Religion Folau

[Andrew Birch]

You can basically make a galah of yourself on social media, and not get fired from your day job. This is the way it should be.

This has smashed the cancel culture into a thousand pieces, and scattered it to the winds.

A victory for all people.

 

[deanc]

Folau is no longer contracted by RA so can say whatever he likes in whatever forum and it's none of RA's concern.

As an employee of RA there is an expectation that you don't jeopardise RA from a sponsorship or PR perspective. When the principal sponsor of your employer has a gay CEO and you post homophobic content to your public social media platform it's pretty obvious what is going to happen.

Whatever Folau got (which is too much if it's above $0) is a function of RA's contracts being shit which comes as no surprise as RA are a joke.

Concur, RA have made themselves look like absolute clowns - and as some have already posted they were legally screwed from the outset.

According to the legislation that provides the legal framework for the Fairwork Commission, you can not dismiss someone for their religious beliefs expressed outside and/or not directly related to their employment. The end.

I suspect RA didn't initially know their legal position and in hindsight they should of just suspended Folau until they did - however the heterosexually challenged boss of Qantas just wanted Folau sacked !!!

When the issue arrived at the Supreme Court RA obviously 'did know' their legal position and also admitted they had made some contradictory claims regarding Folau's contract, which is why they offered Folau a $2M settlement shortly after - and he told them to GAGF !!!
Also Raelene Castle incriminated herself when she confirmed during these proceedings that the first call she made when viewing Folau's post was to Alan Joyce.

After all this how Ms Castle hasn't resigned or been sacked simply beggars belief..?

 

[EasternTiger]

Oh god is real...

I can easily prove it.

In 1993, in an episode of Married With Children titled 'Gods Shoes', the protagonist Al Bundy got hit in the head and had a vision of the perfect shoe, delivered to him from God.

Fast forward to 2019, and guess what pops up in shoe stores EVERYWHERE?

You guessed it.

Anyone caught disliking this post will go to hell. You have been warned.

 

[deanc]

Well climate change is real whatever your opinion on the causes and pace. If you actually deny that the climate changes full stop then you should probably visit a museum or watch Ice Age. Climatic conditions influence fires. Climatic change as the sole cause? No, absolutely not. But if it's hotter and drier and fires occur when it's hot and dry...

Now I can't prove that God didn't start the NSW fires (some were started by arsonists, fallen power lines etc. so I'll just assume he is responsible for those by playing the "mysterious ways" trump card) but if we are playing the judgement game then well known SSM supporter and all around good guy Pope Benedict visited Australia in 2008 and then Black Saturday happened in February 2009 so maybe old God needs to sort his shit out.

Scotland, happy to concede that climate change could be a contributing factor with the recent bush fires but interestingly it's rarely been mentioned before during any of our annual 'bush fire seasons', including the 1951 fires when Queensland lost over 100 million acres, then we had 1967 Tasmania, 1974 W.A. etc. etc....?

 

[Scotland]

Correct. And another player could do exactly what Folau did, with again the same events taking place.

Unless they have actually revisited their contracts. And I bet they havent. Because if they did it would have been an admission that the contracts were poorly written.

Though I would think over the next few weeks there will be some scrambling.

Not only will there be scrambling at RA, the paper pushers at the AFL, NRL etc. will be double checking their dotted i's and crossed t's.

How do you reckon the AFL would react if Gary Ablett Jr went full Folau?

 

[Ry009]

Sure, but it rarely ( if ever ) happens that way.

This whole storm in a teacup degenerated very rapidly. It never even made it to “discussion”.

Don't think you're doing it intentionally, but you're shifting the goal posts here.

What he posted is (IMO) worthy of discussion. People reacting on inappropriate levels is a given in this day and age on both sides of any argument.

If something gets an inappropriate response doesn't mean level headed discussion should be given up on.

Same way I have no right to tell people to harden the f*** up and ignore Greta Thunberg and the Gillette ad, despite the fact there's been a significant amount of people who have been triggered and had a disproportionate reaction to.

 

[HairyO]

Not only will there be scrambling at RA, the paper pushers at the AFL, NRL etc. will be double checking their dotted i's and crossed t's.

How do you reckon the AFL would react if Gary Ablett Jr went full Folau?

Do Qantas sponsor the AFL ?

 

[Borisdog]

Don't think you're doing it intentionally, but you're shifting the goal posts here.

What he posted is (IMO) worthy of discussion. People reacting on inappropriate levels is a given in this day and age on both sides of any argument.

If something gets an inappropriate response doesn't mean level headed discussion should be given up on.

Same way I have no right to tell people to harden the f*** up and ignore Greta Thunberg and the Gillette ad, despite the fact there's been a significant amount of people who have been triggered and had a disproportionate reaction to.

I don't think I was shifting the goal posts at all, intentionally or not.

Neither involved party engaged in discussion at all, it quickly degenerated into utter intransigence from both INVOLVED parties. That was my point, the PARTIES didn't do any discussing.

The rest of us on the sidelines did the discussing. My position is that it's got bugger all to do with me and any discussion I have won't make a jot of difference to what happened between the 2 involved parties.

And FWIW I reckon you've got every right to vocalising your opinion on Greta Thunberg. She stuck her head up, same as Folau did.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Scotland, happy to concede that climate change could be a contributing factor with the recent bush fires but interestingly it's rarely been mentioned before during any of our annual 'bush fire seasons', including the 1951 fires when Queensland lost over 100 million acres, then we had 1967 Tasmania, 1974 W.A. etc. etc....?

"Climate change" or "Trump's fault" are the answers to 71% of the world's questions.

 

[Ry009]

I don't think I was shifting the goal posts at all, intentionally or not.

Neither involved party engaged in discussion at all, it quickly degenerated into utter intransigence from both INVOLVED parties. That was my point, the PARTIES didn't do any discussing.

The rest of us on the sidelines did the discussing. My position is that it's got bugger all to do with me and any discussion I have won't make a jot of difference to what happened between the 2 involved parties.

And FWIW I reckon you've got every right to vocalising your opinion on Greta Thunberg. She stuck her head up, same as Folau did.

Based on what you've said, you're withdrawing you're original post of telling people to 'just ignore him'?

I have no issue with GT or Gillette at all, my point is I have no right to question people that do providing its a considered response.

 

[AM]

Hopefully his days of playing rugby of either code in Australia are over.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

It's not just entry to heaven, don't be ridiculous. It's employment, religious organisations can discriminate there, health care, aged care, education are also areas in which they are or will be discriminate. And they can do all this by saying I believe in god and it's definitely god here because when this government talks about religious freedom they mean good white people religions.

Surely the LGBTQI community can set up their own places of worship, hospitals, aged care facilities and just ban the religious from entering them?

 

[Borisdog]

Based on what you've said, you're withdrawing you're original post of telling people to 'just ignore him'?

I have no issue with GT or Gillette at all, my point is I have no right to question people that do providing its a considered response.

Absolutely not re the withdrawal. I think ignoring this sort of dribble, from Folau or the outrage merchants, is the way to go. And I wasn't telling anyone to ignore him, I just thought that's what should've happened. FFS he didn't even abuse any of his targets, he just said he thought they were going to have bad things happen to them in an imaginary (IMO) place. It was all about RA protecting their sponsorship cash considering said donor's CEO's personal and very public utterances on most subjects to do with "homosexuality"

RA tipped fuel on a fire that very few people GAF about and cost themselves a very public humiliation. And probably a wad of cash too. To be fair to RA though they sure got put between a rock and a hard place by Folau on the one side and their sponsor on the other.

My only interest in this debate has been watching the self-righteous, self-appointed manipulators of opinion getting their noses out of joint. The argument between RA and Folau itself held no interest to me, after all I don't believe in "Insert Religious deity Head" and I don't GAF one way or another about homosexuality. Do what you want to do people, it won't change my life.

And it's "your" original etc.

Anyways, I've said my piece so that's me out.

 

[raskolnikov]

Not at all, you really have to move on

It's a win for people who don't want to be discriminated against at work for their personal religious beliefs.

The same people who will happily discriminate against gay people? **** em.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Not only will there be scrambling at RA, the paper pushers at the AFL, NRL etc. will be double checking their dotted i's and crossed t's.

How do you reckon the AFL would react if Gary Ablett Jr went full Folau?

Ablett and Matt Kennedy both copped a dressing down from Chairman Gil just for "liking" Izzy's tweet.

Israel Folau tweet: Gary Ablett 'spoken to' by AFL after liking rugby player's tweet

Gary Ablett and Carlton’s Matthew Kennedy have been spoken to by the AFL after the pair ‘liked’ Israel Folau’s controversial anti-gay tweet last week.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Ry009]

Absolutely not re the withdrawal. I think ignoring this sort of dribble, from Folau or the outrage merchants, is the way to go. And I wasn't telling anyone to ignore him, I just thought that's what should've happened. FFS he didn't even abuse any of his targets, he just said he thought they were going to have bad things happen to them in an imaginary (IMO) place. It was all about RA protecting their sponsorship cash considering said donor's CEO's personal and very public utterances on most subjects to do with "homosexuality"

RA tipped fuel on a fire that very few people GAF about and cost themselves a very public humiliation. And probably a wad of cash too. To be fair to RA though they sure got put between a rock and a hard place by Folau on the one side and their sponsor on the other.

My only interest in this debate has been watching the self-righteous, self-appointed manipulators of opinion getting their noses out of joint. The argument between RA and Folau itself held no interest to me, after all I don't believe in "Insert Religious deity Head" and I don't GAF one way or another about homosexuality. Do what you want to do people, it won't change my life.

And it's "your" original etc.

Anyways, I've said my piece so that's me out.

Yeah poles apart so agree to disagree.

 

[Lethality]

Christianity is homophobic, at least with this decision going Folau's way, we get to see the foibles of religion, and why it's outdated. This is better than trying to pretend it's not.

 

[Northalives]

So he didnt win? He has no right to speak his mind on religion issues?

Its interesting how the goal posts shift.

He got himself 8 million dollars and he loves it but he did not prove in court that he was wronged - it did not get to court! Is that so hard to understand?

If some f****ng idiot said that all Christians are evil and should be beheaded, is that acceptable? Is that exercising ones right to speak ones mind on religious issues?

Don't some of you get it? This has nothing whatsoever to do with freedom of speech. What Folau did was persecute a section of the community by hijacking a religion and to show how committed he was to the principle of being able to speak his mind, he took the money offered and ran away! He didn't say stuff you Rugby Australia, this is a matter of principle and no amount of money will stop me from proving my point, I want to see it through 'till the end. The born-again hypocrite took the doe! He's a f****ng joke as are the morons and knuckdraggers that reckon it's alright to use religion to persecute and make people suffer based on a persons/organisations interpretation of a religious book or passage.

This is not the f****ng Dark Ages. Leviticus 19:28 says ”You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.” God says so in order for "His" people to differentiate themselves from paganism. Going by this passage, Folau and everybody else who is tattooed are devil worshipers and they should be driven out, burnt at the stake, poisoned, assassinated, thrown into concentration camps and gassed to death.

 

[Dry Rot]

Hopefully his days of playing rugby of either code in Australia are over.

Is it true that Folau is resuming his stellar career at the Giants?

 

[Scotland]

So many people don't understand how Christianity works. There's this whole book full of old stuff and you pick and choose which of that stuff you like and which of that stuff you don't like. Once you've decided what's important (ie your own interpretation of what God wants) then you cry persecution if anyone calls you up on it. Simples.

 

[Cooldude]

Disappointed in Izzy tbh, if he was so moved by his faith and how he was persecuted, he should've taken it to court, win and set a precedent for the other religious folks

Instead he listened to his devil, took the money and ran with his greed.

Very sad, thought he was better than that

 

[Scotland]

He's always been a mercenary. Storm -> Broncos -> GWS -> Waratahs.

 

[Dry Rot]

Is the boss of Aust rugby a tranvestite? Nothing wrong with that, hats off if he/she is.

 

[Gough]

Funny how Australian rugby was a cluster f*** when Bill Pulver was running it but we've only seen people like Alan Jones losing his shit since Raeline Castle took over.

 

[Northalives]

Christianity is homophobic, at least with this decision going Folau's way, we get to see the foibles of religion, and why it's outdated. This is better than trying to pretend it's not.

It seems that Rugby Australia thought that it was in it's best interests to settle the matter - Folau obviously did as well otherwise, he'd have said no thanks to Rugby Australia and gone for the whole 14 million plus expenses and most importantly, if you were to believe Folau, prove that he has the right to say whatever the f**k he want's to because he's a Christian.

Let's get this straight because too many are viewing this as some kind of victory for Folau, it is not, nor is it a win for Rugby Australia other than this issue now being put to bed and the controversy ending.

Yesterday, a joint statement from Rugby Australia, NSW Rugby and Folau confirmed a settlement had been reached: "While it was not Rugby Australia's intention, Rugby Australia acknowledges and apologises for any hurt or harm caused to the Folaus.". "Similarly, Mr Folau did not intend to hurt or harm the game of rugby and acknowledges and apologises for any hurt or harm caused."

The joint statement above says that the matter is at an end and both parties are sorry for any harm or hurt and it was not their intention to do so. There was NO DECISION made by any court of law. The only decision made was by Folau who jettisoned principles for money. He banged on about his right to say what he wants about whomever he wants without having to take into consideration what consequences it may have for innocent people who have done absolutely nothing wrong. He was adamant that it was a principle that he had to uphold as a Christian but when he was confronted with a choice between principle and money, the f****ng **** chose the doe!