne Beams

Age

36

Ht

187cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.6

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.5

4star

T

3.6

5star

CL

4.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

15.6

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.6

4star

with the way he moves and fends off etc. Great selection and really surprised he dropped so far.

 

[Keystone agony]

Id happily take any of

M.Johnson
Goater

Sonsie
Howes
S.Butler
A.Draper
Knevitt
J.Clarke
Z.Taylor (If we think he can be a C.Daniel, J.Bowey HBF or genuine small forward)
B.Hough

So maybe we target something around 30 (Richmonds last pick of the 3)

F2 + Pick 44
For
Pick 30

 

[quotemokc]

Need to draft another Fantasia

 

[Keystone agony]

Don’t want the moaning from the masses when another early pick is stuck in the queue to get midfield minutes because he is hardly different to what we already have.

We all have our favourites and in this case, no point selling to the blind when one can’t see the whole picture


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Thoughts on this best setup for now and future

Langford - Shiel - Zerrett (N.Cox)
Caldwell - HJ - Snelling
Tippa - P.Wright - J.Stringer (Perkins)
Draper - Parish - A.Mcgrath (Hobbs)

Starts on the bench and rotates onball for 65% Game time round 1

I do agree with you its a stacked midfield. M.Johnson i also preferred because he will take 2 years in VFL to develop as an inside mid and has more ability on a flank than Hobbs currently does.

But the above shows it can work even with a full 100% fit list. Probably means we have 5 mids around stoppages forward of 50% ground next year at times (Stringer, Caldwell, Mcgrath, Parish and Shiel) with 2 wings.

Stringer probably spends more time forward now and floats as required

Hobbs should be playing round 1 next year all going well for him

 

[bombreys]

Having stewed on it. I don’t mind the selection in isolation, but obviously a guy many rated inside the very top handful slipping to us is great, am worried about the “big picture” of what this selection means for our other ‘midfielders’.

Rutten would be forced to redeploy McGrath, Shiel, Caldwell, etc into other roles to get more midfield minutes into Hobbs (Perkins, other draftees).


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something to worry about down the track - can’t see him playing much at all in his first two years, and no way he plays any midfield minutes

 

[Keystone agony]

something to worry about down the track - can’t see him playing much at all in his first two years, and no way he plays any midfield minutes

There is no point picking a guy like Hobbs to sit him in VFL for 2 years, the whole point of picking him is hes ready to go day 1 barring injury

And what were hopeful of is a year 2 close to a B.Smith, Kozzy, L.Jackson impact that helps us compete for a flag

 

[Westlo]

something to worry about down the track - can’t see him playing much at all in his first two years, and no way he plays any midfield minutes

Most of the build up to the draft for Hobbs was saying he was round 1 ready....

 

[Cup_o_Jobe]

We had a mid-teens pick, and ended up with the bloke rated by many draft watchers as the best pure inside bull/extractor of the draft class. And still this place is full of melts. You'd think 4-5 inches height difference was career-ending paraplegia, the way some are carrying on.

 

[ant555]

My take is reasonably okay with the selection. Not my first choice but he is a midfielder and he is an inside player and we are not converting a flanker. I had a preference for a taller midfielder to be a bit different but I suspect Hobbs was simply the best player at that pick.
I would be thinking that they are looking at Cox and Perkins as the future point of difference in the middle of the ground even if they play wing so they have gone with a proven inside midfielder who does have a bit of a hard edge.

 

[ant555]

Don’t want the moaning from the masses when another early pick is stuck in the queue to get midfield minutes because he is hardly different to what we already have.

We all have our favourites and in this case, no point selling to the blind when one can’t see the whole picture


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Not many of our early picks got stuck in the queue. In fact it was only really Kav and he came to the club with an injury history and needed to be eased through his first year anyway. McGrath played. Parish played, Melksham played, Hurley played, Cox played , Perkins played , Langford got some games so did Merrett. Heppell played. Where is our history of parking early picks ?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Don’t want the moaning from the masses when another early pick is stuck in the queue to get midfield minutes because he is hardly different to what we already have.

We all have our favourites and in this case, no point selling to the blind when one can’t see the whole picture


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Height is one aspect. It is not the primary defining factor that determines points of difference. In fact, it's ****ing bizarre how hung up on it you are.

The idea that 4 players are all the same because they are somewhat similar heights is utterly ridiculous.

What about, for example, their: kicking, attack on the ball, attack on the contest, defensive running, spread, attitude, skill level, ability to extract, toughness, physicality, leadership ability, desire, dedication, muscle mass, footy IQ, stamina, courage, body shape and frame, gut-running ability, spring, two-sidedness, handballing capability, vision, decision-making, hunger, athletic ability, overhead marking, ability beneath their feet, goal kicking nous, set-shot ability, ball handling, agility, temperament, tackling, ability to one touch, will to win, game awareness, ability to slow time, capacity to perform under pressure, wet weather skills, core strength, passion, training desire, speed off the mark, reading of the play, communication skills, x-factor - I mean, I could literally not stop here. This is just off the top of my head.

Yet this kid is universally rated the best inside mid in the draft, maybe in the best half-dozen of them overall, but you're moaning that none of this matters simply because he's similar in height to others in our team?! And you're accusing others of being too blind to appreciate the bigger picture?!

****ing lol, give me a spell