Essendon 2000 or Geelong 2007

[tin can sam]

Essendon's only loss was in Round 21..... when we had nothing to play for by your rationale, and from memory a host of stars also out.

Thanks for helping boost our point champ.

I was reposding to a different bloke who had NFI, why did you chime in?

BTW, if you read my previous posts, you'll see my opinion is that Essesndon were a better team, and Geelong were a better club.

So I didn't help prove your point, I just pointed out that one poster was being an idiot.

 

[SM10]

Here's a list of players that Geelong lost for periods throughout this year:
Jimmy Bartel
Jarrad Rooke
Tom Harley
Matthew Egan
Matthew Scarlett
Steve Johnson
Paul Chapman
Tom Harley
Joel Selwood
Cameron Ling
Mark Blake

(All of whom would probably be Essendon's best player if you had them)

Bad day champ

 

[ALM_30]

Bad day champ

Please sir, which one of those players wouldn't be in Essendon's say... best 3 if they were at your club? Better yet, best two!

I'm intigued with Hird gone (he was your best), I'd appreciate if you could name one player at your club better than any of them, except Lucas, who is better than at least a few of them (Rooke, Harley, Blake).

I'll assume your best two are Lucas and Lloyd (who is well far and gone in terms of his best).

Let's remember there are 9 premiership players, 6 All- Australians there from the past couple of seasons, a Brownlow medallist, the games best tagger, the games best defender, the rising star and a captain.

I really am looking forward to your response because I'm certain it will be amazing and typically Essendon.

Take a good look at the names I've put there, and then go for it.

 

[efcboy]

Please sir, which one of those players wouldn't be in Essendon's say... best 3 if they were at your club? Better yet, best two!

I'm intigued with Hird gone (he was your best), I'd appreciate if you could name one player at your club better than any of them, except Lucas, who is better than at least a few of them (Rooke, Harley, Blake).

I'll assume your best two are Lucas and Lloyd (who is well far and gone in terms of his best).

Let's remember there are 9 premiership players, 6 All- Australians there from the past couple of seasons, a Brownlow medallist, the games best tagger, the games best defender, the rising star and a captain.

I really am looking forward to your response because I'm certain it will be amazing and typically Essendon.

Take a good look at the names I've put there, and then go for it.

you've gone off track as this was comparing essendon 2000 to geelong 2007 but ok this is how i'd rate those geelong players compared to essendon's list:

i'd have j.bartel and g.ablett ranked equal 1st
followed by m.lloyd and s.lucas
followed by d.fletcher, m.scarlett, p.chapman
followed by a.mcphee, b.stanton, d.hille, a.lovett, m.mcveigh, j.watson
followed by t.harley, m.egan
followed by s.johnson, j.selwood
followed by c.ling
followed by j.rooke, s.gumbleton, a.davey, p.ryder, j.nash, lovett-murray, houli, monfries, jetta, winderlich, peverill, welsh, j johnson, dempsey, m.michael, laycock
then a big gap to the big dud:

m.blake (he's hopeless around the ground and struggles in the ruck - couldn't even beat bryan or richards!)

 

[ALM_30]

you've gone off track as this was comparing essendon 2000 to geelong 2007 but ok this is how i'd rate those geelong players compared to essendon's list:

i'd have j.bartel and g.ablett ranked equal 1st
followed by m.lloyd and s.lucas
followed by d.fletcher, m.scarlett, p.chapman
followed by a.mcphee, b.stanton, d.hille, a.lovett, m.mcveigh, j.watson
followed by t.harley, m.egan
followed by s.johnson, j.selwood
followed by c.ling
followed by j.rooke, s.gumbleton, a.davey, p.ryder, j.nash, lovett-murray, houli, monfries, jetta, winderlich, peverill, welsh, j johnson, dempsey, m.michael, laycock
then a big gap to the big dud:

m.blake (he's hopeless around the ground and struggles in the ruck - couldn't even beat bryan or richards!)

My god you are a fool to think that D. Fletcher or Matthew Lloyd or Scott Lucas are better than Matthew Scarlett or Paul Chapman. My god that is so ignorant. Even other Essendon fans would (and should) think that is stupid. You are talking about an over the hill FF and a premadonna CHF (who are champs, but are past their best football), up against the games best defender and probably Geelong's 2nd best player when on song.

Not only that but saying Lovett, McVeigh, Hille, Stanton, McPhee and Watson are better than Geelong's captain, the AA CHB and the games best tagger! I have alost all respect for your opinions, and there needs to be other Bombers come on here in response and put your rediculousness in place. May god have mercy on us all, if you believe what you just wrote and it isn't just some sick joke.

Do you watch football outside of Essendon, do you have any knowledge of the game. You must be like 8 years old or something, surely, because otherwise I cannot fathom what you have said, and comprehend what makes you think in such an obscene manner.

Rest assured that is in my top 10 for most stupid comments posted on Big Footy. Have a good look at yourself sir.

I literally feel ill after that. There simply is no way you can justify successfully what you have written. LOL!

 

[Monkeyboy]

I also feel ill.

.mcphee, b.stanton, d.hille, a.lovett, m.mcveigh, j.watson

are not in the Ling or Steve johnson class. It is silly to say they are.

 

[SM10]

Please sir, which one of those players wouldn't be in Essendon's say... best 3 if they were at your club? Better yet, best two!

I'm intigued with Hird gone (he was your best), I'd appreciate if you could name one player at your club better than any of them, except Lucas, who is better than at least a few of them (Rooke, Harley, Blake).

I'll assume your best two are Lucas and Lloyd (who is well far and gone in terms of his best).

Let's remember there are 9 premiership players, 6 All- Australians there from the past couple of seasons, a Brownlow medallist, the games best tagger, the games best defender, the rising star and a captain.

I really am looking forward to your response because I'm certain it will be amazing and typically Essendon.

Take a good look at the names I've put there, and then go for it.

Well first of all the statement was all of those players would be Essendon's best player.

Secondly it is hard to compare most of these players to our best 3, which would be Lucas, Fletcher and Lloyd, all KPP whilst many of the Geelong players mentioned are midfielders. Only KPP players there are Egan and Scarlett, maybe Harley.

I wasn't arguing that 7 or 8 Geelong players would walk into our team and be the best player, but this bloke said any of Rooke, Harley, Selwood or Blake would be Essendon's best player, hence the response..

 

[ALM_30]

Well first of all the statement was all of those players would be Essendon's best player.

Secondly it is hard to compare most of these players to our best 3, which would be Lucas, Fletcher and Lloyd, all KPP whilst many of the Geelong players mentioned are midfielders. Only KPP players there are Egan and Scarlett, maybe Harley.

I wasn't arguing that 7 or 8 Geelong players would walk into our team and be the best player, but this bloke said any of Rooke, Harley, Selwood or Blake would be Essendon's best player, hence the response..

First of all I said they would probably be Essendon's best player, entailing they would be there or thereabouts, which the fact is all of them would, except Blake, and possibly Rooke.

So I will concede those two over exaggerations.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Not a stupid thread its a fair question, and yes i'd also have to say we were better simply because until round 21, not only did we not lose, but we did not come close to losing, no-one got near us. However, Geelong had a superb season, and if it weren't for their shaky start, may well have had a better season than us in 2000.

Melbourne and Sydney were touch and go. Also behind Adelaide at 3/4 time at the Docklands until Longy took off in the last quarter.

reserve voting for the time being.

 

[windyhill]

28 games one loss, goodnight kitty cats.

 

[Giggidy Giggidy]

Melbourne and Sydney were touch and go. Also behind Adelaide at 3/4 time at the Docklands until Longy took off in the last quarter.

reserve voting for the time being.

We beat Melbourne by 13 & 60.
We beat Sydney by 13.
We beat Adelaide by 48.

Other than the 1 loss, nobody got within 2 goals of us.

Geelong lost 4 games & beat Adelaide by 7; Collingwood by 5.

Thats 6 performances inferior to our second worst.

 

[eb075]

Here's a list of players that Geelong lost for periods throughout this year:
Jimmy Bartel
Jarrad Rooke
Tom Harley
Matthew Egan
Matthew Scarlett
Steve Johnson
Paul Chapman
Tom Harley
Joel Selwood
Cameron Ling
Mark Blake

You've been waging this fight between you and SM10 but I want to know how you went from comparing the 2000 Ess and the 2007 Gee teams to being the 2007 gee vs the 2007 Ess and claimign it proves your point.

This is a great list of players but it has to be looked at against our 2000 list:
Hird
Fletcher (2000 version)
Lloyd (2000 version)
Long
Bewick
Wellman
Hardwick
Mercuri
Misiti
Johnson (2000 version)
Johnson (2000 version)
Caracella
Barnes (2000 version)
Hird (deserves mentioning twice)

 

[ALM_30]

You've been waging this fight between you and SM10 but I want to know how you went from comparing the 2000 Ess and the 2007 Gee teams to being the 2007 gee vs the 2007 Ess and claimign it proves your point.

This is a great list of players but it has to be looked at against our 2000 list:
Hird
Fletcher (2000 version)
Lloyd (2000 version)
Long
Bewick
Wellman
Hardwick
Mercuri
Misiti
Johnson (2000 version)
Johnson (2000 version)
Caracella
Barnes (2000 version)
Hird (deserves mentioning twice)

I've already given my opinion on the thread issue and I said Essendon were the better team, who had the better season.

I went through all the individual match- up's that would probably eventuate on field, and I looked at the stats from the respective seasons and Essenon were the better side, not by much though, it's very, very close.

This other issue that I have brought up started purely out of an ignorant Essendon supporter saying Geelong were carried by individuals in 2007, and I corrected him saying that they clearly weren't, it just festered from there, as I pointed out the list of injuries to star players the Cats had throughout the year, and that any of them would probably be Essendon's best player if you had them, proving the point THEY WEREN'T CARRIED BY INDIVIDUALS.

PS: I never claimed it proved my point about the thread issue at all.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

We beat Melbourne by 13 & 60.
We beat Sydney by 13.
We beat Adelaide by 48.

Other than the 1 loss, nobody got within 2 goals of us.

Geelong lost 4 games & beat Adelaide by 7; Collingwood by 5.

Thats 6 performances inferior to our second worst.

Think you'll find late Essendon goals in the Sydney and Melbourne games. Neither were convincing wins.

As said for the Adelaide. They won the first three quarters. But got slaughtered in the last.

The reason I'm tempted to vote Geelong is the grand final. Otherwise give it to Essendon.

 

[Giggidy Giggidy]

Think you'll find late Essendon goals in the Sydney and Melbourne games. Neither were convincing wins.

As said for the Adelaide. They won the first three quarters. But got slaughtered in the last.

The reason I'm tempted to vote Geelong is the grand final. Otherwise give it to Essendon.

Football is a game of 4 quarters, so the fact that late goals were decisive in those two games is irrelevant. The Bombers did enough to win, and never really looked like losing either.

As for Adelaide, they only led by 2 points at 3/4 time, so they barely won the first 3 quarters. And then were blown out of the water. A 48 point win is convincing regardless of the circumstances.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Football is a game of 4 quarters, so the fact that late goals were decisive in those two games is irrelevant. The Bombers did enough to win, and never really looked like losing either.

As for Adelaide, they only led by 2 points at 3/4 time, so they barely won the first 3 quarters. And then were blown out of the water. A 48 point win is convincing regardless of the circumstances.

Giiggidy, bear in mind I was replying to this.

because until round 21, not only did we not lose, but we did not come close to losing, no-one got near us

Melbourne and Sydney got near us. Both games decided in time on. That's getting 'near'.

 

[eb075]

I've already given my opinion on the thread issue and I said Essendon were the better team, who had the better season.

I went through all the individual match- up's that would probably eventuate on field, and I looked at the stats from the respective seasons and Essenon were the better side, not by much though, it's very, very close.

This other issue that I have brought up started purely out of an ignorant Essendon supporter saying Geelong were carried by individuals in 2007, and I corrected him saying that they clearly weren't, it just festered from there, as I pointed out the list of injuries to star players the Cats had throughout the year, and that any of them would probably be Essendon's best player if you had them, proving the point THEY WEREN'T CARRIED BY INDIVIDUALS.

PS: I never claimed it proved my point about the thread issue at all.

Yeah that's cool. I just thought it started to move into a 07 Gee vs 07 Ess. Personally I think the reason the 2 teams were so dominant was the depth of their teams. At any given point Ess 2000 would have had 25-26 who would be starters in any other team. This allowed them to cover injuries and, toward the end, Sheeds even rested players that wouldn't normally. Those injuries you listed for Gee showed how much they were able to cover them.

 

[efcboy]

I've already given my opinion on the thread issue and I said Essendon were the better team, who had the better season.

I went through all the individual match- up's that would probably eventuate on field, and I looked at the stats from the respective seasons and Essenon were the better side, not by much though, it's very, very close.

This other issue that I have brought up started purely out of an ignorant Essendon supporter saying Geelong were carried by individuals in 2007, and I corrected him saying that they clearly weren't, it just festered from there, as I pointed out the list of injuries to star players the Cats had throughout the year, and that any of them would probably be Essendon's best player if you had them, proving the point THEY WEREN'T CARRIED BY INDIVIDUALS.

PS: I never claimed it proved my point about the thread issue at all.

geelong were more reliant on individuals than essendon were back in the 2000 era. if geelongs players (selwood excluded) are so damn good then where the hell were they in 2006 when they didn't even make the finals! In 1999 essendon were missing James Hird (foot stress fracture), Scott Lucas (broken leg) and Jason Johnson (foot/ankle) for the majority of the season yet still made a prelim final going down by a point. What's geelong excuse in 2006?!

I think essendon had a much better list/team at that moment in time than geelong do currently.

 

[tin can sam]

geelong were more reliant on individuals than essendon were back in the 2000 era. if geelongs players (selwood excluded) are so damn good then where the hell were they in 2006 when they didn't even make the finals! In 1999 essendon were missing James Hird (foot stress fracture), Scott Lucas (broken leg) and Jason Johnson (foot/ankle) for the majority of the season yet still made a prelim final going down by a point. What's geelong excuse in 2006?!

I think essendon had a much better list/team at that moment in time than geelong do currently.

The previous year isn't relevant.

We may have been more reliant on individuals then Essendon of 2000, but that certainly dosn't mean we relied on on individuals much. It simply says alot about Essendons even team performance.

 

[efcboy]

We may have been more reliant on individuals then Essendon of 2000, but that certainly dosn't mean we relied on on individuals much. It simply says alot about Essendons even team performance.

you've nailed it - thats exactly my point.

 

[tin can sam]

you've nailed it - thats exactly my point.

I know, but you made it seem like Geelong were reliant on individuals, when we were a very even team.

 

[Metallica_Man]

you've gone off track as this was comparing essendon 2000 to geelong 2007 but ok this is how i'd rate those geelong players compared to essendon's list:

i'd have j.bartel and g.ablett ranked equal 1st
followed by m.lloyd and s.lucas
followed by d.fletcher, m.scarlett, p.chapman
followed by a.mcphee, b.stanton, d.hille, a.lovett, m.mcveigh, j.watson
followed by t.harley, m.egan
followed by s.johnson, j.selwood
followed by c.ling
followed by j.rooke, s.gumbleton, a.davey, p.ryder, j.nash, lovett-murray, houli, monfries, jetta, winderlich, peverill, welsh, j johnson, dempsey, m.michael, laycock
then a big gap to the big dud:

m.blake (he's hopeless around the ground and struggles in the ruck - couldn't even beat bryan or richards!)

Stop making a fool of yourself

 

[Tarkyn_24]

An idiotic attempt by an Essendon supporter, trying to dwell on past achievements, simply because his side has done Sweet F*** All since.

Of course the Bombers were better.

But two people can play in the living in the past game.

Who scored 5 goals in the 1990 GF?

Essendon.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

you've gone off track as this was comparing essendon 2000 to geelong 2007 but ok this is how i'd rate those geelong players compared to essendon's list:

...a load of absolute bs made up....

although the All Aussie selectors disagreed with your thoughts.

m.blake (he's hopeless around the ground and struggles in the ruck - couldn't even beat bryan or richards!)

Watch the preliminary final. The only person Bryan beat WAS Richards.

 

[SM10]

But two people can play in the living in the past game.

Can three?

Who has won more premierships?

Essendon.