F1 F1 2024 thread

[Vader]

Yep.

A reminder that the Dutch GP, unlike most, is a fully privately owned and operated business (not including €4 million infrastructure support provided by the Zandvoort Council). The owners have capitalised on the rise and success of local boy Max Verstappen and obviously think that the future commercial viability of the GP without him is limited.

Shame to see these historic European GPs disappear but without substantial state funding/subsidies - either in part or full - most GPs would financial disasters. Until the 10 year deal was signed with Liberty earlier this year, even the Silverstone British GP in the home of most GP constructors was in peril of disappearing from the calendar.

It's a shame to see historic European GPs disappear - but I'm not sure Zandvoort falls into that category.

Zandvoort wasn't used by F1 between 1986-2020. It was only the popularity of rising Dutch talent in Max Verstappen that resulted in them bringing the track back again.

As far as the historic European GPs go, the one I'm most concerned about losing is Spa.

 

[Jatz]

All set up for Max to retire after 2026

Geez, big call. If Max snares the next two championships (huge if obviously), he's on 6. I can't see him walking away from that.

If Red Bull head back behind McLaren/Merc/Ferrari over the next two years I understand more.

Either way, I'm surprised they'd be so sure of it this far out.

 

[Jatz]

It's disappointing to lose Zandvoort, I actually think it's a cool track that offers something unique to the rest of the tracks.

 

[Jatz]

It's a shame to see historic European GPs disappear - but I'm not sure Zandvoort falls into that category.

Zandvoort wasn't used by F1 between 1986-2020. It was only the popularity of rising Dutch talent in Max Verstappen that resulted in them bringing the track back again.

As far as the historic European GPs go, the one I'm most concerned about losing is Spa.

Would be tragic if Spa left. Especially if it's replaced with more street circuits.

One of the best tracks in the world.

 

[Vader]

It's disappointing to lose Zandvoort, I actually think it's a cool track that offers something unique to the rest of the tracks.

The banked curves make it interesting, and give it a point of difference.

 

[Barrybran]

It would be great to see F1 get to a point where they have 20 races on the calendar with 15 permanent tracks and 5 tracks rotating through.

 

[Vader]

It would be great to see F1 get to a point where they have 20 races on the calendar with 15 permanent tracks and 5 tracks rotating through.

As long as the 5 rotational tracks include all the middle east Tilke-drones. You can also include Miami on the "I prefer not to see this track at all, but I can live with once every two years" list.

 

[Not Important]

must be contract time.

Mark Webber issues Oscar Piastri warning in ‘surprise’ over McLaren performance

Mark Webber has warned that Oscar Piastri will only get better as he is “incredibly hungry” and is not close to fulfilling his potential.

www.planetf1.com

 

[happy_eagle]

must be contract time.

Mark Webber issues Oscar Piastri warning in ‘surprise’ over McLaren performance

Mark Webber has warned that Oscar Piastri will only get better as he is “incredibly hungry” and is not close to fulfilling his potential.

www.planetf1.com

Always wondered what the "natural scope of improvement is" for an F1 Driver.

In AFL you typically hear about the "third year breakout" being a thing once a player has a couple of pre-seasons under their belt.

I guess in F1 it's hard to judge how long it takes a driver to find their peak performance because its very car dependent. And is the adjustment/growth purely down to experience, or is it possible for a driver to develop their reaction skills over time.

 

[Bestbird]

Always wondered what the "natural scope of improvement is" for an F1 Driver.

In AFL you typically hear about the "third year breakout" being a thing once a player has a couple of pre-seasons under their belt.

I guess in F1 it's hard to judge how long it takes a driver to find their peak performance because its very car dependent. And is the adjustment/growth purely down to experience, or is it possible for a driver to develop their reaction skills over time.

I gather tyre management is probably the one aspect where experience counts for a lot

 

[my name was taken]

I guess in F1 it's hard to judge how long it takes a driver to find their peak performance because its very car dependent. And is the adjustment/growth purely down to experience, or is it possible for a driver to develop their reaction skills over time.

Also very difficult because improving your would be 5kilometer lap distance qualification by 0.2 seconds in the lap would be career changing. Its insane how important that differential over that distance is so important.

 

[Pugz89]

Always wondered what the "natural scope of improvement is" for an F1 Driver.

In AFL you typically hear about the "third year breakout" being a thing once a player has a couple of pre-seasons under their belt.

I guess in F1 it's hard to judge how long it takes a driver to find their peak performance because its very car dependent. And is the adjustment/growth purely down to experience, or is it possible for a driver to develop their reaction skills over time.

I think from year to year there will also be tweaks, due to the car and subtle changes. I think the first 2-3yrs at F1 level it is more about learning what driving style works for the driver, keeping it clean and just building the confidence at each of the tracks. I'd say by year 3 onwards, the driver has a clear routine, is physically developed to withstand the rigours of a Grand Prix weekend, and also has the confidence to start attacking on the track.

Using Oscar as an example, his first year built slowly, largely because McLaren was a shitbox for the first half of the season, before finding a lot of performance late. His qualifying performances were steady, but his ability to make the tyres last was the big issue. This year he has shown a lot of improvement with that, and so next year I would be thinking his main priority would just be getting that consistency from week to week across the board. His quali and race pace is pretty good when he is on, but the bad weekend every month is what will hold him back from fighting for championships, if he can tidy that up and McLaren is a top car again next year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him be up to his neck in the WDC battle.

 

[gaskin]

If Oscar doesn't DNF this weekend he joins this club:

 

[Barrybran]

If Oscar doesn't DNF this weekend he joins this club:

All championship winning years. Bodes well for Oscar.

 

[Festerz]

It's a shame to see historic European GPs disappear - but I'm not sure Zandvoort falls into that category.

We can pick and choose what history matters. But history doesn't care.

 

[Bradesmaen]

We can pick and choose what history matters. But history doesn't care.


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[Bradesmaen]

TBH if all new circuits are made in the model of Austin then I'd be happy. You can take multiple lines through a bunch of corners which allows for more exciting racing. Ok DRS helps a little but you do get to see wheel to wheel racing. Would love to see the maggots/becketts type esses opened up and made wider but I guess if you do that you get people straightlining them.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I like the idea of rotating circuits but you just know the ones on rotation will be the ones already paying the lowest fees like Spa and Imola, the fixed term slots will go to the generic shitty street circuits that pay a fortune to be on the calendar.

I'd like to see Istanbul Park and Sepang again every few years. I dismissed Buddh and Yeongam as being boring circuits when they were first on the calendar but they unfortunately debuted during a very boring era so might have been too quick to judge.

 

[Gunf]

The shit fight between Russell and Ver could make thing interesting for this race and the future if it continues.

 

[hotchilli]

The shit fight between Russell and Ver could make thing interesting for this race and the future if it continues.

Just needs Max to stir it up more with something on the track now.

 

[Cromulant]

The shit fight between Russell and Ver could make thing interesting for this race and the future if it continues.

It's very one sided really, George doing all the whinging and Max shining his trophies.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Russell saying Max can’t handle adversity or when things aren’t going his own way might be one of the most tone deaf comments I’ve heard in a while

 

[Cromulant]

Russell saying Max can’t handle adversity or when things aren’t going his own way might be one of the most tone deaf comments I’ve heard in a while

This is the same guy that whinged, bitched and complained on a regular basis during his time at Williams as if it were his God given right to be in a top car.

He's a good driver is George, maybe a little bit better than that on his day, but nothing more.

Will be very interesting to see how he handles things if Antonelli gets his shit together quickly.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

This is the same guy that whinged, bitched and complained on a regular basis during his time at Williams as if it were his God given right to be in a top car.

He's a good driver is George, maybe a little bit better than that on his day, but nothing more.

Will be very interesting to see how he handles things if Antonelli gets his shit together quickly.

Also the same guy that took out Bottas and went and decided to pay him on the head.

 

[Cromulant]

Also the same guy that took out Bottas and went and decided to pay him on the head.

He was VERY quick to place blame when even Sky F1 said it was his fault.

He doesn't seem a particularly likeable guy.