EDFL Premier Division 2014

[Full Fwd]

Thanks FF
Can you list the Market, don't have sportsbet

My market (and I am a booky) would be very different to sportsbets. Not sure who is doing their odds but I would think.
2.30 Abers
2.70 AH
4 Jets
8 Keilor
10 Mores & APW
31 Pacco
51 Marby
81 Douttas
201 Northern

 

[snax]

B Grade premiership Captain of last year had been playing twos at Aberfeldie until the weekend just gone

This^^ I don't blame anyone for chasing coin or looking for greener pastures, I bet he thought he would have been playing ones every week and getting good coin for it and good on him, the problem I see here is that the clubs with coin that lure A Grade players from struggling opposing clubs already know that they have a full senior team and know fully well they are recruiting good depth players...

To play guys like that in the two's repeatedly is a bit of a slap in the face to supporters and the player, who are well aware of the players capabilities at top level.
Do we really want all the good players in the top flight to play for the richest clubs? I don't, it would make it a crap comp. At the end of the day it is up to the players and it is their choice, they could be getting good game time in the ones elsewhere, getting paid every week. Although sometimes, as we all have seen in the past the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

[Prophetic]

I agree with most of what you're saying but players will go to clubs where they want success and a good environment. Maybe he wanted to test himself at a higher level? And these so called 'richer clubs' would rarely go after talent from other EDFL clubs, it tends to work in the other direction where the player approaches the club. As an example, do you think Greenvale approached Sam Leech? My guess is they didn't

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I wonder if after the touch up the NFL gave the EDFL interleague squad, that clubs will now stop poaching from within and pumping up the prices of over rated players and instead target players from NFL who from all reports don't pay anywhere near what the EDFL clubs pay.

 

[My North]

I wonder if after the touch up the NFL gave the EDFL interleague squad, that clubs will now stop poaching from within and pumping up the prices of over rated players and instead target players from NFL who from all reports don't pay anywhere near what the EDFL clubs pay.

NFL players will come across to the EDFL for the $$$.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

NFL players will come across to the EDFL for the $$$.

Yes my point exactly, perhaps the EDFL rated its own players and standard too highly and would throw $ at recruits from within the EDFL when they could get better players for less that are currently playing NFL.

 

[THRU DA LINES]

Yes my point exactly, perhaps the EDFL rated its own players and standard too highly and would throw $ at recruits from within the EDFL when they could get better players for less that are currently playing NFL.

Maybe some EDFL clubs did not embrace the metro football game concept as well as NFL and what we got was a weakened side. Maybe the depth in EDFL is greater. That is if you put the 20 teams from EDFL and NFL in the one comp, EDFL teams would figure higher. You cannot gauge the depth of the EDFL comp on that game.

 

[BlueJet]

I'm not sure that the standard of the players was the reason for the failing at representative level, especially given the majority of the squad had been recruited from higher levels.
Hopefully it has given those touting it as the best league in Victoria a bit of a reality check.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

When I saw the teams announced, it looked a fairly strong team on paper. Sure there were some players missing but I am sure the NFL had the same and to be so comprehensively beaten I think it became obvious that the EDFL was in fact an inferior level to that of the NFL.

 

[Prophetic]

So one game between a whole random bunch of the 'best' players from each league determines the standard? Most of the players were probably more focused on not being injured and perhaps the NFL boys had more of a point prove? Perhaps the NFL rep team prepared far better and the conditions suited? Perhaps the EDFL team was too conscious of big names and not the right balance?

Perhaps we can't determine a leagues standard from one pretty meaningless game? The standard of EDFL is incredibly strong and getting more so every year considering the back to back premiers have already been beaten three times. I'm happy to say that I think EDFL's depth and overall standard is comparable to all other metro leagues.

 

[THRU DA LINES]

So one game between a whole random bunch of the 'best' players from each league determines the standard? Most of the players were probably more focused on not being injured and perhaps the NFL boys had more of a point prove? Perhaps the NFL rep team prepared far better and the conditions suited? Perhaps the EDFL team was too conscious of big names and not the right balance?

Perhaps we can't determine a leagues standard from one pretty meaningless game? The standard of EDFL is incredibly strong and getting more so every year considering the back to back premiers have already been beaten three times. I'm happy to say that I think EDFL's depth and overall standard is comparable to all other metro leagues.

Agree Entirely

 

[BlueJet]

Obviously you can't go off one or two games and on the day it was clear the NFL side had bought into the concept more than the EDFL side had.
As for overall quality it's hard to judge as different grounds etc generally lead to different styles of play. The NFL, WRFL & EDFL would all be more physical than the Ammos and EFL but the skills would would lag behind those leagues imo.

 

[juliand]

I'm not sure that the standard of the players was the reason for the failing at representative level, especially given the majority of the squad had been recruited from higher levels.
Hopefully it has given those touting it as the best league in Victoria a bit of a reality check.

But the bigger NFL bodies hurt the EDFL and when the rep team started training they had 13-15 for the first couple of weeks when the NFL had 30-40 training 3 weeks before the EDFL started.Also clubs not getting behind the concept(they pay the bills) hurt the EDFL especially when they were looking for a back up ruckman!

 

[Observant]

Fantastic idea by the AH hierarchy to save money by letting Keilor develop the 6 players who played in the A grade against Abers two weeks ago .Grosso , Cartelli , Dimartino , Young ,Bartrop and Anasathiou . Throw in the other imports what have they developed again ? U18's are going well too after kicking one goal against Abers .History says money won't last debt looming players leaving back in B grade again . This side is a reincarnation of Loyds ill fated squad

Development?
Juniors football is very different to senior football.
Junior football is just a bunch of dads who don't have an in depth background to coaching.

I'm no expert, but I believe most development comes from playing the U18's as it is an entrance into senior football and when their bodies are maturing the most.
This is through the adaptation of playing against bigger, faster and better opponents who could possibly be 19 in the latter stages of the season and better coaching structure.

To what I am aware (and correct me if I am wrong), Young and Anasathiou never played any under-age at Keilor.
Grosso, Cartelli, and Dimartino were TAC and VFL listed where a lot of player development occurs. Safe to assume more than what occurs at local level.
And Bartrop has never played a single game on a Saturday in the red white and blue.

Between them, how much has Keilor really developed them?
I think its just more, Keilor got lucky when these naturally talented players joined their club at junior level instead of any other.

A better question to ask is why Keilor hasn't been able keep them?
I know for fact that AH is not the only club that has gained ex Keilor players.
Why do you think that is?
Some are even playing reserve level at other clubs.


As for the ones who are rambling on about how clubs are spending their money. NONE of you would have any access to any club's finances and payments.
I suggest you stop shooting from the hip and making assumptions on how much people are getting paid around the league. Coaches or players.
There is no evidence to base your assumptions on. And even if you did have insight to a club or specific player, you surely wouldn't be dumb enough to post it on here.

 

[poorpunter]

Development?
Juniors football is very different to senior football.
Junior football is just a bunch of dads who don't have an in depth background to coaching.

I'm no expert, but I believe most development comes from playing the U18's as it is an entrance into senior football and when their bodies are maturing the most.
This is through the adaptation of playing against bigger, faster and better opponents who could possibly be 19 in the latter stages of the season and better coaching structure.

To what I am aware (and correct me if I am wrong), Young and Anasathiou never played any under-age at Keilor.
Grosso, Cartelli, and Dimartino were TAC and VFL listed where a lot of player development occurs. Safe to assume more than what occurs at local level.
And Bartrop has never played a single game on a Saturday in the red white and blue.

Between them, how much has Keilor really developed them?
I think its just more, Keilor got lucky when these naturally talented players joined their club at junior level instead of any other.

A better question to ask is why Keilor hasn't been able keep them?
I know for fact that AH is not the only club that has gained ex Keilor players.
Why do you think that is?
Some are even playing reserve level at other clubs.


As for the ones who are rambling on about how clubs are spending their money. NONE of you would have any access to any club's finances and payments.
I suggest you stop shooting from the hip and making assumptions on how much people are getting paid around the league. Coaches or players.
There is no evidence to base your assumptions on. And even if you did have insight to a club or specific player, you surely wouldn't be dumb enough to post it on here.

Good call in this last paragraph or so...the whole money conversation and juniors into the the seniors thing has become a bit tiresome. If a club chooses to spend there are no guarantees for anything, and once a season starts, all clubs will try and field the best side they can and that's where we can make a judgement, on results. No guarantees a guy getting $1500 will always perform and cos a guy was junior of the club won't guarantee him to get a kick at the higher level. I'm interested to know which club doesn't pay much money and also plays their juniors!!! so I can keep an eye on their results.

 

[snax]

I agree with most of what you're saying but players will go to clubs where they want success and a good environment.

Fair enough, as I said it's up to the player in the end.

Maybe he wanted to test himself at a higher level?

May be, we don't know. I will take a punt here and say that A grade Seniors is ones, and if you play A grade Reserves that is a lower level than that.

And these so called 'richer clubs' would rarely go after talent from other EDFL clubs, it tends to work in the other direction where the player approaches the club.

Mate you cannot be serious>the guns in Div 1 & 2 need a secretary with the amount of calls and offers

As an example, do you think Greenvale approached Sam Leech? My guess is they didn't

Poor example mate. Seems as though there is alot of unrest at Paco and something obviously happened to make Leech & Williams put in for clearances mid season coinciding with a Coach departing.Would be good to know the full story on it. But anyway my guess is Paco will want something from whichever clubs these players decide to play for and wont release until happy.$

Just checked;
Pascoe Vale Greenvale Leech, Sam Denied 2014-04-29 2014-05-05
Pascoe Vale Greenvale Williams, Jason Denied 2014-04-29 2014-05-05

Pascoe Vale Riddell District Football League (RDFL) Williams, Jason Pending
2014-05-07

Hope they get cleared so they can play some footy

 

[Prophetic]

No player in div 2 would get near a game in most premier teams?
The guns in div 1 wouldn't get a game for top premier league clubs except for some notable exceptions.
Why then would top premier league clubs try to lure lower league players when they are recruiting players of the calibre of Nayna, Grima, Galea etc?
Greenvale wouldn't have tried to 'lure' Williams or Leech, it's obvious they want out and no doubt contacted them.

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

No player in div 2 would get near a game in most premier teams?
The guns in div 1 wouldn't get a game for top premier league clubs except for some notable exceptions.
Why then would top premier league clubs try to lure lower league players when they are recruiting players of the calibre of Nayna, Grima, Galea etc?
Greenvale wouldn't have tried to 'lure' Williams or Leech, it's obvious they want out and no doubt contacted them.

Not the only club these two approached either.

Hopefully Pacco clear them however word on the street is they're asking for $10K compo from the Jets which is laughable!!

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

As for the ones who are rambling on about how clubs are spending their money. NONE of you would have any access to any club's finances and payments.
I suggest you stop shooting from the hip and making assumptions on how much people are getting paid around the league. Coaches or players.
There is no evidence to base your assumptions on. And even if you did have insight to a club or specific player, you surely wouldn't be dumb enough to post it on here.

Well said - agree with poor punter in that this paragraph nails it!

 

[shagshouli]

I'm not sure that the standard of the players was the reason for the failing at representative level, especially given the majority of the squad had been recruited from higher levels.
Hopefully it has given those touting it as the best league in Victoria a bit of a reality check.

It is the best league. One random deciding a leagues standard is crazy.
I think we need to have a look at the respective leagues rather than one game to get a better grasp of this.
EDFL - throw a blanket over 6 teams at the top. Depending on results this weekend, the top 4 will be seriously altered.
NFL - Few teams dominate and then it falls away steeply. EPL style.

If we ask ourselves the question, who would win if our fifth best team (one outside the top 4) played theirs?. (APW v Preston)
Then you can see how far the depth of talent in the league goes.

 

[BlueJet]

My opinion hasn't changed in years, the EDFL is probably slightly ahead of the NFL and that Abers/Gvale would beat Bundoora/Mont. I do think that the EFL & VAFA would be comfortably the best leagues overall of the metro comps.
That said, there's no way to test these theories outside of rep footy so it's all really pointless.

 

[ADP10]

Not the only club these two approached either.

Hopefully Pacco clear them however word on the street is they're asking for $10K compo from the Jets which is laughable!!

10k!!! Ridiculous! Won't clear them without getting some sort of cash out of Greenvale. Clearly something not right down there with all home grown players walking out last year + 20 others.

 

[footyjunky]

10k!!! Ridiculous! Won't clear them without getting some sort of cash out of Greenvale. Clearly something not right down there with all home grown players walking out last year + 20 others.

Pacco are dreaming I remember not too long ago bloke called Bicer and Paxman going to Pacco and taking a few Jets with them. I bet the Jets didn't ask for any compensation. Swings and roundabouts!!!

 

[BlueJet]

If true, good luck to them trying to attract players in future.

 

[No Rules]

Both Pacco players took heavy signons $5K!!!! So why wouldn't PV expect to recoup club $$?? Responsible administration if you ask me.
Williams shopped himself around after being given a lifeline at Keilor - let him sit out of footy or pay the money back!! Simple!!