DT 2011 Rookies Thread

[dayfury]

Out of all the GC Rookies which ones would be a definate lock? Its doing my head in!

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Out of all the GC Rookies which ones would be a definate lock? Its doing my head in!

Swallow
Toy
Matera
Prestia
Coad
Zac Smith
McKenzie ??? Watch him
Bennell
Caddy
Day
Daye

 

[dayfury]

Swallow
Toy
Matera
Prestia
Coad
Zac Smith
McKenzie ??? Watch him
Bennell
Caddy
Day
Daye

What about harris...i have him and swallow in the mids!?

 

[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

What about harris...i have him and swallow in the mids!?

Harris is not a Rookie but pick him while he is cheap

 

[dewey13]

Which 2 out of Conca, Gaff, Wallis and Polec?

 

[chopperduck]

Early to tell, but Gaff and Wallis probably. Wallis should be fine if he can break into the 22. Gaff will be there from round 1 and should score well enough. Polec will get a chance in the Lions 22, i don't think he will be a huge scorer, but is JS should be pretty good. we lost 3 players from the 22 last year, Polec should nab one of those. He is also the type of player we need, has a bit of toe, and is an outside type mid, good kick. Conca i really just don't know enough about.

I guess at the end of the day, no dicisions are made til after nab cup anyway.

 

[CoastBhoy]

Out of all the GC Rookies which ones would be a definate lock? Its doing my head in!

Lock in Swallow , Toy , Dixon , Smith and Matera .

 

[borrat]

would you say dixon would be more of a job security pick or good scorer pick?

i thought day and lynch would have chf and ff positions but dixon could work as well

 

[Papa Juggs]

Re: Rookies on the field

Thanks for your thoughts Skank. I don't think your done yet, after all experience counts for plenty in this game.

Finding the right rookies is the hard part. Wish I had taken Scully or Trengove and not Martin last year.

I think this year it might be better to avoid the Richmond rookies and to some extent the same might apply to Gold Coast.

The worst teams stuggle for time in possession of the footy and this really doesn't help the kids getting their hands on the pill.

Midprice might not be totally dead. Could be some breakout players that started in the forward line now moving to move of a midfield role and turning into a premium like Dale Thomas last year.

 

[Wheedus]

Early to tell, but Gaff and Wallis probably. Wallis should be fine if he can break into the 22. Gaff will be there from round 1 and should score well enough. Polec will get a chance in the Lions 22, i don't think he will be a huge scorer, but is JS should be pretty good. we lost 3 players from the 22 last year, Polec should nab one of those. He is also the type of player we need, has a bit of toe, and is an outside type mid, good kick. Conca i really just don't know enough about.

I guess at the end of the day, no dicisions are made til after nab cup anyway.

Eade was quoted as saying Wallis will get games but probably not round 1 due to strength of midfield. Looking better as a downgrade target. Problem is, he's only likely to get a game if there is an injury and then he'll have to be pretty impressive to hold his spot.

Whats the view on Josh Green? I've read in a few spots that he may be ahead of Polec at this point.

 

[Wheedus]

Lock in Swallow , Toy , Dixon , Smith and Matera .

Toy more likely than Coad??

 

[motorkerf]

Re: Rookies on the field

The days of the mid-pricer have been considered "dead" by most for at least 4 years.

Are you "one of the most?"

So Rischitelli at $309,600, Jack at $272,400, Leuenberger at $202,100, Thomas at $336,300 and Mackie at $365,00 were no good last year?

In 2009 were Davey at $295,300.00, McGrath at $216,600.00, Tippett at $191,300.00, Goodes at $359,200.00, Vince at $336,400.00, Swallow at $227,800.00, Gram at $344,800.00, Hargrave at $321,400.00, Mundy at $312,500.00, Duffield at $283,600.00 and Gilbert at $221,900.00 all poor selections?

They would, I think, fall into mid priced selections. I think i forgot to list Malcheski last year at 250K approx. Absolute copyright to "perfect team" for 2009 and 2010. The point is that the perfect team requires no trades. The perfect team will still need the emergancies. In each of the last 2 years around 10%.

That is probably why SkankDanker, you do not consider the "mid price selections" have not yet "ceased to exist in the DT Universe".

 

[Blues_FC]

Re: Rookies on the field

Are you "one of the most?"

So Rischitelli at $309,600, Jack at $272,400, Leuenberger at $202,100, Thomas at $336,300 and Mackie at $365,00 were no good last year?

In 2009 were Davey at $295,300.00, McGrath at $216,600.00, Tippett at $191,300.00, Goodes at $359,200.00, Vince at $336,400.00, Swallow at $227,800.00, Gram at $344,800.00, Hargrave at $321,400.00, Mundy at $312,500.00, Duffield at $283,600.00 and Gilbert at $221,900.00 all poor selections?

They would, I think, fall into mid priced selections. I think i forgot to list Malcheski last year at 250K approx. Absolute copyright to "perfect team" for 2009 and 2010. The point is that the perfect team requires no trades. The perfect team will still need the emergancies. In each of the last 2 years around 10%.

That is probably why SkankDanker, you do not consider the "mid price selections" have not yet "ceased to exist in the DT Universe".

Bolded sentences makes no sense whatsoever. If your English skills are up to it, please explain what you mean.

Maybe you should brush up on your English and learn a little more about DT before trying to "school" one of the most experienced DTers on the board.

 

[PepperShaker]

Eade was quoted as saying Wallis will get games but probably not round 1 due to strength of midfield. Looking better as a downgrade target. Problem is, he's only likely to get a game if there is an injury and then he'll have to be pretty impressive to hold his spot.

Whats the view on Josh Green? I've read in a few spots that he may be ahead of Polec at this point.

Have also heard this. Green and Beams potentially both infront of Polec. And cheaper (both $92,500)

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Have also heard this. Green and Beams potentially both infront of Polec. And cheaper (both $92,500)

Unless there really going to chop up and be assured games than i cant see Brisbane rookie midfielders making it into many teams. R4 is killing this with both stkilda and buldogs missing that week.

That means you have to either look at not picking a few of Boyd, Montagna, Wallis and any others your keen on. As these sides players will be in other positions aswell. Alot of adcock and goddards in the backs.

 

[TeamHurley]

how come mid pricers are a bad idea?

 

[Papa Juggs]

how come mid pricers are a bad idea?

They are priced to pretty much what they will score and don't go up in value enough.

It's ok if you can pick the 5-10 which in hindsight we can see did perform at 90-100 av and did go up heaps and become premiums but that's more just fluking it.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

how come mid pricers are a bad idea?

Basically people see a midprice strategy as bad idea because if your buying a 70 avg player and they go onto avg 90 in the midfield than they still require a trade to upgrade. You might say well ill take 90 as my 6th mid but the rest of the field will be taking 105 as there 6th mid so your losing out on 15 points each week.

So midpricers that dont become keepers but improve by 15-20 points still require a trade.

Where as rookies also require a trade but can improve there price more and thus are better value. Rookies are priced at around 25 points (example) and if they improve to 50 which is quite easy than they are the better pick along with a premium than 2 midpricers that require 2 trades.

Its got to do with how easy they have made the game and thats sent the midprice strategy packing. I still think you can use it to win the entire comp but you need to nail alot more pics and make alot less mistakes.

The whole midprice strategy use to be if they work than you keep them (because you didnt need the perfect team) and if they dont work out than you downgrade to a good rookie on there bubble and make lots of money.

Now midpricers need to not only make "keeper" value to be kept but also need to push top 10 or at least top 15 for that position.

Its an interesting debate and i still think there is room for the midprice strategy. Its also interesting because we now have 24 trades, does that help the midprice strategy or the premium/rookie strategy??

I think it could possibly help the midprice strategy. Basically if you think a player is going to improve by 15 or more than PICK THEM, no matter what.

Examples: If you see
Greenwood avg 85+
Cotchin 90+
Scully 95+
Masten 80+

Than my advice would be to pick them. Even though all these require upgrades they have made you money and given you super job security in comparison to rookies. That was another major reason for midpricers but now rookies seem to have good job security from all the research and mature aged players picked up these days.

However it could also be argued that the new best 20 rule makes the midprice strategy even stronger.

At the end of the day ive never believed in there being such a midprice or premium/rookie strategy. You pick the best value players everyone does it. Just my belief, everyone has midpricers and premiums and rookies in every team.

 

[CoastBhoy]

would you say dixon would be more of a job security pick or good scorer pick?

i thought day and lynch would have chf and ff positions but dixon could work as well

Dixon way ahead of Lynch and Day , people will be surprised by Dixon , he is a monster of a man now.

 

[CoastBhoy]

Toy more likely than Coad??

Coad looks to be behind Bock and Hutchins for the key back possys , not likely to play rd.1. Toy will play.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Hutchins?? dont know anything about him, can you add to this?

Have you been down to trainings?

What do you think the order of Bennell, Weller, Prestia, Lock, Illes and Caddy is in regards to being best 21??

I was thinking Day and Fraser would play KPF's Dixon maybe 3rd tall with Z.Smith rotating in ruck with Day and Fraser.

 

[Papa Juggs]

Coad looks to be behind Bock and Hutchins for the key back possys , not likely to play rd.1. Toy will play.

How many GC players are likely to play rd. 1?

 

[PepperShaker]

How many GC players are likely to play rd. 1?

I wouldn't bank on any GC rookies for round 1. Round 2 on the otherhand...

 

[Cat for Life]

Basically people see a midprice strategy as bad idea because if your buying a 70 avg player and they go onto avg 90 in the midfield than they still require a trade to upgrade. You might say well ill take 90 as my 6th mid but the rest of the field will be taking 105 as there 6th mid so your losing out on 15 points each week.

So midpricers that dont become keepers but improve by 15-20 points still require a trade.

Where as rookies also require a trade but can improve there price more and thus are better value. Rookies are priced at around 25 points (example) and if they improve to 50 which is quite easy than they are the better pick along with a premium than 2 midpricers that require 2 trades.

Its got to do with how easy they have made the game and thats sent the midprice strategy packing. I still think you can use it to win the entire comp but you need to nail alot more pics and make alot less mistakes.

The whole midprice strategy use to be if they work than you keep them (because you didnt need the perfect team) and if they dont work out than you downgrade to a good rookie on there bubble and make lots of money.

Now midpricers need to not only make "keeper" value to be kept but also need to push top 10 or at least top 15 for that position.

Its an interesting debate and i still think there is room for the midprice strategy. Its also interesting because we now have 24 trades, does that help the midprice strategy or the premium/rookie strategy??

I think it could possibly help the midprice strategy. Basically if you think a player is going to improve by 15 or more than PICK THEM, no matter what.

Examples: If you see
Greenwood avg 85+
Cotchin 90+
Scully 95+
Masten 80+

Than my advice would be to pick them. Even though all these require upgrades they have made you money and given you super job security in comparison to rookies. That was another major reason for midpricers but now rookies seem to have good job security from all the research and mature aged players picked up these days.

However it could also be argued that the new best 20 rule makes the midprice strategy even stronger.

At the end of the day ive never believed in there being such a midprice or premium/rookie strategy. You pick the best value players everyone does it. Just my belief, everyone has midpricers and premiums and rookies in every team.

Credit where credit is due, I like this post. Some very good points here. The other point to make is that midpricers tend to have better js, but in recent years the mature rookies have taken away done of this advantage.

 

[Lakey91]

The best "mid pricers" are those that go from 15-20ppg below the best premium in the position, to the top 2-3 players.