Ed Cowan

[Zach Package]

Why not?

It's a reflection of how many runs a guy scores, which is fairly important for a batsman.

Disregarding averages is just another way of disregarding facts.

It's ordinary.

Cowan is lucky there aren't an other bats demanding his spot.

I like to actually watch blokes bat and make a judgement from there, rather than going 'oh so and so is averaging 55 for tassie, give him a baggy green'. For example doolan averages 57, and ferguson 47, yet I'd still much rather have ferguson in the team to replace Hussey than doolan.

35 is pretty ordinary, but a lot better openers have started their careers in much worse fashion than he, and even though I'm a fan, the next year will be the difference between him being the next Michael Hussey, or the next Chris Rogers.

 

[Ian Dargie]

I like to actually watch blokes bat and make a judgement from there, rather than going 'oh so and so is averaging 55 for tassie, give him a baggy green'.

You can watch Cowan as much as you like but his Test average confirms he hasn't scored heavily. Ignoring that information doesn't change it.

For example doolan averages 57, and ferguson 47, yet I'd still much rather have ferguson in the team to replace Hussey than doolan.

Well, Doolan has been better performed over his career and this season. So whatever your argument for Ferguson, it isn't based on FC output. What have you observed that overrides actual performance?

I don't think Doolan should replace Hussey but he deserves the opportunity more than Ferguson.

35 is pretty ordinary, but a lot better openers have started their careers in much worse fashion than he, and even though I'm a fan, the next year will be the difference between him being the next Michael Hussey, or the next Chris Rogers.

Cowan wishes he had a FC record as good as Chris Rogers.

 

[Eleven 38]

Sheild form up until now means jack considering theres been none for 6weeks or more, what matters is who makes sheild runs when it kicks off again.

 

[The_Reaper]

Sheild form up until now means jack considering theres been none for 6weeks or more, what matters is who makes sheild runs when it kicks off again.

It means a fair bit when you've being scoring two thirds of **** all like Hussey.

There is only one round before the squad for India is selected anyway.

 

[Patron]

Hussey has left a god damn hole. I would have Khawaja in over Cowan probably atm and put hughes to open. But we are probably going to need both of them now hussey is gone. We have so many more quality bowling options than batsmen.

 

[Team DJ]

I like to actually watch blokes bat and make a judgement from there, rather than going 'oh so and so is averaging 55 for tassie, give him a baggy green'. For example doolan averages 57, and ferguson 47, yet I'd still much rather have ferguson in the team to replace Hussey than doolan.

35 is pretty ordinary, but a lot better openers have started their careers in much worse fashion than he, and even though I'm a fan, the next year will be the difference between him being the next Michael Hussey, or the next Chris Rogers.

Id have to agree id rather Ferguson then Doolan. Ferguson Has so much poise and all of the shots at the crease. He can bat right through the middle order against a range of Bowlers.
Also he is a proven performer season after season.

Who had heard of Doolan this time last year?

 

[Eleven 38]

It means a fair bit when you've being scoring two thirds of **** all like Hussey.

There is only one round before the squad for India is selected anyway.

I'm fine with picking whoever makes runs in 1 round to goto India out of the 3-4 options, I wouldn't be picking Hussey though, we have got rid of pretty much all the 30+ year olds time for someone younger.

 

[Vanstead]

For a bloke that averages 34 he runs between the wickets like he averages 94. If he's as smart as some give him credit for he will know that he needs to make every single post a winner and be seen to be doing so.
Its the little things that can make or break a player on the edge.
I look at a bloke like Mike Hussey and use him as the measuring stick for all round commitment and meticulous preparation. He leaves absolutely nothing in the shed. Cowan needs to be the new Mr Cricket if he's going to survive.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Id have to agree id rather Ferguson then Doolan. Ferguson Has so much poise and all of the shots at the crease. He can bat right through the middle order against a range of Bowlers.
Also he is a proven performer season after season.

Who had heard of Doolan this time last year?

He averages 35 in his shield career with a grand total of 6 100s, only thing he has proven is he isn't up to standard for Test cricket and he has played at Adrlaide Oval his whole career, not up to it.
Doolan may not be the answer but over there respective Shield careers he has shown to be better whilst playing on pitches at Bellrive which a lot less batsmen friendly then Adelaide.

 

[Team DJ]

He averages 35 in his shield career with a grand total of 6 100s, only thing he has proven is he isn't up to standard for Test cricket and he has played at Adrlaide Oval his whole career, not up to it.
Doolan may not be the answer but over there respective Shield careers he has shown to be better whilst playing on pitches at Bellrive which a lot less batsmen friendly then Adelaide.

This is true.

But how many other blokes under the age of 30 have 6 shield tons at that average?

Shaun Marsh might be the only one.

 

[The_Reaper]

This is true.

But how many other blokes under the age of 30 have 6 shield tons at that average?

Shaun Marsh might be the only one.

Khawaja and Hughes

 

[Phone]

well matt wade has 4, but...

 

[Zach Package]

Who had heard of Doolan this time last year?

my thoughts exactly, I'll be more convinced by doolan if he can finish this season averaging around 50, and then back it up next season.

 

[Team DJ]

Khawaja and Hughes

Ones in the test team and the other will be (should already be, >Cowan) within a month.

 

[Team DJ]

my thoughts exactly, I'll be more convinced by doolan if he can finish this season averaging around 50, and then back it up next season.

Hes 27 as well.
Anyone can have a big 1 season. Remember when Cosgrove was awesome?

 

[Patron]

Hes 27 as well.
Anyone can have a big 1 season. Remember when Cosgrove was awesome?

All i remember about cosgrove is fat. So fat.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Cowan's danger is Watson imo.

With Hussey out of the middle order, they might feel the need to move Clarke up the order, and possibly Watson back opening.

But that would be a fairly big backtrack.

Idealling I'd like to see a Warner, Watson, Hughes, Clarke; top order, because it looks the most settled, and have Cowan, Khawaja, Marsh etc making up 5 & 6.


I don't see why Cowan "has" to be an opener, Hussey was an opener his whole first class career, Cowan doesn't have near the stroke range, but it's not impossible to consider him for #5 imo.

I think Shaun Marsh would make an excellent #6 as well given time.

Finch is a dark horse if he makes runs in the shield, big if given his record though.

There's not alot of plan B's to some of Australia's batsmen atm, 10-20 years ago, players got shuffled around in their positions all the time, it's all or nothing atm, which is stupid considering our lack of depth in the department atm.


It's not a view thats been mentioned before, but Wade opening isn't a stupid thought either. He's athletic enough to handle the demands, does it in the short formats, is excellent against pace bowling and is damaging with attacking fields....... Would enable us to play 3 specialst batsmen down the order, and we aren't getting much more from Cowan than what Wade would offer imo.

Correct.

While I don't rate Cowan and am not convinced by him, there's no openers in the country at the moment putting pressure on his spot.

Thus the only danger of him being tipped out pre ashes is if Watson (gives up bowling) and they decide to make him an opener again, and some of the no 5/6 batsmen in the shield ranks get into barnstorming form.

 

[eth-dog]

If Watson doesn't bowl, he should open, but opening with Watson means we'd have 2 ultra-aggressive openers with him and Warner, then another one at 3 with Hughes. There are 2 blokes good enough in shield cricket to play the Langer/Taylor role. Davis and Rogers. We needed someone like Michael Hill (Vic u/19 skipper from a few years back) to get over his many injuries and open and do well. Khawaja could open, but he needs to turn over the strike more often.

 

[Mkcaptain]

Its hard to see Cowan as being opener in 12 months time. But its equally hard to see who will replace him

 

[pluga_4]

hopefully its now that cowan can stand up !!!!!

 

[Beasley]

Cowan is still there doing the openers job ...... but Warner and Hughes are not!

 

[Team DJ]

Its hard to see Cowan as being opener in 12 months time. But its equally hard to see who will replace him

watson

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Cowan is still there doing the openers job ...... but Warner and Hughes are not!

Cowan batted poorly today. Hughes was much more impressive while he was at the crease.

 

[CAS79]

Cowan batted poorly today. Hughes was much more impressive while he was at the crease.

Hughes could have been out a couple of times in the first few overs. Cowan didn't bat great bat gritted his way through it and his job once Warner was out to stay there on what was a tough little innings... and he did top score.

 

[Black Diamond]

Hughes could have been out a couple of times in the first few overs. Cowan didn't bat great bat gritted his way through it and his job once Warner was out to stay there on what was a tough little innings... and he did top score.

Cowan batted with a lot of luck today. He looked like a fish out of water, and what is with his running between wickets? You would think a fairly limited opener would be looking for singles and running as many two's and three's as possible.

I've been a supporter of Cowan, but today's performance actually worries me. He would want to smarten up against slow bowling very quickly.