EDFL Premier Division

[shagshouli]

AFL Victoria confirms player points cap will be introduced in 2016, with salary cap likely a year later

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...ely-a-year-later/story-fngnvocb-1227497568642

Salary cap? This is hilarious. Is an EDFL auditor going to be in the change rooms post match to monitor the cash envelopes?.... please...

 

[JustOverHere]

AFL Victoria confirms player points cap will be introduced in 2016, with salary cap likely a year later

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...ely-a-year-later/story-fngnvocb-1227497568642

Interesting to read that each league will be able to nominate what they think the desired points cap should be within their very own league with ratification from AFL Victoria required before being implemented..

Using the proposed points system the top six clubs varied greatly in their last home and away game for season 2015..

Highest to lowest..
1. 68 points
2. 68 points
3. 68 points
4. 62 points
5. 52 points
6. 50 points

Some clubs will definitely need to do some jockeying for a high points cap in season 2016, if they wish to maintain a large percentage of their current playing list, whilst some other clubs are much better placed already to adjust accordingly..

 

[Subway]

Interesting to read that each league will be able to nominate what they think the desired points cap should be within their very own league with ratification from AFL Victoria required before being implemented..

Using the proposed points system the top six clubs varied greatly in their last home and away game for season 2015..

Highest to lowest..
1. 68 points
2. 68 points
3. 68 points
4. 62 points
5. 52 points
6. 50 points

Some clubs will definitely need to do some jockeying for a high points cap in season 2016, if they wish to maintain a large percentage of their current playing list, whilst some other clubs are much better placed already to adjust accordingly..

Apparently the EDFL is looking at 60 points in 2016, 55 in 2017 and stopping at 50 in 2018.

50 looks like a fair target, will be very interesting how teams go about it. Obviously the teams with a stronger junior set up with eventually see the benefits.

Personally I think it’s a great idea. It will allow teams like West Coburg that have great home grown talent but not the finances to compete with the elite.

 

[Turbos mail]

Apparently the EDFL is looking at 60 points in 2016, 55 in 2017 and stopping at 50 in 2018.

50 looks like a fair target, will be very interesting how teams go about it. Obviously the teams with a stronger junior set up with eventually see the benefits.

Personally I think it’s a great idea. It will allow teams like West Coburg that have great home grown talent but not the finances to compete with the elite.

Subway, fair points. Also clubs will need to maintain a minimum of 10 senior players every year to reduce points by minimum 10 every year.

As I stated on the div1 thread, the majority of kids coming out of 18s are not ready to play premier footy consistently. Yes maybe the odd player or 2 are capable but not 3-6 players each year. This has been confirmed by a strong club like Abers and how many 18-19 year olds are in there best 25 players. Not many as they need time. Is it time for a colts division or an alignment with a div1/2 club to develope kids between 18-20??

 

[Joey Montoro]

Subway, fair points. Also clubs will need to maintain a minimum of 10 senior players every year to reduce points by minimum 10 every year.

As I stated on the div1 thread, the majority of kids coming out of 18s are not ready to play premier footy consistently. Yes maybe the odd player or 2 are capable but not 3-6 players each year. This has been confirmed by a strong club like Abers and how many 18-19 year olds are in there best 25 players. Not many as they need time. Is it time for a colts division or an alignment with a div1/2 club to develope kids between 18-20??

You have a point. Too many kids give footy away from 16-18. Either it becomes too hard, less enjoyable too competitive, likely a mix of all. Need to retain these kids. For instance at clubs like Abers etc and stronger clubs which have multiple sides, you get a bottle neck of kids competing for 24 odd positions, some may get turned off the idea as they may not be up to it, but would certainly be good enough to play at other clubs say, a Div 1 club. Instead kids give it away. It may not matter to many because everybody is so perochial about their own team, but it's a shame kids give it away, when opportinities to exist elsewhere, therefore the idea of alignment, not exactly alignment, but a system which allows these kids to play at other clubs could be good overall.

The pool of kids is getting smaller. I just saw a new development in Cranbourne East, and the sporting precinct has more soccer ovals than anything else. Perhaps the AFL can use some of the $2b helping leagues such as the EDFL help clubs retain and grow together sharing the available pool.

 

[Turbos mail]

You have a point. Too many kids give footy away from 16-18. Either it becomes too hard, less enjoyable too competitive, likely a mix of all. Need to retain these kids. For instance at clubs like Abers etc and stronger clubs which have multiple sides, you get a bottle neck of kids competing for 24 odd positions, some may get turned off the idea as they may not be up to it, but would certainly be good enough to play at other clubs say, a Div 1 club. Instead kids give it away. It may not matter to many because everybody is so perochial about their own team, but it's a shame kids give it away, when opportinities to exist elsewhere, therefore the idea of alignment, not exactly alignment, but a system which allows these kids to play at other clubs could be good overall.

The pool of kids is getting smaller. I just saw a new development in Cranbourne East, and the sporting precinct has more soccer ovals than anything else. Perhaps the AFL can use some of the $2b helping leagues such as the EDFL help clubs retain and grow together sharing the available pool.

As much as it sounds silly alignments or feeders could work and might ultimately save a few clubs (in the lower divisions) long term. Here are some examples of the top of my head.
Abers - Keilor Park
Marby - Moonee Valley/Parkside *if they come in..
Pacco - Coburg Districts/Glenroy
Strathmore - Oak Park
Avondale - East Keilor
Airport West - Tulla
Greenvale - Westy
Craigieburn - Roxy Park/Jacana
West Coburg - Nth Saints

The thirds comp in my opinion was not the answer to developing juniors out of 18s.
Maybe better to have an u/20s comp with these alignments.

Anyway just a discussion point

 

[BlueJet]

As much as it sounds silly alignments or feeders could work and might ultimately save a few clubs (in the lower divisions) long term. Here are some examples of the top of my head.
Abers - Keilor Park
Marby - Moonee Valley/Parkside *if they come in..
Pacco - Coburg Districts/Glenroy
Strathmore - Oak Park
Avondale - East Keilor
Airport West - Tulla
Greenvale - Westy
Craigieburn - Roxy Park/Jacana
West Coburg - Nth Saints

The thirds comp in my opinion was not the answer to developing juniors out of 18s.
Maybe better to have an u/20s comp with these alignments.

Anyway just a discussion point

Respectfully, that'll be the death of clubs as it'll get long-standing fans/members noses out of joint as their club will be reduced to that of a pawn to a neighbouring "power club"
Seeing some of those proud clubs reduced to feeder clubs would be sad.

 

[Star]

Salary cap? This is hilarious. Is an EDFL auditor going to be in the change rooms post match to monitor the cash envelopes?.... please...

AFLVIC are conducting the audits are they not?

I wouldn't want to be the first club busted and relegated a couple of divisions.

 

[Star]

Heard that the Caruso boys are going to Marby next year!!

Must be 10 Caruso boys given the numbers of clubs they're playing for next year.

 

[1061]

As much as it sounds silly alignments or feeders could work and might ultimately save a few clubs (in the lower divisions) long term. Here are some examples of the top of my head.
Abers - Keilor Park
Marby - Moonee Valley/Parkside *if they come in..
Pacco - Coburg Districts/Glenroy
Strathmore - Oak Park
Avondale - East Keilor
Airport West - Tulla
Greenvale - Westy
Craigieburn - Roxy Park/Jacana
West Coburg - Nth Saints

The thirds comp in my opinion was not the answer to developing juniors out of 18s.
Maybe better to have an u/20s comp with these alignments.

Anyway just a discussion point

I think Northern Would split into the old North Coburg/Fawkner camps before that happened.

Speaking of which I've heard Moreland City Council want Northern's name to be changed to Fawkner too represent the suburb they're in, much the same as Douta's had to ad Essendon to their name.

 

[EDFL knowitall]

As much as it sounds silly alignments or feeders could work and might ultimately save a few clubs (in the lower divisions) long term. Here are some examples of the top of my head.
Abers - Keilor Park
Marby - Moonee Valley/Parkside *if they come in..
Pacco - Coburg Districts/Glenroy
Strathmore - Oak Park
Avondale - East Keilor
Airport West - Tulla
Greenvale - Westy
Craigieburn - Roxy Park/Jacana
West Coburg - Nth Saints

The thirds comp in my opinion was not the answer to developing juniors out of 18s.
Maybe better to have an u/20s comp with these alignments.

Anyway just a discussion point

How would the promotion/relegation work. Wouldnt be good if both greenvale and westy in premier. Don't think greenvale would give there juniors to a team in there division. That's just a silly statement u just made there

 

[Turbos mail]

How would the promotion/relegation work. Wouldnt be good if both greenvale and westy in premier. Don't think greenvale would give there juniors to a team in there division. That's just a silly statement u just made there

All good guys just a far stretched idea to create some thinking.
Wasn't really thinking of take over of clubs but more to give players ( specifically juniors) options of premier or div1 without worrying about a clearance and points.

With regards to Greenvale - West I was more thinking if certain clubs were just happy competing in div1 but if they were seroiusly thinking of going up then let's not aligned the 2.
I was kind of thinking that say Tulla happened to win the div1 premiership they "might" not be in a position to go up and if forced to go up it could be bad for them long term.

Anyway appreciate the replies, but don't take offence as its only a thought boys..

Bring on the finals as its becoming boring.

Any Mad Monday stories??

 

[bsddbsfbfd]

As much as it sounds silly alignments or feeders could work and might ultimately save a few clubs (in the lower divisions) long term. Here are some examples of the top of my head.
Abers - Keilor Park
Marby - Moonee Valley/Parkside *if they come in..
Pacco - Coburg Districts/Glenroy
Strathmore - Oak Park
Avondale - East Keilor
Airport West - Tulla
Greenvale - Westy
Craigieburn - Roxy Park/Jacana
West Coburg - Nth Saints

The thirds comp in my opinion was not the answer to developing juniors out of 18s.
Maybe better to have an u/20s comp with these alignments.

Anyway just a discussion point

Would think creating the under 19s comp will do a load of good retaining younger players and also making the senior/reserves transition easier.

 

[Fair comment]

Would think creating the under 19s comp will do a load of good retaining younger players and also making the senior/reserves transition easier.

Any chance of the edfl also thinking of a top 5 to keep interest in the season a bit longer

 

[BlueJet]

Any chance of the edfl also thinking of a top 5 to keep interest in the season a bit longer

Given that 4th finished 3 wins clear of 5th I'd say at present - no, there's no need for it.

 

[Star]

Any chance of the edfl also thinking of a top 5 to keep interest in the season a bit longer

I don't think there's much choice in a 10 team competition. Can't have teams on the negative side of the ledger playing finals. One of the good things about 10 teams is having an equitable home and away draw which IMO is the single biggest failure of the AFL competition.

 

[bigj639]

All good guys just a far stretched idea to create some thinking.
Wasn't really thinking of take over of clubs but more to give players ( specifically juniors) options of premier or div1 without worrying about a clearance and points.

With regards to Greenvale - West I was more thinking if certain clubs were just happy competing in div1 but if they were seroiusly thinking of going up then let's not aligned the 2.
I was kind of thinking that say Tulla happened to win the div1 premiership they "might" not be in a position to go up and if forced to go up it could be bad for them long term.

Anyway appreciate the replies, but don't take offence as its only a thought boys..

Bring on the finals as its becoming boring.

Any Mad Monday stories??

Not a mad idea, but would need to work more like English premier league where you loan players out for the season but still retain them as your player.

 

[bigj639]

Points systems and salary caps. what a complete joke. Just let the best clubs be the best clubs. What has happened to our game that we think the idea to promote fairness is to punish success. The AFL and AFL Victoria are clueless. I suppose its Peter Schwab still in charge at AFL VIC dumber than a $2 coin and a failure at every job in football but still hired each year. You want to do something useful about recruiting, maybe we should start with the games administrators and stop hiring mindless morons to screw up our game.

 

[BlueJet]

Points systems and salary caps. what a complete joke. Just let the best clubs be the best clubs. What has happened to our game that we think the idea to promote fairness is to punish success. The AFL and AFL Victoria are clueless. I suppose its Peter Schwab still in charge at AFL VIC dumber than a $2 coin and a failure at every job in football but still hired each year. You want to do something useful about recruiting, maybe we should start with the games administrators and stop hiring mindless morons to screw up our game.

Imo a points system doesn't prevent the best clubs from being the best clubs, what it does is limit clubs throwing cash blindly at players in order to attain success and encourages clubs to get their junior setup in order to promote from within.
If the points system were in place at present - Abers or Greenvale would still be on top of Premier and EDS or Craigieburn would still be on top of div 1.

I do agree that a salary cap will be hard to police however, as players getting jobs through sponsors etc will be sure to increase.

 

[Turbos mail]

Not a mad idea, but would need to work more like English premier league where you loan players out for the season but still retain them as your player.

Bigj, you need to post more as you seem intelligent. Like your work..

 

[tigertony]

Having a quick read of this weekend's The Footballer I noticed on page 12 an advert for end of season or premiership hoodies in club colours ......the line "order now before too late" made me laugh ...... I'm sure they've got heaps of the two blues coloured hoodies printed already..... Just the margin to go on them

My tips........ Abers on a wet coburg City oval to win by 47 points
Pacco with a full list to pick from wins by 35 ..... With a few out it will be 7 points

 

[EDFL knowitall]

Nathan grima just announced on Sen he's playing at Strathmore next year

 

[Turbos mail]

My tips for the weekend finals are:

Abers by 90pts. Just to good in all positions and game will be over 10mins into the 2nd qrt with Abers easing off in the last to win by 90. I'm not sure how you contain blokes like Graham, McLean, Blackwell, Riemers & co

Pacco by 5pts. Should be a tight close game. I just think if Paccos mids can control the tempo and get good delivery to Warren they should win a thriller. Keilors 2 prong forward line could cause some headaches so it could go either way.

 

[EDFL knowitall]

My tips for the weekend finals are:

Abers by 90pts. Just to good in all positions and game will be over 10mins into the 2nd qrt with Abers easing off in the last to win by 90. I'm not sure how you contain blokes like Graham, McLean, Blackwell, Riemers & co

Pacco by 5pts. Should be a tight close game. I just think if Paccos mids can control the tempo and get good delivery to Warren they should win a thriller. Keilors 2 prong forward line could cause some headaches so it could go either way.

Deluca is a very talented ruckman, expect campansio to take riemers. Brewer, lower, Maric and Nanya are just as handy in the middle on there day.
Question is can Abers handle the pressure.... Good teams like mores '12, Greenvale '08 & '09 and Keilor '03 have struggled with unbeAten home and away season
Abers in a tight one say 1-24. But come grand final if they to meet again it will be harder to beat a team 4 times in a year

 

[Subway]

So Grima confirmed on SEN that he will be at Strathmore next year... Can anyone in the know how at Strathmore comment on how the meeting with the Carouso brother went last night?