Enough from the disloyal spoilt ones

[Tedeski]

I posted this on another thread in response to some negative backlash from some of our supporters.

Have a good think about what this group has given us!!



What do you want? Are you saying you want us to finish bottom now for two years in order to pick up a Thomas or Pendlebery as Collingwood did after playing in two Grand Finals. Most of Collingwoods new up & coming players consist of early draft picks as 'reward' for mediocrity in those years after those two GFs.

Hey, guess what? We at least won one of those things & missed out by a point in the other & have played in finals for every year since Rodney Eade took over bar one or two.

That's 10 years out of 12 years in the finals for 3 GFs & 1 Premiership!!
That's a 25% strike rate for GFs.

How many for Collingwood in that time? How many bottom 4 finishes for them in that time.

My friend, we have been victims of our own success.
And we are not out stuffed for next year as many would like to think.
We lost 2 games by a point & drew another. That would have put us in 2nd place with our superior %.
All this 'overachievement' got us to this point????

Please people ............................go & follow another club because that's all some people deserve.

May I suggest the Doggies! Great bunch of young (early drafts) kids. Or the Saints. 40 - 60 % of their team are top ten draft picks because they hadn't left the bottom few positions of the ladder for ages before they finally started playing finals again. And all this young talent but still couldn't make the cut this year.
Carlton will be the new St Kilda. Year after year of mediocrity will give them all this talent on their list, but it won't get them anywhere.

Even West Coast did a stint down the bottom for a few years.
The worst we have finished was 12 once & 9th or 10th the other time we missed the finals.
Let me remind everyone NOW that we DID have injuries through the last two years but the guys were able to carry them. LRT played the last six weeks last year with a stress fracture in his foot which has kept him out all year this year. How is that fortunate. No Crouch last year or most of this year. He was one of our better players tonight. May I remind everyone that he also was player of the final series in 2005!

So if all you spoilt Swans supporters want to keep bagging these guys that gave us another little sniff just before half time tonight, nick off & leave us loyal supporters alone because I've had enough of listening to it. Perhaps find a Bulldog, Freo or St Kilda supporter to befriend so you can all winge together about how hard it's been.

Give Collingwood a BIG PAT on the back for finishing bottom for a few years after playing in two GFs. That's not overachieving is it!!

Good night to you all!!

 

[Undisputed_King]

while this group has given us a lot to cheer over the last couple of years, it does not provide them with immunity from criticism. that's the nature of the beast.

i understand you are a very loyal supporter, but when criticsm is due, then it must be said, the players themselves will be the first to concede that they were terrible tonight

 

[CAS79]

Some players were not that good tonight but we also have to say that this year and tonight Collingwood outplayed us and where better than us, I don’t think we were all that bad but we were unable to much the speed and efficiency Collingwood used against us tonight and it was telling.

 

[Pie eyed]

The Swans have been "up" for three years and this is very hard to maintain in modern football.
Injuries take their toll and it was obvious that Barry Hall was not fit.


Don't lose faith on an early exit from the finals. At least you were there....
The Pies are really a good quality team on the right night and when everything clicks we are the measure of any team.

The true test of a supporter is that they don't jump off the bandwagon just because your team loses.

I am a Collingwood supporter and I've been on the bandwagon for 39 years with only 1 flag....still love em.

So there is always next year.

 

[Footylover1]

The Swans have been "up" for three years and this is very hard to maintain in modern football.
Injuries take their toll and it was obvious that Barry Hall was not fit.


Don't lose faith on an early exit from the finals. At least you were there....
The Pies are really a good quality team on the right night and when everything clicks we are the measure of any team.

The true test of a supporter is that they don't jump off the bandwagon just because your team loses.

I am a Collingwood supporter and I've been on the bandwagon for 39 years with only 1 flag....still love em.

So there is always next year.

Thanks for the kind words.

I was redcarded for calling someone a turncoat after they had threatened to tear up their membership and I thought that was a bit harsh.

The original poster to this thread is correct. The Swans fans should stick by their club instead of tearing up memberships. I supported them through 3 wooden sppons in a row, and never once thought of changing clubs. I hate fickle football fans. And I don't care if I was redcarded for calling someone a turncoat, I was doing what I thought was right. And that is having a go at fickle supporters.

 

[Tedeski]

The Swans have been "up" for three years and this is very hard to maintain in modern football.
Injuries take their toll and it was obvious that Barry Hall was not fit.


Don't lose faith on an early exit from the finals. At least you were there....
The Pies are really a good quality team on the right night and when everything clicks we are the measure of any team.

The true test of a supporter is that they don't jump off the bandwagon just because your team loses.

I am a Collingwood supporter and I've been on the bandwagon for 39 years with only 1 flag....still love em.

So there is always next year.

And you deserve every bit of success that your team brings you.
Good Luck for your exciting team.

Thanks for the kind words.

I was redcarded for calling someone a turncoat after they had threatened to tear up their membership and I thought that was a bit harsh.

The original poster to this thread is correct. The Swans fans should stick by their club instead of tearing up memberships. I supported them through 3 wooden sppons in a row, and never once thought of changing clubs. I hate fickle football fans. And I don't care if I was redcarded for calling someone a turncoat, I was doing what I thought was right. And that is having a go at fickle supporters.

Exactly where I am coming from. The players will have a nice rest, have their ops, a good pre season & away they go again.
They are absolute guns!

 

[magic.merkin]

i agree, so many haters going nuts. it's quite simple.

*key players have had injuries, and some we dont even know about im sure.
*it was/is a very even season so many clubs are up/down(however u choose to look at it)
*we lost some close games.
*we didnt play well tonight.
*we had an undersized,unexperienced,disorganised backline for most of the year. some may argue we have been undersized for over a decade.

thats it. thats why we didnt have a double chance, missed out by a brown goal . but we still made the finals. we will still have most of our side back next year minus whoever gets culled, and with some new additions. and another season of experience under the belt of our up and commers.

roos and co will have some thinking to do, and some strategies to nut out.

but all in all im looking forward to a fresh start with no expectations (compared to the last 2 years.) injuries healed and over 50% of our premiership players still playing and for once fit and healthy for 2008.

 

[Pie eyed]

It is too easy to let the dissappointment of one loss in an important game get the better of you but is the "disappointmnets which make the "successes" so outstanding.

After the Pies flag of 1990 I started a business, purchased a house and had a daughter....all in some way related to the euphoria of of that win...albeit just a bit.

Sometimes it can be easy to forget that it IS just a game and noone dies.

We have had our fair share of detractors on the Pies thread...but this week they are somehow silent....lol

 

[carsoutback]

Can we forget the injuries excuse? We've had more worries this year certainly but none moreso than any other team. A team that goes into the finals with only one player missing can hardly complain. And remember the team we played tonight spent alot of the year without Buckley, Didak & Clement - we wouldn't have made the 8 if we had players of A-A quality missing so many games.

By the only measure we have, 6 other clubs now have a better first-22 (We only won 3 out of 11 against them this year). You might (might!) argue that the Roos and West Coast will not get any better, but the other 4 are all on the way up. We are clearly not. So let's not be too hard on the coach and players, others have gone past us and we're just not that good anymore. There's nothing embarassing or shameful about it, just the way it is.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

It is too easy to let the dissappointment of one loss in an important game get the better of you but is the "disappointmnets which make the "successes" so outstanding.

After the Pies flag of 1990 I started a business, purchased a house and had a daughter....all in some way related to the euphoria of of that win...albeit just a bit.

Sometimes it can be easy to forget that it IS just a game and noone dies.

We have had our fair share of detractors on the Pies thread...but this week they are somehow silent....lol

So true, so true. I know it's not everything, if it was everything then i'd have to have a pretty sad life lol. The most frustrating thing is the way the doomsayers jump on board as soon as we show signs of fading, totally forgetting how successful we've been over the past 4 seasons. Three prelims in 4 years before this year, and we've been in the finals almost every year since 1996, that's something to be proud of.

 

[Bloodborn]

There have been generations of Swan fans live and die inbetween Flags. I think it denegrates the persistance and passion of those supporters and teams through the lean 72 year period for us now to bemoan an exit in the first week of the finals.

This is not accepting failure or thinking 7th place was 'good enough' - we all wanted more and the team is obviously capable of more.

This has been (comparatively) a golden age to be a Swan member / supporter. The Blood spirit lived on through far, far tougher times than this. To moan now would give creadance to the southerners view of Sydney supporters as real fair weather footy fans.

 

[Tedeski]

Can we forget the injuries excuse? We've had more worries this year certainly but none moreso than any other team. A team that goes into the finals with only one player missing can hardly complain. And remember the team we played tonight spent alot of the year without Buckley, Didak & Clement - we wouldn't have made the 8 if we had players of A-A quality missing so many games.

By the only measure we have, 6 other clubs now have a better first-22 (We only won 3 out of 11 against them this year). You might (might!) argue that the Roos and West Coast will not get any better, but the other 4 are all on the way up. We are clearly not. So let's not be too hard on the coach and players, others have gone past us and we're just not that good anymore. There's nothing embarassing or shameful about it, just the way it is.

Every team in the finals has a few players on their last legs. what questions will be asked of the Kangas if they bow out in straight sets after having such a wonderful year. Will Laidley be reappointed only to have a few older players struggle. Remember, some of the players that have been instrumental in the Kangas success this year are on the wrong end of their careers. Simpson, Grant, Harvey, Archer. These guys are the glue that has held the young blokes togather.

No guarantees for any teams next year folks. No guarantees.

We'll be up there again next year because that's what the Bloods do. Always get the most out of themselves. And we have Roos as coach. That's already an advantage on most other teams.

I'm looking forward to the break & to next year.

 

[SOPH_CROSS]

well spoken 2 the poster of this thread

yeah it sucks we lost we all would have loved 2 see our team keep on going but im sure thats would be the same with the crows and the losers 2 2days games! We all just have 2 deal with it and move on...why give up on ur team over a loss it happens all the time!

Like i have said in a few other threads...seasons done...time for a rest and to assess injuries look at some new plans and bring on the pre season and 2008!

Swans are playing so well and after being in back to back grandfinals we can only get better!

We finished in the top 8 something i was very happy 2 see even if we didnt get the whole way!

Well done Swannies and good Swannies supporterss and also well done 2 the swannies supporters who congradulated the Pies fans!

Looking forward to 2008

 

[xxscubaxx]

there is nothing disloyal about saying its time to rebuild.. get rid of players such as crouch and mathews and let some young players have a run to create some depth to our team.

 

[ChikoRoll]

This is why the swans have been crap for so long. Our supporters need a bit of mongrel. Sure its only footy but that in itself is such a simplistic view and a cop out.

 

[opng]

This is why the swans have been crap for so long. Our supporters need a bit of mongrel. Sure its only footy but that in itself is such a simplistic view and a cop out.

Your spot on yesterday i posted that we had good chance to make a prelim then a few jumped in to say basically quiet take it one at a time, we have been a regular finals participant for a number of years now, made the last two Grand finals and won a premiership, christ we should be loud and arogant, not tiptoe through a conversation about how good we are, thats what i admire about collingwood supporters, they always think there gona win no matter what and are very loud when there successful, gee our side comes from the harbour city, you talk to anyone from sydney and they'll tell ya their the best at everything that was ever invented. I just dont understand how supporters can have an attitude like that when we've been so good for so long. we should be thinking we'll rebuild over the summer and take it out next year, we are that damn good. And to all the magpie supporters well done good luck and take it out cause well be back next year to take it off you.

 

[No1SwansFan]

The Swans have been "up" for three years and this is very hard to maintain in modern football.
Injuries take their toll and it was obvious that Barry Hall was not fit.


Don't lose faith on an early exit from the finals. At least you were there....
The Pies are really a good quality team on the right night and when everything clicks we are the measure of any team.

The true test of a supporter is that they don't jump off the bandwagon just because your team loses.

I am a Collingwood supporter and I've been on the bandwagon for 39 years with only 1 flag....still love em.

So there is always next year.

Cheers! Great post couldnt agree more! Guys stay on board there is so much more for the swans to come with the like of Schmidt and Barlow just give them a chance.

 

[xxscubaxx]

I think alot of it comes from the Sth Melb and early 90's Sydney sides where success was a very rare occasion. I for one will never get a big head and loud mouth like that possessed by collingwood supporters and definately do not admire it. also i think its just that we as supporters have a bit more class, simple as that.

 

[VanBerlo=God]

i thought the game plan was terrible - too defensive and not attacking enough.

i thought the players didn't care enough, or just thought rocking up to the game would be enough to get a win.

i thought several selected players were a bit iffy tonight.

i thought several players, especially bevan, mcfag & l.barry cost us a very expensive price for their being in the team, especially when about 3 l.barry turnovers led directly to goals, and same with bevan.

i think the midfield was terrible, crouch, j.bolton and mcfag didn't deserve to be out there.

i thought schnider was ok in bits, damn ordinary in the rest.

i thought barlow tried as best as he could, but was average at best.

i thought the selection of b.hall was a very big mistake, which i said frequently, and directly influenced the team. he didn't play last week and mol & davis kick 4 each. He plays this week, and they kick bugger all goals, and davis has 3 possessions(??).

i think jolly has to reasses his playing career and determine if he wants to play for sydney or elsewhere, because for that insipid performance he should be shot - being beaten comprehensively by Fraser is completely unacceptable. The guy isn't even a ruckman, hes a pretender.

I think Roos really needs to revise the playing list. At least 4 senior players NEED to be axed outright, and/or at least several more need to retire/move on.

btw based on that performance itself, theres no way im renewing my membership next year, took me bloody ages to have enough money to get one, and they perform this badly throughout the year, so screw it.

 

[Liesha]

i thought the game plan was terrible - too defensive and not attacking enough.

i thought the players didn't care enough, or just thought rocking up to the game would be enough to get a win.

i thought several selected players were a bit iffy tonight.

i thought several players, especially bevan, mcfag & l.barry cost us a very expensive price for their being in the team, especially when about 3 l.barry turnovers led directly to goals, and same with bevan.

i think the midfield was terrible, crouch, j.bolton and mcfag didn't deserve to be out there.

i thought schnider was ok in bits, damn ordinary in the rest.

i thought barlow tried as best as he could, but was average at best.

i thought the selection of b.hall was a very big mistake, which i said frequently, and directly influenced the team. he didn't play last week and mol & davis kick 4 each. He plays this week, and they kick bugger all goals, and davis has 3 possessions(??).

i think jolly has to reasses his playing career and determine if he wants to play for sydney or elsewhere, because for that insipid performance he should be shot - being beaten comprehensively by Fraser is completely unacceptable. The guy isn't even a ruckman, hes a pretender.

I think Roos really needs to revise the playing list. At least 4 senior players NEED to be axed outright, and/or at least several more need to retire/move on.

btw based on that performance itself, theres no way im renewing my membership next year, took me bloody ages to have enough money to get one, and they perform this badly throughout the year, so screw it.

Cool, I know some people who would gladly take your spot as a Swans member.

 

[Jizza9]

i thought several players, especially bevan, mcfag & l.barry cost us a very expensive price for their being in the team, especially when about 3 l.barry turnovers led directly to goals, and same with bevan.

i think the midfield was terrible, crouch, j.bolton and mcfag didn't deserve to be out there.

i thought schnider was ok in bits, damn ordinary in the rest.

i thought barlow tried as best as he could, but was average at best.

i thought the selection of b.hall was a very big mistake

So you wouldn't have had the following players in the team?
Bevan
McVeigh
L Barry
Crouch
J. Bolton
B. Hall

And possibly not these 2.
Barlow
Schnieder

So I'm interested to know who you would have had in place of these 6 (or 8) players that would have made our performance better?

 

[rancidpants13]

there is nothing disloyal about saying its time to rebuild.. get rid of players such as crouch and mathews and let some young players have a run to create some depth to our team.

crouch at least had the partial excuse of injuries, but mathews, mcveigh, bevan, davis and schneider are, as far as we know, fit enough to be selected in a finals team....
as for disloyalty, give us a break....there's no hysterical call (well, not from me) to tear up memberships, change teams, give up on the mighty swans....but we're entitled to have a say....
in years to come we'll all look back with great fondness on the likes of crouch, mathews and barry, and all our GF 05 heroes, and in fact this whole great squad, but right now, the reality is they are no longer up to the best players/best teams in the league....obviously we can't get rid of all of them, but some are now simply taking positions that should go to younger blokes....we have tried the least number of new players this season of all clubs, and it shows....

 

[No1SwansFan]

btw based on that performance itself, theres no way im renewing my membership next year, took me bloody ages to have enough money to get one, and they perform this badly throughout the year, so screw it.

Shows your loyalty.

 

[rancidpants13]

So you wouldn't have had the following players in the team?
Bevan
McVeigh
L Barry
Crouch
J. Bolton
B. Hall

And possibly not these 2.
Barlow
Schnieder

So I'm interested to know who you would have had in place of these 6 (or 8) players that would have made our performance better?

no, those players all had to be in the 22, with the possible exception of hall based ONLY on the previous week....and that is the problem
there's hardly anyone coming through, or been given enough games to show themselves up to the task....
of that list, at least 4 players need to show something in the pre-season to be sure of spots in the first 22 for opening round 2008
that's just a fact of football life.....

look at the team that beat us, c'wood....i would love to have just half the number of good young kids they tried in 07

 

[lazy]

This is a good thread.

There is a balance between loyalty and speaking your mind.

My loyalty side says the Bloods have given us some memories over the last decade. 2005 will be the season to remember. While we have not had a dynasty we have managed to snag a flag with a very workmanlike list. We also are respected the most out of any team in the league. Our ethos is well known and all other clubs fear and respect the Bloods This in itself is something to be proud of. We dont feed on the bottom of the ladder making 5-10 year plans. We try and win it every year I would prefer our club continue to follow that plan.

I was at the Pies game and to be honest after losing by a point in a GF it was a pretty easy pill to swallow losing by 5 goals in a elimination final. I guess in my heart of hearts I didnt think we were going to go all the way anyway while last year I thought we would.


The speaking my mind side says that we should have spent more time this year introducing younger players so they were ready to step up when we were to have injuries. Sometimes Roos puzzles me with his selections and tactics but he has a better football brain than I and has the results on the board. Doesnt mean I cant question decisions. Here are some?

1. Why was Malceski playing in the forward line when we so needed his creativity coming out of the back half?

2. Why do we persist with Bevan? His decisions are shocking.

3. Why do we play B.Hall half fit where all he does is attract a crowd?

4. Spida was a big gamble. One year too late.

5. When we play on run we kick goals. When we play slow the opposition floods back and we dont kick goals.

6. The new holding the ball interpretation has killed our stoppages game plan. We now need to play on and run and rely on the talent in our forward line.


This doesnt mean that I am disloyal as I am fiercely loyal. It just means that I can speak my mind. We should allow other Swans members to do the same and not bag them. BUT if those same fans want respect then they have to balance this with loyalty.