Fat Acceptance - Problem or not

[MrsEddieBetts]

True. Not sure why the exact numbers matter anyway on a practical level. The likelihood is that obese people need to clean up both their exercising and eating habits. Giving people numbers of what matters more could just give them a reason to skimp out on one thing or the other. There are already examples in this thread of people "rewarding" exercise with donuts.




Physiologically true yes (although HIIT "building muscle" is a little ambiguous) but I think prescribing HIIT to the obese with little exercise experience is fraught with danger. Odds are these people haven't properly run in a long time and asking them to sprint could quite easily lead to injury, which can then lead back to not exercising due to said injury = back into old habits. Also, one of the most important things (I'd say the most important) is to create good habits for these people (healthy diet + regular exercise). The question is, how long can a sedentary individual keep up HIIT 5 days a week (or 3 or 4)? I'm going to guess, not too long. We as a society are obsessed with doing things quickly rather than taking the slow approach. The reality is though that healthy habits need to be for life. The 30-60 min walk/jog is a fantastic introduction to exercise as it's relatively easy and allows people to get into the habit of regular exercise. My worry for HIIT is the toll that it can take on the under-trained.

At the end of the day, the best exercise for weight loss is exercise that someone will actually do, different strokes for different folks.

EXACTLY. Telling an obese person about an elite athlete's exercise routine, or smashing them with HIIT straight up, is counterproductive. Baby steps!

 

[Scotland]

EXACTLY. Telling an obese person about an elite athlete's exercise routine, or smashing them with HIIT straight up, is counterproductive. Baby steps!

It's not counterproductive as such, but it won't work.

'Hey you there on the couch with the bucket of KFC and the graxy stain on your size XXXL pants - give me 10 100m sprints!'

As someone who goes to the gym a bit, regularly plays sport etc. I'm not sure how I'd go doing that, so a couch potato has no chance.

To an obese person with a terrible lifestyle I'd recommend steps like minimising then eliminating fast food and getting into the habit of preparing meals at home, changing shopping habits by having fruit, vegetables etc. in the fridge, doing at least 30 minutes of exercise a day even if it's just walking then would go from there.

I'm currently due for a shop and have very little in my fridge. I've got apples, some spinach and I think a couple of sweet potatoes but not a lot else. I can see how it's very easy in that situation to just go 'ah bugger it I'll have takeaway and shop later' then falling into a routine...

 

[Julius Seizure]

Hey mate what are you weighing at the moment if you don't mind me asking?
Your story reminded me of myself as i'm also 6 foot and just weighed myself over Xmas and was 98kg and look like shit with my top off.
I was like ''shit i gotta get serious about this''

I'm at 86/7 at the moment, still have fat I just need to slowly lose. I find at my current weight is where I get stuck a lot, it's the last kilos down to eighty that are a battle for me, getting to here just involves sticking to eating well during the week, any lower I really need to watch what I eat closely, and can really only drink once a week maximum, ideally every fortnight. A big night on the beers is pretty much the equivalent of one or two big meals I think, could be more. Which does mean I'm still over eating a little as it's too high of a weight to healthily stay at.

 

[TheKanga]

I'm at 86/7 at the moment, still have fat I just need to slowly lose. I find at my current weight is where I get stuck a lot, it's the last kilos down to eighty that are a battle for me, getting to here just involves sticking to eating well during the week, any lower I really need to watch what I eat closely, and can really only drink once a week maximum, ideally every fortnight. A big night on the beers is pretty much the equivalent of one or two big meals I think, could be more. Which does mean I'm still over eating a little as it's too high of a weight to healthily stay at.

88kg is my goal weight to start off with.
Even in these early days off cutting out carbs and sugary foods/drinks i'm feel better already.
I imagine it would take a lot more discipline to drop down to 80kg or lower but stick at it.
Do you allow yourself a ''cheat day'' or a day where you can eat/drink something a bit more indulgent?
I'm not sure if i should implement that maybe once a week/fortnight so i don't fall off the wagon.
Or if i should be stricter and have a more all or nothing attitude.

 

[Hawthorn United]

For obese, the very first thing to fix up is their diet. Controlling their portions firstly then moving onto healthier foods.

In terms of exercise, just light intensity stuff to begin with. Instead of driving everywhere, walk to the station or shops if you live nearby. Take the stairs up/down 1-2 floors instead of the lifts.

The stairs and taking bus for 1-2 stops I've seen so often by obese people and it makes me realise why they're like that.

 

[apparentlydead]

For obese, the very first thing to fix up is their diet.

Nope. The first thing to fix up is their head and what goes on inside it.

 

[Hawthorn United]

Nope. The first thing to fix up is their head and what goes on inside it.

True. They need to admit they need help and a lifestyle change to be able to actually do the hard work.

I think all these "failed" diet programs were obese people that weren't actually trying. The program that delivers the food is meant to also teach them what they should be eating and how often, but they seem to throw that out when it's done and return to normal programming.

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[cripppa9]

I put people that are obese in certainly a really unhealthy category but there are often underlying reasons for it (yes, alot if ppl are just lazy and eat junk) overall I don't think obesity is accepted in society

 

[BALKAN]

True. They need to admit they need help and a lifestyle change to be able to actually do the hard work.

I think all these "failed" diet programs were obese people that weren't actually trying. The program that delivers the food is meant to also teach them what they should be eating and how often, but they seem to throw that out when it's done and return to normal programming.

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Yeah to "fail" a diet program means you were never into it. Jenny Craig in particular seems like a pretty involved program yet I wouldn't be surprised if people on these programs just collect the food and ignore all the advice and reasoning around it.

 

[Scotland]

Yeah to "fail" a diet program means you were never into it. Jenny Craig in particular seems like a pretty involved program yet I wouldn't be surprised if people on these programs just collect the food and ignore all the advice and reasoning around it.

'I tried Jenny Craig but my portion sizes were larger. Like 2 to 3 times larger.'

 

[MWPP]

Interesting article
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-way-scientists-twist-the-facts-10158229.html
But I doubt that more awareness of the expected life-expectancy discrepancy is the reason behind *fat acceptance*....

 

[ioppolo]

Bumping this thread?

This can only go well

 

[Run n Spread]

Fat acceptance= A problem yeah sure.
But a lot of the hand wringing is simply vanity dressed as health. A lot of skinny people have shit habbits that are not productive to a long life (their choice and fair play imo) but to then come down on fat people and pillory them for some faux health reason is bullshit. it is out and out bullying and picking on the weak. Unless you are about to shag a fat person what honestly do you give a crap about anyone elses weight?

(Please don't say the health system. The taxes levied on alcohol, tobacco and junk food means ironically the unhealthy pay for the health system).

 

[MWPP]

Unless you are about to shag a fat person what honestly do you give a crap about anyone elses weight?

Yep. They invade my personal space too much (eg on the plane /in other situations where I have to sit next to them). Mind you, some people who are very tall do that too (I'm petite )....

(Please don't say the health system. The taxes levied on alcohol, tobacco and junk food means ironically the unhealthy pay for the health system).

Alcohol and junk food isn't taxed enough
But I see what you mean

 

[chargers 09]

Fat acceptance= A problem yeah sure.
But a lot of the hand wringing is simply vanity dressed as health. A lot of skinny people have shit habbits that are not productive to a long life (their choice and fair play imo) but to then come down on fat people and pillory them for some faux health reason is bullshit. it is out and out bullying and picking on the weak. Unless you are about to shag a fat person what honestly do you give a crap about anyone elses weight?

(Please don't say the health system. The taxes levied on alcohol, tobacco and junk food means ironically the unhealthy pay for the health system).

If I see a overly obese person while I'm eating lose my appetite

 

[Jade]

No fat shaming is not a problem. Fat acceptance is for more of an issue.

Nailed it.

Peddling this view that it's 'ok to love who you are' as it relates to weight is complete and utter garbage.

It's not ok. It's not beautiful. It's downright disgusting in a lot of cases actually.

You SHOULD feel like you are doing the wrong thing if you are overweight. Hell, I know damn well if I've been smashing the beers and burgers too much I'll start stacking on the kgs - and I should feel like that's the wrong thing because that feeling of guilt or shame is what drives me to get my arse out for a jog, and to make better diet choices.

 

[the_interloper]

Nailed it.

Peddling this view that it's 'ok to love who you are' as it relates to weight is complete and utter garbage.

It's not ok. It's not beautiful. It's downright disgusting in a lot of cases actually.

You SHOULD feel like you are doing the wrong thing if you are overweight. Hell, I know damn well if I've been smashing the beers and burgers too much I'll start stacking on the kgs - and I should feel like that's the wrong thing because that feeling of guilt or shame is what drives me to get my arse out for a jog, and to make better diet choices.

Lol, epic bump ha ha, did you get cut off by a fat campaigner on your way to work today or something?

 

[Gough]

Fat shaming seems to be a form of virtue signalling for the intolerant.

 

[Jade]

Lol, epic bump ha ha, did you get cut off by a fat campaigner on your way to work today or something?

I may have had a run in with a grease sweating tub of shit this morning which prompted my memory of this thread...

 

[ioppolo]

Not accepting fat people is intolerant?

Omfg

 

[Jade]

Fat shaming seems to be a form of virtue signalling for the intolerant.

Nah.

This isn't having a crack at someone because of the colour of their skin - this is having a crack at people that, in most cases, willfully make themselves unhealthy and a burden on the whole.

You're fat. You can do something about it, but you don't. I judge you for that.

 

[Scotland]

Have we reached a point yet where we have to be tolerant of the intolerant?

 

[Catfish Alley]

So what do you do? Just avoid the overweight people in your life? Talk behind their back? Or are you calling them out on it to their face?

 

[Jade]

Have we reached a point yet where we have to be tolerant of the intolerant?

I reckon we're close...

 

[Moonwatcher]

Not accepting fat people is intolerant?

Omfg

Publicly shaming people is intolerance to those being shamed.