Prediction Fixing our forward line

[Soapy V]

People keep mentioning Casboult as the answer. Why? What evidence is there? He is 27, nearly 100 games and averages a goal a game. He is very limited. Has he ever domintaed a game and been a match winner? Good mark but poor kick and lacks mobility and has absolutely no game sense. He is even worse in the ruck where his constant mistakes really cost us. It won't change. He is just one on a heap of average players on our list that is holding us back. The sooner we move past him and players like him the better

 

[harmesy 37]

For me our best fwd line atm is:

Wright Casboult J.Silvagni
Pickett Weitering C.Curnow

Silvagni I would bring in in Week 2 or Week 3. He isn't an automatic inclusion for me. I think Lamb did a few nice pressure acts in last match that elevates him above Silvagni.

It was I believe Lamb's pressure that resulted in that goal in the 3rd quarter, has more experience etc.

We need the win against Richmond. Lamb is just a bit more physical, more likely to pressure their defenders.

I think the other five you mentioned should be selected though.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Silvagni I would bring in in Week 2 or Week 3. He isn't an automatic inclusion for me. I think Lamb did a few nice pressure acts in last match that elevates him above Silvagni.

It was I believe Lamb's pressure that resulted in that goal in the 3rd quarter, has more experience etc.

We need the win against Richmond. Lamb is just a bit more physical, more likely to pressure their defenders.

I think the other five you mentioned should be selected though.

You can have both, one starts on the bench?

 

[slashin_velvet]

You can have both, one starts on the bench?

I'd have neither if they're keeping jaksch out...

 

[Soapy V]

Silvagni I would bring in in Week 2 or Week 3. He isn't an automatic inclusion for me. I think Lamb did a few nice pressure acts in last match that elevates him above Silvagni.

It was I believe Lamb's pressure that resulted in that goal in the 3rd quarter, has more experience etc.

We need the win against Richmond. Lamb is just a bit more physical, more likely to pressure their defenders.

I think the other five you mentioned should be selected though.

Lamb. Is that really where we are still at? Putting our faith on recycled players that can do some pressure acts? What else does he do? He was poor on Friday night. We need to get past these type of players and look to the future. We will have some tough days but it's better than just surviving week in week out.

Surely Charlie Pickett LeBois Polson SPS Sumner Smedts Silvagni are better options for now and the future

 

[T2B_]

People keep mentioing Casboult as the answer. Why? What evidence is there? He is 27, nearly 100 games and averages a goal a game. He is very limited. Has he ever domintaed a game and been a match winner? Good mark but poor kick and lacks mobility and has absolutely no game sense. He is even worse in the ruck where his constant mistakes really cost us. It won't change. He is just one on a heap of average players on our list that is holding us back. The sooner we move past him and players like him the better

I'd be happier if his "good mark" was more consistent. Some days he starts dropping them left right and centre, which of course means he loses one of his main actual strengths.

 

[Soapy V]

I'd be happier if his "good mark" was more consistent. Some days he starts dropping them left right and centre, which of course means he loses one of his main actual strengths.

The other key consideration is what it does to everyone else. The negativity and mistakes spread through the entire side. Everytime he misses or makes a mistake it effects everyone else. It's one of the biggest issues we have in our side especially as I believe we do work hard and have a good game plan. Too many players that make basic mistakes too often. Hard to get any momentum or system when that consistently happens. Good sides don't have that issue and we won't improve until we move past those players.

 

[Love the Drake]

I'd be happier if his "good mark" was more consistent. Some days he starts dropping them left right and centre, which of course means he loses one of his main actual strengths.

You are being very generous there....marking is his only 'strength'..

 

[SurreyBlue]

Ideally;
Pickett McKay C.Curnow
J.Silvagni Jaksch Sumner/LeBois

 

[Soapy V]

Ideally;
Pickett McKay C.Curnow
J.Silvagni Jaksch Sumner/LeBois

Exactly and the sooner the better. Like to see Murphy Cripps & Gibbs go through there as well. They could easily kick 30-40 goals a season between them. Pickett & LeBois up forward for the next decade is very exciting. Then add SPS & Polson

 

[16 Premierships]

As with all Carlton supporters, I am tormented by our disfunctional forward line;

• A lumbering Full Forward who can't kick straight, can't pick up the ball when it hits the ground, has slow decision making skills & can't chase the rebounding backman;
• A lumbering resting ruckman who can't mark & can't chase the rebounding backman;
• The lack of a Centre Half Forward;
• The lack of crumbing forwards (Wright was good but we have lacked that zippy small forward);
• The lack of a genuine third tall forward (Silvagni/Curnow played this as 1st year players last year).

Now I know a lot of our problems fall with the delivery in to the forward line, but really, the personnel in our forward line hasn't helped. Cas, Jones, Lamb, Buckley, Armfield, Phillips are hardly going to scare an opposition backline coach.

LOVE THE DRAKE's 3 point plan to create a functional forward line;

• Drop Casboult
• Weiters to CHF
• Jacksch to FF (I can hear the groans but hear me out)

Our forward set up now has two KPP's who can kick straight. Granted Jacksh is out of favour and must show intensity, but he is a beautiful set shot at goal and only needs to get it 8 times to kick 3 goals. Levi would have to get it 28 times to kick 3 goals. I mulled over where best to play Weiters - but I liked the way he presented at CHF and gave our backline/midfielders a mobile target coming out of defence. I also think Jaksch is better suited near goal.

FORWARD LINE FOR ROUND 1;

CHF line: Silvagni Jaksch Wright
FF line: Pickett Weiters Curnow

The one thing in common all these players have is the ability to kick straight.

Sumner, Kerridge, Rowe/Phillips (as second ruck), Murphy/Gibbs/Cripps (resting) would also play through here, but I really like this as a starting 6 for round 1 (although the thought of Rance on Jaksch is not a pretty one).

This is my wish list - I am 99% they will go with Casboult over Jaksch for round 1, but if Cas continues to underperform/miss easy shots then I hope to see this set up.

Could not agree more. Kj needs real opportunity, not talking about full forward in the northern blues and play one senior game at full back, then dropped again. Put him at full forward all year. Then and only then everyone rate him.

 

[Aussie Joe]

Give KJ an extended chance. If he doesn't pull something out of the hat, then we cut our losses end of year. But he needs to be tested. Casboult had more chances than anyone. He has zero potential for improvement. Leave him in the VFL and only use him in an emergency. Hopefully he will be gone at then end of year.

 

[bluebrew]

Then what happens?

Did you ever consider how bad our coaching is that they cannot fix something so fundamental to AFL?

 

[Soapy V]

Did you ever consider how bad our coaching is that they cannot fix something so fundamental to AFL?

No, not now. Under Ratten/Malthouse yes, but I have absolute faith in Bolton and Co. Casboult isn't going to improve and what he is now and certainly not to the level to be a consistent AFL player. Simply too many flaws in his game and if we hadn't been so bad for so long and had such bad list managment he would be playing suburban football

 

[Chookaradley]

Lets not underestimate the need for forward pressure. We desperately need SOS, Pickett, Lamb to apply defensive pressure. Us probably more than any other team need to give our forwards multiple opportunities in order to kick a winning score.

 

[Wickzki]

The solution to our forward woes is to improve the midfield.

Get even one midfielder worth their salt kicking forward and you'll see a dramatic improvement.

Almost all of our midfielders and this includes our big three kick it and hope when going forward. They refuse to honor leads 90% of the time and make it infuriating for our forwards to know what to do.

 

[Jimmae]

The solution to our forward woes is to improve the midfield.

Get even one midfielder worth their salt kicking forward and you'll see a dramatic improvement.

Almost all of our midfielders and this includes our big three kick it and hope when going forward. They refuse to honor leads 90% of the time and make it infuriating for our forwards to know what to do.

Have you seen the way some of our forwards lead? When they are bold and quick (even on a shorter lead), the lead is usually honoured.

 

[Wickzki]

Have you seen the way some of our forwards lead? When they are bold and quick (even on a shorter lead), the lead is usually honoured.

Have you seen how many times they've tried this and they're completely ignored in favor of kicking it to a 4 on 2 contest?

These issues aren't new. They go back to when we had Fevola, Betts, etc. running around.

 

[kingkingston]

Pickett has to be in for round 1, i'd put he and Lebois in the pockets

 

[Soapy V]

Pickett has to be in for round 1, i'd put he and Lebois in the pockets

I'd love that but I think LeBois will have to wait a little while. Hopefully the second half of the year

 

[bluebrew]

No, not now. Under Ratten/Malthouse yes, but I have absolute faith in Bolton and Co. Casboult isn't going to improve and what he is now and certainly not to the level to be a consistent AFL player. Simply too many flaws in his game and if we hadn't been so bad for so long and had such bad list managment he would be playing suburban football

Sadly Technical coaching has not improved with the coaching change...they just keep moving the deckchairs..

 

[The Smoking Gun]

No, not now. Under Ratten/Malthouse yes, but I have absolute faith in Bolton and Co. Casboult isn't going to improve and what he is now and certainly not to the level to be a consistent AFL player. Simply too many flaws in his game and if we hadn't been so bad for so long and had such bad list managment he would be playing suburban football

I'm not so sure now Suds. Too many signs both on and off the field that the club is going back to its old ways....unfortunately.

 

[Soapy V]

Sadly Technical coaching has not improved with the coaching change...they just keep moving the deckchairs..

Are you talking about Casboult or in general?

I think the individual coaching has improved immensely under Bolton Barker Fraser & Co. Sometimes players just simply aren't good enough and I feel we have a lot that fall into that category

 

[bluebrew]

Are you talking about Casboult or in general?

I think the individual coaching has improved immensely under Bolton Barker Fraser & Co. Sometimes players just simply aren't good enough and I feel we have a lot that fall into that category

As a coach who does Technical coaching it is very easy to teach Kids what to do they don't have bad habits usually, however once people develop bad habits that is when real coaches earn their $. That is something I am not seeing with Casboult or any other players in our club.

 

[Soapy V]

I'm not so sure now Suds. Too many signs both on and off the field that the club is going back to its old ways....unfortunately.

Really? Interesting SG. I have to disagree.

I thought last year we improved immensely in a number of areas. We have had a couple of pre season games since then which i take little interest in. The issue for me is our list still has a lot of very average players that are getting games as our kids simply aren't ready. Too many players with poor skills and poor decision making that shouldn't be on an AFL list. Unfortunately we can't get rid of them all at once.

I see a heck of a lot of genuine raw talent coming through but they are 2-3 years away from being consistent players. In the meantime we are going to feel some pain as we transition from a bunch of average players to a bunch of raw kids. The next 2 years will be hard but worth it.

I am confident in our current coaching structure and recruiting/list managment. Unfortunately it's going to take time and it's frustrating. Patience isn't easy but I truly believe that for the first time in 20 years we are heading in the right direction