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No. I think the sky's the limit. But the comment was more about the value of Cameron.Potential star? Your taking the Mickey now.
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No. I think the sky's the limit. But the comment was more about the value of Cameron.Potential star? Your taking the Mickey now.
If he is playing with recurring injury issues he aint playing as a star.Potential star? Your taking the Mickey now.
Having zero football smarts isn’t an injury but I get what your sayingIf he is playing with recurring injury issues he aint playing as a star.
Zero Smarts. Playing on ball maybe , but I am still not sure even then. Playing as a Key forward you dont need smarts you need a midfield providing quality supply.Having zero football smarts isn’t an injury but I get what your saying
Ben Brown gets thrown out of North as no good and then when he gets his chance in front of quality ball movement, in finals too, he looks a different player.
Zero Smarts. Playing on ball maybe , but I am still not sure even then. Playing as a Key forward you dont need smarts you need a midfield providing quality supply.
Ben Brown gets thrown out of North as no good and then when he gets his chance in front of quality ball movement, in finals too, he looks a different player.
Esava as a designated target has the tools, as a decoy 3rd tall this year he looked lost. His work v WCE in a Semi , two years ago when he received ball to advantage showed what he could do . v. Barass no less.
Would be madness to not keep him.
Ben brown is a terrible exampleZero Smarts. Playing on ball maybe , but I am still not sure even then. Playing as a Key forward you dont need smarts you need a midfield providing quality supply.
Ben Brown gets thrown out of North as no good and then when he gets his chance in front of quality ball movement, in finals too, he looks a different player.
Esava as a designated target has the tools, as a decoy 3rd tall this year he looked lost. His work v WCE in a Semi , two years ago when he received ball to advantage showed what he could do . v. Barass no less.
Would be madness to not keep him.
Ben brown is a terrible example
He kicked 60+ goals in 3 of his last 4 years
With the 4th him being injured.
You need footy smarts to play afl at a high level, athleticism only gets you so far.
A midfielder can have all the smarts in the world but if he leads to the wrong spots he won’t get used.
This isn’t the Olden days anymore, forwards need to be more than just stay at home FF
It’s the lack of knowledge in games that gets me, then once a month he takes 4 marks in a 1/4 and think we’re on here.
Just don’t think he has what it takes to be a strong afl player.
Myself and my mates all joke who has the worst player in the comp.
All similar players,
Tim Obrien
Mason Cox
Sav
Considering they’re all similar, that is a terrible group to be apart of
I know you want to keep him but are you happy with him and what he’s achieved so far? Do you see glimpses of him putting a full game together?Your opinion is valid. My opinion of Esava's ability is different at this stage and will evolve as the next two years unfold, one way or the other.
GFC retaining him on the list being a good move is the main point I wanted to make.
The need for a KPF to have quality delivery to him, as a priority over other tall forwards in the same space to produce better figures stands in my mind. Playing solely as a KPF rather than in the ruck would help too.
Brown was probably not the best example - there are surely better ones. However, in 2020 he did kick 8 goals in 9 games before not being seen again in the vertical blues, was as much a factor of the North mids being beaten rather than Ben Brown losing his ability. Ben also kicked those 60+ goals as the only target up forward.
Anyway I am pleased Esava has more chances. Like others I want him to play as a KPF solely (in the VFL) and lets see what happens.
He’s lucky to not be top 10
Let this thread be a reminder to all who are writing off Esava this early. It was posted at the start of his tenth season, Esava is going into his sixth.
Not sure that thread is a good comparison with the Ratugolea situation, or that there was much support for the basis on which that thread was started & the idea of writing off Hawkins
The thread was posted after our round 4 match versus Essendon, and was questioning the value of a forward who had averaged 2.8, 2.2, 2.4 & 2.8 goals in his previous 4 seasons and if he should instead be averaging 1 goal a quarter (or 4 per match) - 2008 is the last time a player averaged over 4 goals a game, so easier said than done
The best part of that thread is how it's turned into more of a Hawkins toast thread
As you pointed out, Ratugolea is coming into his 6th season - so at what point is the discussion around him less about his potential and more focused about his actually output?
Probable the worst example ever,Brown was right up there with Cameron and Hawkins for the majority of the last 4 years as you say and if Sav ever got to that level we would be well pleased.I'm concerned he's not going to get with in a bull roar of Brown.Ben brown is a terrible example
He kicked 60+ goals in 3 of his last 4 years
With the 4th him being injured.
You need footy smarts to play afl at a high level, athleticism only gets you so far.
A midfielder can have all the smarts in the world but if he leads to the wrong spots he won’t get used.
This isn’t the Olden days anymore, forwards need to be more than just stay at home FF
It’s the lack of knowledge in games that gets me, then once a month he takes 4 marks in a 1/4 and think we’re on here.
Just don’t think he has what it takes to be a strong afl player.
Myself and my mates all joke who has the worst player in the comp.
All similar players,
Tim Obrien
Mason Cox
Sav
Considering they’re all similar, that is a terrible group to be apart of
Let this thread be a reminder to all who are writing off Esava this early. It was posted at the start of his tenth season, Esava is going into his sixth.
Like I stated in another post his fair comparison is Tim Obrien and to some extent Mason CoxProbable the worst example ever,Brown was right up there with Cameron and Hawkins for the majority of the last 4 years as you say and if Sav ever got to that level we would be well pleased.I'm concerned he's not going to get with in a bull roar of Brown.
Hawkins showed more in his first five games that Ratugolea has shown in five years. He was far better on debut, in his first and second year, has always - ALWAYS - been a much, much better and more natural footballer. It's not even close.
Some of Hawkins first afl games were better than Sav will ever produceWho said he was as good as Hawkins? I said don’t write Ratugolea off this early like so many did Hawkins. I’d hazard a guess you were one of them.
Some of Hawkins first afl games were better than Sav will ever produce
In the post you replied to I literally said I wasn’t comparing him to Hawkins. Just using Hawkins as an example of a player being written off too soon. Comprehension’s not too strong in this thread.
If 2022 is a repeat of his 2021 output and we don't start actually seeing improvement, not sure he gets to 100 games
Surely it's at the point where he should be earning games through good form - so maybe that means a good half of next season in the VFL with a focus on playing either as a tall forward or as the #1 ruck, because at this stage it's hard to say he's done enough to hold down a senior spot in either role & when spitting his time between the 2 he seems to provide even less
Not having a go at you.In the post you replied to I literally said I wasn’t comparing him to Hawkins. Just using Hawkins as an example of a player being written off too soon. Comprehension’s not too strong in this thread.