First round pick for Bock?

[Vader]

1 Didn't we sign up to the draft concessions with all the other clubs? Did we have a rep on that committee? Presumably we assumed that it would be some other club that got screwed, as we would have all our players signed up, wouldn't we?

2 The rules are DESIGNED to screw the existing clubs. If the GC and GWS had to give market value for the uncontracted players, they would lose some of their drafting advantage. God forbid that that should happen.

We signed up to the raft of draft picks that they're getting and the fact that the AFL would determine the compensation clubs would receive for uncontracted players lost in this way.

We did NOT sign off on the formula used to determine the compensation. That was, and remains, a secret known only to Dimwit and his B-grade lawyer offsider.

 

[WALL-e]

What a kangaroo court of a system!!

That could only have been structured by Dimwit and his "post-it-note" B grade lawyer off-sider.

Yes, you have the right of appeal - to the people who made the original decision!!

That is not natural justice.

Imagine if our courts were run the same way. You appeal against the decision and your appeal is heard by the same judge that made the decision you are appealing against.

Welcome to Vladimir Dimwitrikov's new version of Soviet Russia!!

The AFL is a fkg joke!!

Put me down for one of these posts.

Only in the Reich would you have to appeal to the people you're appealing against.

 

[Crow-mo]

Who gives a crap about that? He is a vanilla midfielder, winning a token b&f for a club having a disastrous season. Meaningless. Has nowhere NEAR the value of a key position all Australian.

I think the fact that you're an apologist for the Adelaide establishment is fine most of the time. But you can't just mindlessly agree with everything, when this is a ridiculously pathetic act of giving up, and not even putting up a fight. Just a terrible example to offer as a club.

Fire up big guy!

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Gee, I think you are all being a bit rough on the AFC here. What more do you expect them to do?

They wrote a polite but firm letter to Mr Demetriou's underlings who, with some cajoling, I'm sure passed it on to him or at least gave him the gist of it.

 

[jenny61_99]

Not sure what you are saying Jenny!

Should we give up because it is too hard or should we shut up because we should"ve been happy to lose Bock at any price?

I wouldn't think we'd give up if it were just "too hard". The only way we'd give up is if we realise it's impossible. Having the same people on the appeal board just reeks of conflict of interest, and DimSim and his mates not giving a rats toss bag about who complains or how loud. Done deal. Oh dear, too bad, so sad.

Not saying peeps should shut up, just pointing out the hypocracy from some. You know the ones "Ah get rid of Bocky, he's not getting any younger, body letting him down" same old same old.... and then in the next breath squeal when the compensation doesn't match their expectations. Has the compensation EVER matched expectations??? Why should it be any different now?

 

[Crow-mo]

jenny,

that's more horseshit.

the club has said it rates bock very highly, and they said they'd appeal.

that's singular consistency not hypocrisy.

 

[Waspy79]

Wait till Geelong get a Band 1 for Ablett. Yes Ablett is a Band 1 player but he is not two bands above Bock. I also can't believe the appeal system would involve preparing a submission to the same clowns that devised the mysterious 'Band' system in the first place. Having said all of that, none of this surprises me. The AFL is a joke.

 

[johnnypanther]

1 Didn't we sign up to the draft concessions with all the other clubs? Did we have a rep on that committee? Presumably we assumed that it would be some other club that got screwed, as we would have all our players signed up, wouldn't we?

2 The rules are DESIGNED to screw the existing clubs. If the GC and GWS had to give market value for the uncontracted players, they would lose some of their drafting advantage. God forbid that that should happen.

We signed up to the raft of draft picks that they're getting and the fact that the AFL would determine the compensation clubs would receive for uncontracted players lost in this way.

We did NOT sign off on the formula used to determine the compensation. That was, and remains, a secret known only to Dimwit and his B-grade lawyer offsider.

Furthermore, i believe our rep (Triggy?) on the committee was the only one who did not agree with the proposed compensation formula. He wanted GC & GWS to receive draft picks and then trade them for the uncontracted players such as Bock.

 

[King Elvis]

Why challenge when you know you don't have a snowball in hells chance? That's resources (and perhaps $$$) that can be concentrated elsewhere. I'm glad Harper responded to Stabbie... it's almost a license to get that out in the public arena so that everyone DOES know what went down.

Principle?

Sometimes, when you know you're right you've got to stand up for yourself Jenny - even if you know you're going to get your arse kicked.

It's clear that the "system" put into place is to punish the idiot clubs not clever enough to sign their stars up before the end of the year.

WTF?

I'd hardly call us or the Western Bulldogs, or Hawthorn, and probably Geelong, 'idiot clubs.'

It's bad enough that we're losing a very good and vitally important player, they don't need to add insult to injury by under-paying us. If anything, Clubs should get over-paid; to acknowledge that this is a highly unusual situation, which is likely going to have impacts on player payments across the board.

We should be getting a first round pick from the GC, not this crap.

We're getting F'd in the A.

 

[jenny61_99]

Principle?

Sometimes, when you know you're right you've got to stand up for yourself Jenny - even if you know you're going to get your arse kicked.



WTF?

I'd hardly call us or the Western Bulldogs, or Hawthorn, and probably Geelong, 'idiot clubs.'

It's bad enough that we're losing a very good and vitally important player, they don't need to add insult to injury by under-paying us. If anything, Clubs should get over-paid; to acknowledge that this is a highly unusual situation, which is likely going to have impacts on player payments across the board.

We should be getting a first round pick from the GC, not this crap.

We're getting F'd in the A.

All good points... but is principle really worth the hassle when you know you won't win? Principle in this instance is a nice warm fuzzy, but really pointless. I'd rather they concentrate on the things they CAN control.

I used the term "idiot club" because I believe those that haven't signed up "required and valuable" players before this became an issue, have only themselves to blame. If they are that required and that valuable, they should have gone above and beyond to ensure they kept them. It's not like this hasn't been looming for some time.

 

[Vessel]

I used the term "idiot club" because I believe those that haven't signed up "required and valuable" players before this became an issue, have only themselves to blame. If they are that required and that valuable, they should have gone above and beyond to ensure they kept them. It's not like this hasn't been looming for some time.

What you think the players and the player's managers were not aware of this as well? Wake up! The rules were designed to make it so attractive for players to move clubs to the GC, such that they could not refuse. How else were the GC going to get players?

 

[King Elvis]

All good points... but is principle really worth the hassle when you know you won't win? Principle in this instance is a nice warm fuzzy, but really pointless.

Not at all, we could at least make the point that we're sick of getting screwed over by the AFL.

The Crows are such a well run Club, with such a strong supporter base, that the AFL basically treats us like shit or ignores us, because they know they can get away with it.

 

[KingJames23]

Are you KIDDING ME???

HAWTHORN will receive a first-round draft pick as compensation for losing Campbell Brown to the Gold Coast.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...against-hawthorn/story-e6frf9jf-1225923792051

Unbelievable. Brown has nothing to Bock who has a B&F and AA under his belt. How the hell are these things assessed?!?!?!?

 

[King Elvis]

Bah.

 

[Vader]

On what possible basis could they have come to that decision?

Bock & Brown are virtually the same age.

• Bock DOB = 20th March 1983
• Brown DOB = 28th August 1983

Both have been AA selections on one occasion

• Bock - 2008
• Brown - 2007

In what possible universe is Brown worth more than Bock? Seriously, the AFC have got to challenge the valuation of Bock - and if the AFL opts for a kangaroo court then the AFC must resort to the legal system. This is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Dandy_GO]

If this is true, it's pretty much official that the formula does not exist.
I'm just about ready to give up on this shithouse league. Blatant favouritism, bullshit rule changes, zero accountability at both the administration and officiation levels. It's becoming very hard to enjoy the game anymore. Might as well follow Pakistani cricket.

 

[KUNG FU]

****ing outrageous.

 

[KingJames23]

Pakistani cricket would be less corrupt. I like to think I judge without the crows goggles on but if you had bock, risha, brown and kraukouer on the table, Most (if not all) clubs would take bock. Risha would probably be next and it would be a toss up between brown and krak. Brown is probably in hawks' 15-22 group. A fit Bock would be our first picked every week. Lets not forget that for 2008 and half of 2009, bock was the best CHB in the AFL.

AFL are taking good care of the Vic teams. If I was a hawks fan, gee it be bloody jumping up and down after getting this compensation.

 

[cmndstab]

Honestly? Six months younger and $200k less and he's worth more???

That's beyond a joke!


Edit: Or is it a band 3 pick? Either way, that's ridiculous.

 

[spudmaster]

On what possible basis could they have come to that decision?

Bock & Brown are virtually the same age.

• Bock DOB = 20th March 1983
• Brown DOB = 28th August 1983

Both have been AA selections on one occasion

• Bock - 2008
• Brown - 2007

In what possible universe is Brown worth more than Bock? Seriously, the AFC have got to challenge the valuation of Bock - and if the AFL opts for a kangaroo court then the AFC must resort to the legal system. This is beyond ridiculous.

The only possible explanation i can come up with is the fact he has a premiership to his name and he was 2nd in our best and fairest in 07, although the latter is a while back now. How has Bock faired in your clubs' b&f?

Other than that I'm stumped, honestly thought he might have been in the same band as Krakouer.

Are we actually certain Brown is in a higher band than Bock? I know the herald sun is calling it a first round pick, but it's also saying if we were to use it before 2012 then it is at the end of the 1st round(start of 2nd) which I thought Bocks was as well? Although they then indicate if we use it after 2012 then it becomes a first round pick (did the same apply to Bock?)

Seems more of a roulette than the MRP to be honest

@CMN,
I have a feeling it's band3 and the article has just worded it slightly differently - will be easier to tell when the afl release the article

 

[KingJames23]

The only possible explanation i can come up with is the fact he has a premiership to his name and he was 2nd in our best and fairest in 07, although the latter is a while back now. How has Bock faired in your clubs' b&f?

Other than that I'm stumped, honestly thought he might have been in the same band as Krakouer.

Are we actually certain Brown is in a higher band than Bock? I know the herald sun is calling it a first round pick, but it's also saying if we were to use it before 2012 then it is at the end of the 1st round(start of 2nd) which I thought Bocks was as well? Although they then indicate if we use it after 2012 then it becomes a first round pick (did the same apply to Bock?)

Seems more of a roulette than the MRP to be honest

@CMN,
I have a feeling it's band3 and the article has just worded it slightly differently - will be easier to tell when the afl release the article

Im pretty sure its band 3. To be used start of 2nd round/end of 1st round - how ever you want to put it. Same selection as what crows get for Bock.

 

[Vader]

Bock won our B&F in 2008. His 2009 & 2010 seasons were both limited by injury.

I haven't been able to spot any report which actually states what band he's in. The HS wording indicates band 2, but that may just be sloppy journalism.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The only possible explanation i can come up with is the fact he has a premiership to his name and he was 2nd in our best and fairest in 07, although the latter is a while back now. How has Bock faired in your clubs' b&f?

Other than that I'm stumped, honestly thought he might have been in the same band as Krakouer.

Are we actually certain Brown is in a higher band than Bock? I know the herald sun is calling it a first round pick, but it's also saying if we were to use it before 2012 then it is at the end of the 1st round(start of 2nd) which I thought Bocks was as well? Although they then indicate if we use it after 2012 then it becomes a first round pick (did the same apply to Bock?)

Seems more of a roulette than the MRP to be honest

@CMN,
I have a feeling it's band3 and the article has just worded it slightly differently - will be easier to tell when the afl release the article

Bock won our B&F in 2008 so he trumps him there!

Its just not logical. As for premiership player bit, well a lot of very ordinary players have played in AFL premierships and we should know because we had a few. That really shouldn't be used to measure one's quality as a player.

 

[Prudster]

The whole system is pretty stupid. On one hand, you can see that Bock's and Brown's credentials are relatively similar. In terms of skill, Bock would have to be considered better, while for Brown you can argue about how inspirational he is with his bravery etc., but i'm pretty sure none of that is taken into account.

On the other hand, Brown is way more valuable than Krakouer, who was one band behind Bock (?). While i feel that Brown's compensation is fair, Bock, as a KPP, and a pretty decent backmen, would have to be worth more than just a pick 17 or so. The fact that the AFL can think that Bock is worth so little speaks for itself in that the AFL are a bunch of muppets.

 

[MickyCrow]

This is bullshit. **** these Vic bastards