NO TROLLS EDDIE BETTS, JOSH JENKINS & the Crow's Camp. A knife, a harness and the ‘power stance’: Eddie Betts reveals ‘cult-like’ training camp

[Xtreme]

"Gillon McLachlan says sorry to Eddie Betts after Adelaide Crows pre-season camp"

So what's Eddie's aim from here ?

Obviously you'd hope no club does a camp like that in the future. I don't see how an apology from Gill fixes things ?

Start with sacking the entire Adelaide Crows staff still involved at the club (hi Roo).

 

[faible]

Contact Collective Mind - Collective Mind

Leadership Performance

collectivemind.com.au

I'm just going to put this here. Anyone want to contact and leave a message to collective minds lol. Just checked there website. What a bunch of dribble this company is. Saints did something with them in 2008 aswell.

Amazing they still showcase their link with Adelaide on the front page. What morons.

 

[faible]

"Gillon McLachlan says sorry to Eddie Betts after Adelaide Crows pre-season camp"

So what's Eddie's aim from here ?

Obviously you'd hope no club does a camp like that in the future. I don't see how an apology from Gill fixes things ?

Start with sacking the entire Adelaide Crows staff still involved at the club (hi Roo).

Eddie's releasing a book, does he need to have an aim beyond having the whole world know that Adelaide FC, the AFL, the AFLPA and WorkSafe (SA) all did an appalling job at handling the complaints he (and others) made about things?

 

[Xtreme]

Eddie's releasing a book, does he need to have an aim beyond having the whole world know that Adelaide FC, the AFL, the AFLPA and WorkSafe (SA) all did an appalling job at handling the complaints he (and others) made about things?

Well you'd like to see changes made and processes put in place so it never occurs again.

 

[faible]

Well you'd like to see changes made and processes put in place so it never occurs again.

Isn't pretty much everyone in any position of power at AFC from when the camp occurred aside from Ricciuto gone now?

 

[Saint]

Really disappointing that Crows executive continue to downplay this.

There's something quite grotesque about the experimentation that goes on in leadership camps of this nature

There's no way that you could design an effective experiment with a control group to see if any of that is even valuable

This is the beauty of leadership courses and team building.

It's practically impossible to prove if it works or not. That's why they're all about reputation and despite this mob practically ruining the Adelaide FC, they're still touting that they worked with the club on their website.

 

[Proper Gander]

Isn't pretty much everyone in any position of power at AFC from when the camp occurred aside from Ricciuto gone now?

It’s a story that other clubs should hear though, to ensure that no more players victim to non vetted, non professional money seekers who want to perform untested quasi-science on young men put in a position where it is difficult to refuse. Essendon another example of this. What went on should be public - needs to be public

 

[Xtreme]

Isn't pretty much everyone in any position of power at AFC from when the camp occurred aside from Ricciuto gone now?

Then get rid of Ricciuto and consider the matter dealt with. A hollow apology from Gill does nothing

 

[faible]

It’s a story that other clubs should hear though, to ensure that no more players victim to non vetted, non professional money seekers who want to perform untested quasi-science on young men put in a position where it is difficult to refuse. Essendon another example of this. What went on should be public - needs to be public

Is there much - other than the actual deleted spreadsheet of the substances - that isn't public about what went on at EFC at this point?

EFC tried to cheat, did it badly, got caught, the AFL and EFC tried to cover it up, did it badly, got caught, ASADA tried to charge the players, did it badly, failed, WADA finally did something properly and got the players suspended.

Most everyone that was in a position of leadership at the time is gone, the last player(s) involved are Hurley who'll retire this season, and Heppell who'll get one more year, both of whom served their sentence.

If people want to naively believe Essendon was the only club doing it, that's up to them, but that Essendon and the AFL so publicly failed at sweeping it under the rug meant every other club playing in the grey areas have since pulled back from them.

Then get rid of Ricciuto and consider the matter dealt with. A hollow apology from Gill does nothing

Is your problem that Betts' told his story? That you think he wants something of it? I'm not sure what you're angling at.

Gillon coming out on behalf of the AFL and apologising is fine, given they can't go backwards and do it differently, but it might just change how they go about it going forward. The AFLPA absolutely owes all the players an apology, they were the one group that should have been picking up the can on behalf of the players and pushing for it to be properly dealt with, but didn't.

 

[Proper Gander]

Is there much - other than the actual deleted spreadsheet of the substances - that isn't public about what went on at EFC at this point?

EFC tried to cheat, did it badly, got caught, the AFL and EFC tried to cover it up, did it badly, got caught, ASADA tried to charge the players, did it badly, failed, WADA finally did something properly and got the players suspended.

Most everyone that was in a position of leadership at the time is gone, the last player(s) involved are Hurley who'll retire this season, and Heppell who'll get one more year, both of whom served their sentence.

If people want to naively believe Essendon was the only club doing it, that's up to them, but that Essendon and the AFL so publicly failed at sweeping it under the rug meant every other club playing in the grey areas have since pulled back from them.

But this is exactly my point. The issues with Essendon were made public over time - which has likely prevented further clubs from dipping their toes any further in the pursuit of getting an edge through drug programs that some dork is selling as 'permissible'.

Likewise, its good that Adelaide's mistakes are being aired. It's not beyond the scope of possibility that some other person in a position of power will get some ridiculous notion about hardening up their players by paying a mint to some bunch of charlatans that essentially destroy the trust and camaraderie across the playing group and also the football department. Saying 'its all in the past and most of the culprits are gone' doesn't achieve that

 

[faible]

But this is exactly my point. The issues with Essendon were made public over time - which has likely prevented further clubs from dipping their toes any further in the pursuit of getting an edge through drug programs that some dork is selling as 'permissible'.

Likewise, its good that Adelaide's mistakes are being aired. It's not beyond the scope of possibility that some other person in a position of power will get some ridiculous notion about hardening up their players by paying a mint to some bunch of charlatans that essentially destroy the trust and camaraderie across the playing group and also the football department. Saying 'its all in the past and most of the culprits are gone' doesn't achieve that

I've no issues with Betts' coming out with everything, it seems like at the time he reported it all to the AFL / AFLPA / AFC / WorkSafe (SA) and all completely failed at handling it appropriately.

He's well within his rights to tell his story as he wishes, and Xtreme indicating he needs to have some kind of motive or endgame in mind is unfair on Betts' IMO.

It seems like at the time he made an effort to try to support the Indigenous players he felt a responsibility to provide support for, he tried to raise things with the club that weren't dealt with, and the AFLPA completely failed the players.

It's basically the mental version of the EFC saga; a club taking a programme and pushing it completely beyond the bounds to the detriment of the players, except in this case there's not even the appearance that the players were informed in advance of what they were getting in to.

 

[Proper Gander]

I've no issues with Betts' coming out with everything, it seems like at the time he reported it all to the AFL / AFLPA / AFC / WorkSafe (SA) and all completely failed at handling it appropriately.

He's well within his rights to tell his story as he wishes, and Xtreme indicating he needs to have some kind of motive or endgame in mind is unfair on Betts' IMO.

It seems like at the time he made an effort to try to support the Indigenous players he felt a responsibility to provide support for, he tried to raise things with the club that weren't dealt with, and the AFLPA completely failed the players.

It's basically the mental version of the EFC saga; a club taking a programme and pushing it completely beyond the bounds to the detriment of the players, except in this case there's not even the appearance that the players were informed in advance of what they were getting in to.

The bits that seem really odd on a club level is that AFC senior people were either buying in to this product which most people now on discovering the detail find either ridiculous or concerning, or both. Or alternatively they procured a 'mental strengthening and visualisation' product at some considerable cost without properly scoping what this program would actually deliver? Either are really bad.

But allowing a bunch of unknowns in some version of ninja costume calling themselves 'the Richmond Man' to drive a bunch of players to an unknown location with no club supervision, and deny them any means of communication by taking their phones and whatnot seems pretty high risk of adverse outcomes.

 

[Toump Ass]

Is there much - other than the actual deleted spreadsheet of the substances - that isn't public about what went on at EFC at this point?

EFC tried to cheat, did it badly, got caught, the AFL and EFC tried to cover it up, did it badly, got caught, ASADA tried to charge the players, did it badly, failed, WADA finally did something properly and got the players suspended.

Most everyone that was in a position of leadership at the time is gone, the last player(s) involved are Hurley who'll retire this season, and Heppell who'll get one more year, both of whom served their sentence.

If people want to naively believe Essendon was the only club doing it, that's up to them, but that Essendon and the AFL so publicly failed at sweeping it under the rug meant every other club playing in the grey areas have since pulled back from them.



Is your problem that Betts' told his story? That you think he wants something of it? I'm not sure what you're angling at.

Gillon coming out on behalf of the AFL and apologising is fine, given they can't go backwards and do it differently, but it might just change how they go about it going forward. The AFLPA absolutely owes all the players an apology, they were the one group that should have been picking up the can on behalf of the players and pushing for it to be properly dealt with, but didn't.

Pig Hibberd still going thanks very much. Been playing very well this year too.

Don’t think EFC tried to cheat tbh.

 

[Toump Ass]

Melksham still going too.

 

[faible]

The bits that seem really odd on a club level is that AFC senior people were either buying in to this product which most people now on discovering the detail find either ridiculous or concerning, or both. Or alternatively they procured a 'mental strengthening and visualisation' product at some considerable cost without properly scoping what this program would actually deliver? Either are really bad.

But allowing a bunch of unknowns in some version of ninja costume calling themselves 'the Richmond Man' to drive a bunch of players to an unknown location with no club supervision, and deny them any means of communication by taking their phones and whatnot seems pretty high risk of adverse outcomes.

It's bizarre when you read it, but there'd be a real sense of psuedo tough guy stuff going on there.

The whole camp is what you'd expect blokes who think they're alpha's that have watched too many military movies to come up with.

 

[Tiger2709]

Now Eddies comments today about the vile Texta message “In big black Texta right above my head some racist had written the words ‘A** F****T’ and the Crows silencing him does get my empathy, that really is a disgrace.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

It's amazing Eddie told this to the crows leadership group, coach and senior management, aflpa, and the AFL, yet they all swept it under the carpet, why didn't they say sorry 4 years ago, when are clubs, AFL and pa going to be fully transparent with things to stop this happening, it should be number 1 priority of the new AFL ceo full transparency to stop this

 

[Toump Ass]

Don Pyke reminds me of that crigey boss from the US Office tv show.

When he eyeballed all the adelaide players at three quarter time when Dees were pumping them, powerstance in the grand final, the “no reason” Saturday arvo press conference.

Club was a joke, seriously.

 

[r_boy]

Should Patrick Dangerfield resign as president of the AFLPA since 2018?

 

[Port 2004]

Don Pyke reminds me of that crigey boss from the US Office tv show.

When he eyeballed all the adelaide players at three quarter time when Dees were pumping them, powerstance in the grand final, the “no reason” Saturday arvo press conference.

Club was a joke, seriously.

Still is. Class action is about to happen apparently, being led by Adelaide lawyer Greg Griffin.

 

[JyeDye]

‘Sat there speechless’: Betts reveals he was silenced by Crows over racist letter in shock new revelation

Betts ‘sat speechless’ after racist letter. He says the Crows then talked him into silence

www.foxsports.com.au

Just further showcasing how completely inept the former Adelaide management was. Glad they got rid of them all.

 

[Beerfish]

I haven't read the book, but why did Eddie and the other players give personal information to someone who wasn't legally bound to keep this information to themselves. A councillor on a football camp, weird place to divulge information like that.
A SAS training scenario yes, but a football camp! I would have left immediately.

Because they put their complete trust in the club to do the right thing. The same reason 34 players let themselves be used as pin cushions.

 

[JackFlash]

Psychology is one of those subjects that everybody likes to think they know something about. We love to go around diagnosing our friends and co-workers, both to make sense of the world and to make ourselves feel like we're smarter than they are. How this equates to getting the ball first in a game of footy has me buggered?
But like any science that makes its way into the wide world of sports, a lot of the "common sense" statements we hear every day are so wrong that they border on raving idiocy. In this case absolute absurdity.
You will find almost universal agreement that anyone who participates in a cult (or, organized religion of any kind) is simply either weak minded, mentslly challenged or some kind of brain drained combination of the two. We tend to associate cults with fanaticism, assuming that they are all made up of people that wear bed sheets and live in the backwoods somewhere? As social animals we are hard-wired to want to belong to a group. It's a need as basic and real as hunger or sex. When we get cut off from our group, lose a job, divorce, break up with our girlfriend or even lose a Grand Final... we go a little crazy. Cults are very, very good at finding people in that exact moment of weakness, and saying exactly the right things. Whoever thought this camp neccessary after the Crows loss in 2017 had a momnet of madness that still reverberates to this day.

 

[Ricketz]

Should Patrick Dangerfield resign as president of the AFLPA since 2018?

Probably. You run the risk of a fresh face getting rolled again by the executive and the media.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Don Pyke reminds me of that crigey boss from the US Office tv show.

When he eyeballed all the adelaide players at three quarter time when Dees were pumping them, powerstance in the grand final, the “no reason” Saturday arvo press conference.

Club was a joke, seriously.

Imagine being a supporter.

This is one of those times it sucks to be invested in your club. Feel like crap for something you've had no part in, and expected your club to be better.