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The ENTER system sucks. The fact that to get into a law course, it is best not to do legal studies is stupid. Leaving it all up to the exam is a stupid system. I don't really mind if the exam counts for 50%, but do they really have to have this stupid weighting system where if you ace normal course work (SAC's) and do pretty bad on the exam, your SAC marks come down. The year 12 exams are the first taste of REAL pressure the kids get and it can really stuff them up (year 11 exams are a joke, at least at my school). That's not what happened to me, I'm just really lazy.

I got an ENTER of around 70 (70.1 or 71.3 something like that) which meant I couldn't get into accounting at RMIT. I went to do an accounting tafe course at RMIT instead. Despite one term of struggling it was the easiest 2 years of my life. The hours were much steeper than uni but you could (and I did) miss alot of classes as long as you keep up to date or know what you were doing in the class lecture anyway. Anyway it turns out I got accepted into uni this year doing an accounting degree. I've got 2 and half years to go and I'm enjoying it (atm the work is a bit easier than tafe). I don't know how easy it is to get from TAFE to Uni in other courses, but I would recommend this pathway to alot of people. It ends up being a lot cheaper (if you can get a concession TAFE fees are really really cheap) and it only takes you 6 months longer than others.

Year 12 is the hardest studying you would do in your life IMO. The majority of people are doing subjects they don't like which deals with concepts they can't grapple. The potential of bludging and wagging classes is non existant. You have to go 6 hours a day (some free periods I suppose), 5 days a week and when you get home the last thing you want to do is study. Uni/tafe just gives you so much more time and as much as people try to scare you saying the teachers don't help you, that is bullcrap. The lecturer/tutors at uni have been much more helpfull than any high school teacher.
 
eddiesmith said:
As for subjects I did 2 maths, history, legal studies and English and got a high enter score without having to work during the year except prepare every now and then for the assessment work :thumbsu:
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This parts interesting, cos I am also doing 2 maths, Legal Studies and English, along with Business Studies.

You are quite right that you can get through the year without doing too much work, because the exams in 3 of those subjects are worth 50%. Still, I dont mind writing essays so in some respects, I would prefer writing an essay over studying for a maths test/exam.
 
jabso said:
The ENTER system sucks. The fact that to get into a law course, it is best not to do legal studies is stupid. Leaving it all up to the exam is a stupid system. I don't really mind if the exam counts for 50%, but do they really have to have this stupid weighting system where if you ace normal course work (SAC's) and do pretty bad on the exam, your SAC marks come down. The year 12 exams are the first taste of REAL pressure the kids get and it can really stuff them up (year 11 exams are a joke, at least at my school). That's not what happened to me, I'm just really lazy.

I got an ENTER of around 70 (70.1 or 71.3 something like that) which meant I couldn't get into accounting at RMIT. I went to do an accounting tafe course at RMIT instead. Despite one term of struggling it was the easiest 2 years of my life. The hours were much steeper than uni but you could (and I did) miss alot of classes as long as you keep up to date or know what you were doing in the class lecture anyway. Anyway it turns out I got accepted into uni this year doing an accounting degree. I've got 2 and half years to go and I'm enjoying it (atm the work is a bit easier than tafe). I don't know how easy it is to get from TAFE to Uni in other courses, but I would recommend this pathway to alot of people. It ends up being a lot cheaper (if you can get a concession TAFE fees are really really cheap) and it only takes you 6 months longer than others.

Year 12 is the hardest studying you would do in your life IMO. The majority of people are doing subjects they don't like which deals with concepts they can't grapple. The potential of bludging and wagging classes is non existant. You have to go 6 hours a day (some free periods I suppose), 5 days a week and when you get home the last thing you want to do is study. Uni/tafe just gives you so much more time and as much as people try to scare you saying the teachers don't help you, that is bullcrap. The lecturer/tutors at uni have been much more helpfull than any high school teacher.
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:thumbsu: Top post this.

Its also interesting because I am hoping to get into a Commerce/Administrative Management or a Commerce/Law course and I was wondering about going to TAFE to get a stepping stone into Uni if my score wasnt good enough.
 

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jabso said:
The lecturer/tutors at uni have been much more helpfull than any high school teacher.
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Hmmm, the problem at uni is you get some Asian and Indian fly-in's who don't know what they are talking about or even how to speak English and apparently they are going for PhD's. There are some good tutors though who help you out but in the end all teachers in whatever area are has-beens or never-weres. High school teachers are the latter, uni tutors/lecturers the former.
 
docker_azza said:
Especially if you are studying an Engineering or Science degree.
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Yeah, you really have to think in those subjects. Fortunately the course I'm doing deals with subjects like economics, marketing, which is all jargon-based, although the programming subjects are more science/maths oriented.
 
The ENTER system sucks. The fact that to get into a law course, it is best not to do legal studies is stupid. Leaving it all up to the exam is a stupid system. I don't really mind if the exam counts for 50%, but do they really have to have this stupid weighting system where if you ace normal course work (SAC's) and do pretty bad on the exam, your SAC marks come down. The year 12 exams are the first taste of REAL pressure the kids get and it can really stuff them up (year 11 exams are a joke, at least at my school). That's not what happened to me, I'm just really lazy.
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The SAC marks come down because in the exam you are being compared to the entire state, rather than just the other people at your school. An A at one school might be the equivalent standard of a C at another school. Do you think it fair that a person who gets a C at the second school deserves a lower mark than the person who got an A at the first school just because the teachers are harsher/students are dumber ?
 
Jeremias said:
SAC's are like big tests which students take in each subject throughout their year 12 studies, which contribute to your overall mark at the end of the year.


School is SOOOOOO last year ;)
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You also have SACs in year 11 and you have one in year 10 if you did a vce subject that year.
 

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fantastic_crows said:
I'm in year 12 atm and studied for 5 hrs (no joke) for a maths test, when I got the result back I got 57%.
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Oh mate that hurts. Can't stand it when that happens. Where's the justice? lol.

It always seems that whenever I'm confident on a test, I get it back and have not lived up to expectations.

I'm in year 11, and I've got a Legal 3-4 SAC on Thursday as well as a History one, the latter has the worst teacher of all time; I just don't understand it.
 
Johnson#26 said:
Oh mate that hurts. Can't stand it when that happens. Where's the justice? lol.

It always seems that whenever I'm confident on a test, I get it back and have not lived up to expectations.

I'm in year 11, and I've got a Legal 3-4 SAC on Thursday as well as a History one, the latter has the worst teacher of all time; I just don't understand it.
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Legal? The easiest 3-4 subject you will ever do ;)

As for history, hate it, hope you dont have my history teacher :p
 
back to the first post.. you do realise you could of had it changed, schools are only allowed to give you 3 SAC's in one day tops, so you had viable grounds to change it... but yes year 12 blows hard
 
English SACs were the worst...i would not pay attention in class and would have to read half the novel the night before...i'm smart though, so I passed. :cool: :p
 

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danzan22 said:
You also have SACs in year 11 and you have one in year 10 if you did a vce subject that year.
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SAC is only for year 12 subjects they go for ur ENTER score. The tests of 1-2 subjects (Year 11) are called outcomes, all you have to do is pass all of them to get into year 12. They are a joke.
 
jnash196 said:
SAC is only for year 12 subjects they go for ur ENTER score. The tests of 1-2 subjects (Year 11) are called outcomes, all you have to do is pass all of them to get into year 12. They are a joke.
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depends if your doing a 3/4 in year 11,.
 
danzan22 said:
depends if your doing a 3/4 in year 11,.
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Yeh but in that case u got 1 max 2 (in my case) subjects which have SACs whereas the other 4 are just outcomes.

All you people are lucky you don't do hebrew. hardest subject ever. Mark up of 12 though:D :D :D
 
jnash196 said:
Yeh but in that case u got 1 max 2 (in my case) subjects which have SACs whereas the other 4 are just outcomes.

All you people are lucky you don't do hebrew. hardest subject ever. Mark up of 12 though:D :D :D
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Why would i want to do hebrew? are you jewish?
 

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