Good conversation for sure. The other thing is the generation. Different game when Mainy played to how it is now. Always found it difficult if not impossible to compare players in any sport to past champs. Calls for a bit more mull and a few more beers .It's really tough isn't it? Mainy the best ball winner easily but his disposal was the worst. Embers the balanced type and Gaffy the most outside.
Great stuff to mull over a few beers! Who would be best with which surrounding team mates etc
There's only 1 Brownlow medalist amongst that group, isn't there?
He also came second with a superior season the year after he won.There's only 1 Brownlow medalist amongst that group, isn't there?
I feel like history has been kind to him a little? Or at least softened towards him. I wouldn't have been able to put him top 5 if I did this 2 years ago.
Also one season away from having as many Brownlows and more premierships than Nat Fyfe.He also came second with a superior season the year after he won.
Fyfe fined about three times that year for whacking blokes too. Pridda should be a two-time Brownlow medallist.
Fine wine#5 Shannon Hurn
Ah ol Bunga. He has started to receive the credit he deserves over the last 2 year, with improvement in the team and a spike in his number. But he has been top quality for a long time now, always high in the league for total kicks, he has been an absolute weapon with the distance and accuracy of his kicking, as well as his decision making. His kicking allows him to make kicks into the corridor that others can't, setting up many scores. He was initially expected to move into the midfield eventually when first drafted, however we discovered we couldn't move him from half back. Ultimately, the biggest success we've had this decade has been when we've built the gameplan around his strengths.
Hurn entered 2010 coming off a runner-up effort in the B+F, he really broke out as his tank had built up to the standard and he was able to use the ball more consistently. He went backwards in 2010 though, partly due to injuries. He couldn't get a run of games together due to calf issues and suspension. He was still a class act when out there though, 203 kicks and 31 handballs for the year were telling. Turn got his body right and became a crucial part of our rise to top 4 in 2011. He finished 4th in the B+F, although still underrated externally. His football smarts and brick wall of a body meant he was a very effective defender, despite a lack of pace. He seemed a man amongst boys, even with AFL players. He directed play, using his kicking to set up scoring, or maintain possession when we needed to slow the game down, as his maturity allowed him to understand what was needed. A strength of Hurn's that doesn't go down in the stats book is his kicking in from a behind, he would regularly hit targets outside 50 with ease, I think we had one of the highest score from kick ins, which turn took every time. Standout games include 30 touches (25 kicks) and 14 marks against GC, effectively slowing it down when they got momentum, and 25 touches and 3 goals against Port in a BOG effort, dobbing them from about 60.
Hurn's reliable use from defence continued in 2012. Getting high teens-mid twenties touches became close to the norm for him, rather than a big game. His aerial work became a big strength, although not the tallest, he took 22 contested marks for the year, he was too strong for any opponent and outbodied them. He drifted forward a little more often, 0.5 goals per game isn't anything to write home about, but he kicked multiples a few times from long range. His standout game was probably against North, 24 touches (23 kicks), 9 marks (2 contested) and 2 goals from half back, harshly denied a Brownlow vote. He wasn't about individual accolades, more a key cog in the team, but he again placed high in the B+F with a third place finish. His 2013 was frustrating though. Similar to 2010, he missed a large chunk through injury, although he was still good out there, including 5 contested marks against North. The 2 years he had wrecked by injury this decade, were interestingly the teams most disappointing by far, showing his importance to the squad.
He again got injured for a month in round 2 2014, however he returned and was at his best. Under Simmo he found more of the ball as he pushed up the ground a bit. He had 66 inside 50's compared to 47 rebound 50's, a ratio that was historically reversed significantly for him. His inside 50's were perfect, setting up many scores. Hurn's form had made him one of our best players, which allowed him a crack at acting captain when Glass retired. He obviously nailed it as he got the full time gig amongst multiple competitors. Hurn was a brilliant leader in 2015, although his form wasn't as strong. With injuries hitting the defence hard, Simmo had to pull him back from the role up the ground he was moulding him for to help cover holes. He was effective in intercepting and organised a makeshift defence well, enough to take it to a GF, but his individual output wasn't dominant, more reliable. His standout game came in the QF, leading a side without much finals experience against a seasoned Hawks team, Hurn set the tone with his aggression, using his body to bowl over multiple Hawks. Hurn was our leading disposal winner that night with 26, and despite normally getting the majority of his touches uncontested and not reaching double figures for contested in 18 months, he turned that ratio around with 13 contested (and only 9 uncontested, despite gaining 26 overall. I don't really understand how that's calculated). His GF was disappointing, he had a few nice kicks and set up Darling's goal, but his overall performance and leadership was down. He seemed as overawed by the occasion as the others, when the team needed a captains goal early in the second, 4 goals down at the time, he hit the post with a set shot 40 out straight in front, particularly disappointing for someone with his skills.
2016 was an extension of 2015, although slightly more free. He still played that quarterback role, accumulating masses of kicks as his leadership continued to grow. He was once again top 5 in the B+F and one of our best in the EF. His 2017 was his best yet. He snuck under the radar a bit, but his late season form was clear AA level and he ended the season the form player of the team. He wasn't just relying on being fed the ball at half back, he was finding space and winning it all over the place. More measured in his kicking these days, rather than hitting long targets, he perfected the art of the casual 40-50 metre pass. Standout games were 28 touches and 2 votes against the Dogs, 34 touches, 14 marks and a Glendinning in the Derby, where the opponents lack of skill meant they kicked it directly to him repeatedly. Hurn polled 2 more votes against the Saints and probably should have polled for 29 against the Pies. He was now genuinely one of our most influential players, but due to the teams uninspiring form, it mostly went unnoticed.
2018 was an exceptional year for the team and Hurn's form continued from late 2017, even building on that. He was the undisputed best non KPP defender in the league. He was roaming the ground finding the ball everywhere. 29 touches and 3 votes in round 3, he picked up a second Glendinning a few weeks, and by round 7 had polled in 3 games. He averaged 21 touches and 8 marks over the year, a massive increase. He was duly rewarded with AA, although inexplicably they awarded the captaincy to famed non-leader, Buddy. Hurn was dominant in the air, influencing contests everywhere and rarely missing a target. He had 430 kicks for the season, nearly 100 more than his previous high. Hurn held himself in good stead during the finals, he wasn't overawed and flew for several classy intercepts in the GF, having a very positive influence aside from 1 turnover in the first. Hurn somehow took his form to another level in 2019, taking his average up to 25 touches a game early, as well as accumulating masses of rebound 50's. In what has become an annual tradition, Hurn collected his 3rd Glendinning medal early in the year for a 32 disposal game. His form was electric, unassailable in the air, or any contest really, he seemed to be getting better and better the older he got. He was now by far the consensus best non KPP defender in the league. He was one of the most influential players in the league and was finally getting due recognition. A turning point was against the Dogs, where the calf issues that hadn't given him issues in over 5 years started to grow weary. He missed a few weeks, include the dour SCG game, and his form waned a little. His form waned a little, still elite, but not the dominance of early in the year. He was probably in our top 3 in the SF loss. People were noticing our captain now though, winning his 2nd AA in a row, although inexplicably they awarded the captaincy to famed non-leader, Fyfe. Bunga has played 269 games for the club, nearly all of them to a reasonably high quality. He has been the best disposer of the ball over the decade and could be a games record holder next year. After an extremely successful captaincy stint, Bunga made the brave call to step down, to help usher in a new leader and prolong his own career. Lets hope he gets his calves right and we can have another few years of that 2018-early 2019 form.
Some terrible Sheed comments in that thread too!Then he won a Brownlow. Who saw that coming?
Someone did.Still the best clearance mid in the comp IMO, take out the game where he was subbed off in the opening minute and he would be leading the league in clearances. I have him leading my Brownlow count and would be a worthy winner if it pans out that way. A toast!www.bigfooty.com
Priddis would be a premiership player if Tom Sheridan didn't drop that mark in the 2015 PF and let Hawthorn win. We wouldn't have made the GF without him that season.He was the hero we deserved for those years, but (as 2018 proved) not the one we needed.
It’s all good mate. I’m not going down the Priddis thread path again, I think my feelings on him as a player are clear haha.Priddis would be a premiership player if Tom Sheridan didn't drop that mark in the 2015 PF and let Hawthorn win. We wouldn't have made the GF without him that season.
To say a lack of him overall led to the 2018 flag is flat out wrong. We won in 2018 because a player slowing down retired, who was having a negative impact on the team due to injuries the previous year, not because he wasn't there at all. If we had Priddis in 2015 form playing last year, we still would've won the flag.
You're making a connection that isn't there.
My 2 cents on Josh Kennedy.
He's a workhorse not a star. Eagles fans will love him and opposition supporters will underrate him. He'll chase, tackle, crash packs and do all the dirty work in the forward line. An improved version of Earl Spalding for those old enough.
**** he's a spud.
Shitter and more unko version of the worst of Hansen and McDougall combined.
Rather just pick 3.
I don't see that Kennedy is any improvement on Hansen (injury prone) or Mitch Brown (young, but showed promise in his few games last season) or even Chad Jones. Unless West Coast have plans to ontrade him for someone else (or another pick) I don't think he'll get to play much.
Consensus was a workmanlike KPP in the mould of Ash Hansen. Whilst he looked promising in his first few years, he didn't really do that much. His first year he averaged 6 marks and 1 goal in 7 games, before kicking 31 in 16 games in 09, with 3 bags of 4 his high. Obviously KPPs take longer to hit their best, but JK was 4 years in and delivering solid, but unexceptional output. He had a lot of the requisite attributes for the role and looked promising, but there was no guarantee an elite player would emerge. A comparison for JK at the beginning of the decade is probably Eric Hipwood right now, looks to have the skills and can deliver a pretty good performance every now and then, but overall output is middling.We might not have a LLoyd or a Carey in the way of KPP but we do have Lynch, Hansen, Staker, Hunter, Seaby (when not rucking which is 80% of the game) already in the team in the forward line and who would allplay in front of Kennedy at this stage and Mitch Brown, Schofield, Mckenzie all doing well in the WAFL and pushing for selection. We can't play them all. You only really need 2 in the forward line at any one time, kempie.
So, yes, we do have too many KPP players in front of Kennedy at the moment. And if we do give game time to Kennedy it will be at the expense of one of the other younger forwards who will probably up and leave a year later due to lack of opportunity.
Kennedy would not add much to our list that is not there already. he will be a good player, but as i said it will be better for him to go to a club where he will get the investment, gametime and development he needs and better for the eagles to get a gun midfielder or another draft pick instaed of him.
Good player potentially but wrong fit for our club at this time.