First round pick for Bock?

[Badesumofu]

Well guys, I'm sorry, you should have gotten a second band pick. I kinda feel like Hawthorn was duly compensated. I wasn't clear on whether the system was meant to give compensation of roughly equal value to the player, or lesser value - just a sort of consolation, but not full restitution. After Bock, I figured it was the latter. Now that we got the same for Brown, it seems like the former.

I guess the system doesn't take position into account. Campbell has been a great player and warrior for us, but small defenders are just not as valuable as key defenders (as we well know).

I have a soft spot for the Crows because my Mum barracks for them, so although I am stoked that Brown was rated 3rd band, I do feel badly for you guys - you clearly have gotten the shaft here.

 

[King Elvis]

Bock is a CHB, Brown is a back pocket.

Brown's good, Bock is better.

**** me, I keep saying it - purely based on the money the GC are willing to pay Bock, we are getting screwed severely.

When you then put it into context of the other people, it's even worse.

We need to pursue this, through the AFL path, then through the legal system, if required.

 

[Big Sledge #32]

I'm absolutely livid here, not because Brown is band 3 (which is where I feel he is at) but because he is judged as being of the same worth as Bock (who should be band 2). I knew this would happen all along, I would love to know who came up with this formula as it is clearly a joke.

Still can't wait to see which player is judged as a band 2 or higher!

 

[WALL-e]

Well guys, I'm sorry, you should have gotten a second band pick. I kinda feel like Hawthorn was duly compensated.

Nothing wrong with the compo you got.

You got a 3rd band for a former AA utility back who provides good leadership.

Just upset Browns worth is on par with Bock according to the AFL.

 

[King Elvis]

Brown is probably a little over-valued there, but not much, it's about right.

But yep, Bock, we're getting absolutely done over.

 

[MickyCrow]

Nothing wrong with the compo you got.

You got a 3rd band for a former AA utility back who provides good leadership.

Just upset Browns worth is on par with Bock according to the AFL.

Exactly, this is nothing against the HFC. This is about serious flaws in the VF...AFL senior management pure and simple. And these flaws always seem to come at non-victorian teams expense.

Funny that

 

[sbenno]

WRITE TO THE CLUB!

show your outrage, email crows@afc.com.au

if you're a member, include your membership number.

 

[jenny61_99]

Would Bock's value have been diminished because he couldn't get on the park for the past two years - 14 games last year and 13 this. I mean, realistically? And if you consider their career stats, they are both the same age, drafted in round 2 in the same year (7 picks apart). Brown has played more games, had more disposals and more than twice the tackles. He also played more games in the last two years. Whilst Bock WAS an AA CHB, he hasn't played in that type of form since 2008.

 

[pjcrows]

Apparently the VFL ended in 1989. Don't think so.

 

[KUNG FU]

Has nothing to do with the "formula" Jenny.

Age + Contract + Victorian Club = Whatever you want

 

[dplggr47]

Would Bock's value have been diminished because he couldn't get on the park for the past two years - 14 games last year and 13 this. I mean, realistically?

that's probably why the AFL thought they could get away with it with Adelaide and Bock.

...are there actually details of the specifics of each compensation band. e.g. some mathematical formula to calculate the bands? there may not even be any players that fall into this mysterious band 2 once the GC uncontracted players are revealed.

Ablett (if he leaves Geelong) will obviously fall into band 1, which was created just for him. does anyone know what band 1 entails? i know it's 2 first rounders, but are they both directly after the club's pick or 1 directly after and 1 after the first round? in Geelong's case, if they were to use the picks this year, they would all be in the mid-20s considering where Geelong will end up on the ladder. that's hardly adequate compensation.

 

[jenny61_99]

Has nothing to do with the "formula" Jenny.

Age + Contract + Victorian Club = Whatever you want

I do appreciate that the "V"FL continue to shaft the existing interstate Clubs wherever possible, and this compensation "formula" - for want of a better term - is completely unfair. I just think, though, that maybe they do take into account the current impact the player has had in their own team? I mean the loss of Rischetelli, for example, will be felt far more by Brisbane than the loss of Bock will for us - simply due to the fact that he didn't play much for us this (or last) year and when he did, he wasn't all that terrific. Rischetelli on the other hand was his Club's B&F. Ablett, who is an absolute gun and still contributes at a maximum capacity for his Club, would rightly be a Band 1.

So while it doesn't "seem fair" on first glance, it probably is about right.

 

[Mego Red]

My god, you could make excuses for anything.

 

[jenny61_99]

My god, you could make excuses for anything.

No, I don't like it any more than you. I just don't see the need to carry on like a bunch of nambies. And I also think that given Bock's recent history with us, I don't think he's worth much more than what we've been given.

I can't believe you people think the AFC have just thrown their hands up and said "too hard", and walked away. They would have had legal advice, and major discussions over whether it was worth pursuing. Clearly, at the end of the day, and given the fact that the appeal is made to the same turkey's that set the compensation in the first place, they decided it wasn't worth it.

 

[KUNG FU]

I do appreciate that the "V"FL continue to shaft the existing interstate Clubs wherever possible, and this compensation "formula" - for want of a better term - is completely unfair. I just think, though, that maybe they do take into account the current impact the player has had in their own team? I mean the loss of Rischetelli, for example, will be felt far more by Brisbane than the loss of Bock will for us - simply due to the fact that he didn't play much for us this (or last) year and when he did, he wasn't all that terrific. Rischetelli on the other hand was his Club's B&F. Ablett, who is an absolute gun and still contributes at a maximum capacity for his Club, would rightly be a Band 1.

So while it doesn't "seem fair" on first glance, it probably is about right.

OK, then why not say so up front? Why? Because that is ludicrous and highly subjective. The market should have been determining this compensation in any case.

 

[KUNG FU]

Whenever we use this pick, especially if we use it soon, there's only a 50/50 chance we'll get any player at all. Let alone an AA B&F CHB, the hardest position on the ground. I was perhaps the first to suggest that under the guidelines the AFL had set out and our developing KPBs, losing Bock might not be the worst outcome from the GC. However, those guidelines are clearly bullshit and what we signed up to, is not what we have received. I am a big fan of expansion and was willing to accept a hit for some sort of utilitarian greater good. But receiving #19 in 2 years time at best is ludicrous.

 

[King Elvis]

I do appreciate that the "V"FL continue to shaft the existing interstate Clubs wherever possible, and this compensation "formula" - for want of a better term - is completely unfair. I just think, though, that maybe they do take into account the current impact the player has had in their own team? I mean the loss of Rischetelli, for example, will be felt far more by Brisbane than the loss of Bock will for us - simply due to the fact that he didn't play much for us this (or last) year and when he did, he wasn't all that terrific. Rischetelli on the other hand was his Club's B&F. Ablett, who is an absolute gun and still contributes at a maximum capacity for his Club, would rightly be a Band 1.

So while it doesn't "seem fair" on first glance, it probably is about right.

Jesus Jenny, Bock is going to be the second highest paid player at the Gold Coast, and probably one of the 10 highest in the entire competition.

They obviously rate him pretty highly.

 

[jenny61_99]

I doubt he'd be the second highest... Ablett would be top, then Carmichael Hunt, then Bock (depending on who else they are taking on). And he may well be rated highly - whether he can deliver to those expectations any more remains to be seen.

KE I understand your frustration with it.... it IS ridiculous. But what else do you expect from Dimwitrio?

 

[King Elvis]

I doubt he'd be the second highest... Ablett would be top, then Carmichael Hunt, then Bock (depending on who else they are taking on). And he may well be rated highly - whether he can deliver to those expectations any more remains to be seen.

KE I understand your frustration with it.... it IS ridiculous. But what else do you expect from Dimwitrio?

Karmichael is that highly paid due to AFL 'marketing' dollars - I don't think that counts for actual GC footballing, on-field value; so Bock is technically the second highest paid footballer on their list.

Whether he can deliver those expectations is irrelevant, and nothing to do with us.

I don't expect anymore from the AFL, but I expect more from the AFC.

 

[Vader]

For what it's worth, the AFL has now confirmed that Hawthorn will get a Band 3 compensation for Brown:
AFL announces Brown compo

HAWTHORN will receive a draft pick at the end of the first round to use in one of the next five drafts as compensation for losing Campbell Brown to Gold Coast.

.....

The compensation offered to the Hawks was the same as Adelaide received for losing Nathan Bock and the Brisbane Lions received for losing Michael Rischitelli.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/102641/default.aspx

 

[WALL-e]

Karmichael receives his remuneration outside of the cap in a advertising loophole available for rookies not taken in the AFL draft.

His actual AFL salary is low.