DT 2011 Rookies Thread

[Dunn - Well Done]

How's Brodie Smith tracking. Any chance of early games?

Would like to know aswell.

However your SIG suggest keep away from crow youngsters - which i will be doing.

Would also like to know how Dangerfield is tracking?

Ive saw that all the port draftees are a chance at games from an article on afl.com

Dont actually know who they are besides Oshea and Jacobs.

Edit: Newton and Young

Although i think besides Jacobs the latter 3 will get time later in the season. Oshea is an interesting prospect.

 

[Axel.]

Beams and Green are two i would consider.

 

[Benatration]

Beams and Green are two i would consider.

At this stage there are better options out there IMO

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Beams and Green are two i would consider.

Why are we talking about these players in the rookie thread??

Both avg selections at present IMO.

 

[Super Hans]

Why are we talking about these players in the rookie thread??

Both avg selections at present IMO.

Claye beams and Josh green...

 

[Tom12]

I'll be watching Beams very closely at this stage.

 

[favourites]

Agreed Tom, if he can overcome his small injury concerns he must be considered after his performance in China.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Sorry about that, yeah Beams has to be considered. The downer for him is people are looking to start Goddard, Boyds, Montagna, Wallis in the midfield and he misses the same horror week in round 4, really goes against him and Wallis ATM, with what seems to be plenty of other good rookie mid options.

Certainly one im keeping an eye on, some say he is as good as the other brother.

 

[dylan123]

How's Brodie Smith tracking. Any chance of early games?

I don't think we will see him playing early on, will have to prove himself in the SANFL and will probably need a few injuries to give him a chance to get into the side. No injuries in the pre season for him as of yet which is a good sign.

Would also like to know how Dangerfield is tracking?

Dangerfield has been training pretty well (as he was last year) although I guess he hasn't had any injuries yet unlike he had last year with the knee. He could be a decent SC pick (if you are brave enough to back him) but I don't think he will be worthwhile in DT as of yet as he hasn't really learned how to get "cheap" touches.

 

[yogibbear]

There's WAAAAAY too many good rookie midfielders (that will get rnd 1 debuts) this year. I could almost go Swan and 8 rookies and still not be able to fit them all in. Such a tragedy that doing that would be DT suicide.

 

[RolyPolyRioli]

There's WAAAAAY too many good rookie midfielders (that will get rnd 1 debuts) this year. I could almost go Swan and 8 rookies and still not be able to fit them all in. Such a tragedy that doing that would be DT suicide.

Not if you stacked the rest of your team. Well 8 may be a few too many

But I agree, not just in the mid-field though - Swallow, Gaff, Jacobs, Mzungu, Smith, Smith, Caddy, Toy, Callinan (rookie), Conca, Polec - I want to include them all.

Plus I think some guys like Ben Howlett (elevated) and Melksham will take further big strides this year, but I'm biased.

One of my problems is always wanting to pack in too many rookies, that is not going to work this year I don't think. Some averages will go down due to the sub rule, and the bye throws some really interesting complications in. I am looking forward to 2011.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Dangerfield has been training pretty well (as he was last year) although I guess he hasn't had any injuries yet unlike he had last year with the knee. He could be a decent SC pick (if you are brave enough to back him) but I don't think he will be worthwhile in DT as of yet as he hasn't really learned how to get "cheap" touches.

I still have Dangerfield on the watch for list. IMO he should be starting to get significant increase in midfield TOG and with some stars gone he should feel a little more at home or important to the side. IIRC he got his fitness up quite well last year and came around 7th in one of there fitness test which is a fair effort at the crows especially. I cant quite remember if injury struck before or after this during the preseason, but i dont think fitness is the issue with him. But i agree he isnt one of those players that gets those cheap posses but gets less with more impact on the game.

The reason i like him is because of what i saw during his first year at the crows playing on the 2s i think he kicked 8 goals one game and won plenty of posses, one day he will start having this impact on AFL games, however i agree next year might not be that year.

Just could be one of those players like Thomas, Griffen ect the year that no one picks them is the year they fire up.

 

[RolyPolyRioli]

I still have Dangerfield on the watch for list. IMO he should be starting to get significant increase in midfield TOG and with some stars gone he should feel a little more at home or important to the side. IIRC he got his fitness up quite well last year and came around 7th in one of there fitness test which is a fair effort at the crows especially. I cant quite remember if injury struck before or after this during the preseason, but i dont think fitness is the issue with him. But i agree he isnt one of those players that gets those cheap posses but gets less with more impact on the game.

The reason i like him is because of what i saw during his first year at the crows playing on the 2s i think he kicked 8 goals one game and won plenty of posses, one day he will start having this impact on AFL games, however i agree next year might not be that year.

Just could be one of those players like Thomas, Griffen ect the year that no one picks them is the year they fire up.

I will be watching him but doubt he is ready for that kind of break-out dunn-well done. His attack on the football is fantastic, but his style is a bit rough, needs to get up the ground and play outside a lot more to be a real candidate. Maybe in a year he will be getting into real breakout territory.

 

[Tom12]

We haven't seen much of him in a fully fledged midfield role yet, so hard to cross off the list just yet. Has that potential, too risky to start with IMO.

Why is Dangerfield being talked about in the rookie thread?

 

[54Dogs]

We haven't seen much of him in a fully fledged midfield role yet, so hard to cross off the list just yet. Has that potential, too risky to start with IMO.

Why is Dangerfield being talked about in the rookie thread?

Yep, let's move on from Danger.

I found this interesting the other day, here's the GC leadership group

http://goldcoastfc.com.au/news-and-media/news/gold-coast-suns-announce-2011-leaders/page-1/

Gary Ablett (C)
Nathan Bock (VC)
Campbell Brown (DVC)

Maverick Weller
Michael Rischitelli
Marc Lock
Zac Smith
Daniel Harris




Obviously Harris and Smith positive signs from a DT perspective. I guess if Harris is 120K he fits into the "rookie priced" discussion.


The 2 that interested me more were Weller and Lock. Don't know a lot about them but would have to be a positive sign for their chances for early games if they're in the leadership group you would think.

 

[Blues_FC]

The 2 that interested me more were Weller and Lock. Don't know a lot about them but would have to be a positive sign for their chances for early games if they're in the leadership group you would think.

From memory, I don't think Marc Lock was listed in a single "Best 22" list on the Suns forum, even though he was the Suns VFL captain last season. I wonder whether the GC supporters know something we don't, or perhaps they're all just football newbies?

 

[54Dogs]

From memory, I don't think Marc Lock was listed in a single "Best 22" list on the Suns forum, even though he was the Suns VFL captain last season. I wonder whether the GC supporters know something we don't, or perhaps they're all just football newbies?

Yeh, that's what threw me as well. Maybe as captain last year he was voted in to assist develop the kids off field just as much. IIRC it was a player vote that decided that group.

Weller creates interest, may need to look deeper, think he's a Tassie boy.

 

[Narkee]

Yeh, that's what threw me as well. Maybe as captain last year he was voted in to assist develop the kids off field just as much. IIRC it was a player vote that decided that group.

Weller creates interest, may need to look deeper, think he's a Tassie boy.

Makes it tough to get Weller with Harris and Swallow as GCS options. In saying this, if Weller performs well in the preseason, it could be a very solid option to let one of Harris/Swallow go and pick up weller instead. Will save about $70k on this alone.

Another bonus is that you will have a guy in your team with the name Maverick Weller!

 

[borrat]

Makes it tough to get Weller with Harris and Swallow as GCS options. In saying this, if Weller performs well in the preseason, it could be a very solid option to let one of Harris/Swallow go and pick up weller instead. Will save about $70k on this alone.

Another bonus is that you will have a guy in your team with the name Maverick Weller!

both are keepers in my opinion especially swallow in s/c so i would rather pay the extra money for a keeper

weller will be a good reserve player though being in the leadership group therefore having extra job security

 

[RolyPolyRioli]

both are keepers in my opinion especially swallow in s/c so i would rather pay the extra money for a keeper

weller will be a good reserve player though being in the leadership group therefore having extra job security

Bit early to be deciding on keepers, particularly one that has never played

Deciding that rookies (except maybe some mature agers) are keepers is probably pretty harmless at the moment (useless but harmless) when really their main value is to be cashcows. When the season starts I wouldn't be building my team with the thought that anyone but a gun was a keeper, maybe some of the mid-pricers.

Harris doesn't warrant conversation in this thread, but Swallow, unless he is close to Barlow, will be traded out by everyone particularly if you saw the trade hard/trade intelligent post in the other thread where someone said anyone who hung on to Martin or Scully was a DT twerp!

Anyway I am beginning to think there will be a bit of sameness about the teams again this year . Hopefully a diversity of rookies will make for some interesting choices, I like the thought of dumping a 1st rounder for a Weller (enough jokes about the name, i think the guy in the prospectus already did that ) and getting enough money to maybe upgrade a medium to a gun. Or even create a bit of bench depth.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I actually think many people will select the likes of Gaff, Swallow, Polec when there will be potentially plenty of cheaper options that will increase in price just as much, so I would prefer to spend the extra money on my main side.

Wellar v Swallow - With Weller you may have $80,000+ more money to spend on the rest of your team and he will still potentially provide you with the same growth in value.

 

[LemmingMaster]

Bit early to be deciding on keepers, particularly one that has never played

Way to earlier to even dream about Swallow being a keeper, unless you're talking about the latest girlfriend you picked up.

 

[Narkee]

Way to earlier to even dream about Swallow being a keeper, unless you're talking about the latest girlfriend you picked up.

Gold!

 

[Wheedus]

I actually think many people will select the likes of Gaff, Swallow, Polec when there will be potentially plenty of cheaper options that will increase in price just as much, so I would prefer to spend the extra money on my main side.

Wellar v Swallow - With Weller you may have $80,000+ more money to spend on the rest of your team and he will still potentially provide you with the same growth in value.

Spot on Weller will be priced at about 25. Even if he scores 50s you're going to get reasonable cash. Swallow is already priced at 50 so 50s from him aint gonna cut it.

 

[footylover18]

I actually think many people will select the likes of Gaff, Swallow, Polec when there will be potentially plenty of cheaper options that will increase in price just as much, so I would prefer to spend the extra money on my main side.

Wellar v Swallow - With Weller you may have $80,000+ more money to spend on the rest of your team and he will still potentially provide you with the same growth in value.

Yes. There will always end up being players worth 86k that make just as much money as the highly heralded high draft picks who cost double the amount. Noone is disputing that. The key is that the very high draft picks are usually much safer picks. Every yr this argument is made. People wonder whether Scully/Trengove/Martin are worth paying more for, are Hill/Rich worth the extra coin, are Masten/Morton/Palmer worth it. They invariably are. Sure others who are cheaper may score just as well, but these high picks who play midfield and have good opportunity generally are safe picks.

GC is a bit of an anomaly. Will be a number of cheaper guys who have just as safe position in the team.