Fraser should be traded

[donnie5]

Who else thinks that Josh should be put up for trade? I honestly think that we should trade Fraser and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder and get a clearance type mid. Also think we should go for a crash and bash ruckman for his replacement, however i cant think of too many. Thoughts?


BTW Fraser is 27 now and he is really injury prone can we really rely on him when we are pushing for a flag? hes also missed the last 2 prelims against the Cats.

 

[Histrionics]

No.

When/if Josh can get fit again he will be the perfect 2nd ruck with Wood being our number 1.

If we get rid of him do you really want a Wood/L.Brown combination for a whole year?

There are currently no other ruckman on the market that could contribute to the team more than Fraser.

 

[mattys123]

2 reasons why we can't and shouldn't trade Josh.

1. We would get nothing for him, he is a 27 y.o. 202cm ruck rover with bad knees.

2. We would be left with one ruckman on our whole list. (Keefe is no where near it and Bryan will be delisted).

 

[donnie5]

yeah when Fraser is playing half the time he is injured and the other half he looks like hes high on the field. I dont think Josh will as good as he is now when we push for a flag. And i also said we should get a crash and bash ruckman for his replacement.

EDIT: We should push for Sandilands for Fraser and a 2nd round pick.

 

[StillWaiting5689]

yeah when Fraser is playing half the time he is injured and the other half he looks like hes high on the field. I dont think Josh will as good as he is now when we push for a flag. And i also said we should get a crash and bash ruckman for his replacement.

EDIT: We should push for Sandilands for Fraser and a 2nd round pick.

lol!!! You serious??

 

[mattdamon12]

Mark seaby is available hahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

yeah when Fraser is playing half the time he is injured and the other half he looks like hes high on the field. I dont think Josh will as good as he is now when we push for a flag. And i also said we should get a crash and bash ruckman for his replacement.

EDIT: We should push for Sandilands for Fraser and a 2nd round pick.

LOL, and the prize for stupidest post of all time goes to....... wait for it........ DONINIE 5....... well done donnie, im sure you trained hard to gain this coveted prize........

 

[mattys123]

Mark seaby is available hahahahahahahahahahaha

Yeah, he's a Troy Simmonds look a like.

 

[MarkT2]

First off, Fraser has limited trade value. Ignoring the fact he is injury prone and can't carry injury, what would a club see him as? He hasn't played a game as an effective forward for at least half a decade, probably since 2002 and even they were few and far between. His games as a winning ruckman don't number that many. He is a first class very tall midfielder but frankly who cares. rated up against the entire pool of AFL midfielders he wouldn't rate in the top 25. For his size he is quick adn agile but there is a rason why midfielders aren't his size.

When/if Josh can get fit again he will be the perfect 2nd ruck with Wood being our number 1.

We will not get rid of him. No chance in hell. He will be number 1 ruckman. Herein lies the beggining of the story of lost opportunity.

 

[Jonno_]

I don't like Fraser and I would love for him to be traded - if we could get something. The guy has about 3 good games a year and it seems enough to keep most people off his back.

But why is everyone so confident with Wood? He had a good half, and a good game against Adelaide, but
a) his build is like fraser make 2 ... why can't we get a ruckman with some muscle
b) he shanks way too many contests and seems soft.

Maybe he will be it, but for now I'm not convinced and don't see why everyone seems so confident to say '2010 should be Wood with Fraser #2'.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I agree that Fraser should be traded IF we were in a position to trade.

So obviously he isnt going anywhere.

I really dont want Seaby and i wish we would all just see that he is not the answer.

How about Fraser & Davis to Freo for Sandilands.

I know it's not going to happen but would be closer to the mark

 

[Krueger]

I wouldnt lose any sleep if Fraser was traded. He cannot dominate a position, be it in the ruck or up forward and is just a floater. The only really good game I can remember Josh playing was in the state of origin game a while back.

We should go for a big developed ruckman who is currently struggling to get a game like Jamie Charman. He wont get s sniff with Clark and Leuenberger on their list.

He is a little injury prone but its worth the risk. Delist Bryan and a get Charman!

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Everyone thinks ruckman are easy to get - clubs with decent ruckman are just waiting for an offer, however stupid, and bingo! We've got ourselves a Sandilands or a Cox or Charman and all we have to give up is a 2nd round pick and the worst number 1 draft pick to play since Des Headland. Fraser could almost receive a disability pension he is so riddled with injuries.

I have no faith in Fraser. Though I have seen him play good games from time to time, mostly its his nothing games that I remember. The reason peole believe Wood is a better choice as no.1 ruck is not because Wood is a great player, but rather because he is the lesser of two evils.

Fraser and Davis are two players unable to make a decent fist of looking eager and involved when they are carrying injuries. Davis gives us more than Fraser in the H&A season. Both give us nothing in finals, if for different reasons.

Fraser is needed next year. He is all that we have. We cannot replace him quickly. Other clubs must be well aware of his limitations, and will not give much to acquire his services. We are stuck with him and may as well milk him of what he has left in him.

Ultimately, Fraser's demise is Malthouse's fault for playing him from day 1 as our first ruck. Does anyone remember Bruce McAvaney going all misty-eyed after calling a Collingwood game, and saying 'I think I've just seen the best player ever!' Seems a long time ago now.

 

[Markfs]

If I remember correctly, Fraser was the ONLY choice for ruck on that day. Mathouse said that he wanted to give him time ....but the club had been so bad at recruitment in the 1990s that we didnt have anyone who could take a mark, jump or kick a football, other than bucks, rocca, burns and one and two others.

But that doesnt mean we should forgive Mathouse for note finding someone better in the last decade. I still cant understand how a man who believes in the footballer built for finals, continues to stick with un undersized non-aggressive player like Fraser.....it puzzles me...

I wouldnt trade Fraser, but I would recruit a ruckman if one is available....

 

[greenred]

I agree that Fraser should be traded IF we were in a position to trade.

So obviously he isnt going anywhere.

I really dont want Seaby and i wish we would all just see that he is not the answer.

How about Fraser & Davis to Freo for Sandilands.

I know it's not going to happen but would be closer to the mark

Closer than what?

Fraser's trade value is zero. He's not a good ruckman and he's had too many injuries. Sandilands is the best in the competition, he is younger and he is more durable.

Neon Leon crumbles under pressure. Yes, we all saw it too, it's not a secret only Collingwood get to know. He is also too old and Fremantle already have a number of talented young small forwards in Ballantyne, Mayne and Walters on their list - they aren't going to take on an older player at the expense of developing one of these kids.

 

[libsug]

Fraser has a degenerative knee injury and would be very difficult to trade for any value. I expect he will be played much more in the forward line in the future. Collingwood are currently making a major play for Darren Jolly, to bolster the ruck division. Don't know what the offer is, but it has been in the works for quite a while. And yes, I know he is under contract- just sharing the info that I have.

 

[mattys123]

Fraser has a degenerative knee injury and would be very difficult to trade for any value. I expect he will be played much more in the forward line in the future. Collingwood are currently making a major play for Darren Jolly, to bolster the ruck division. Don't know what the offer is, but it has been in the works for quite a while. And yes, I know he is under contract- just sharing the info that I have.

I hope your information is correct, especially when it comes to Jolly. Jolly is a ruckman capable of being All Australian and is in the prime age category for a ruckman, 28-32.

Time to strike now pies, we need a ruckman and a forward next year or we will have to wait till Bucks takes over in 2012.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

For Darren Jolly, I would give them our first pick +any one of: Fraser, Rusling, Cox, Davis, and half a dozen or so others. Won't happen. Why would Sydney let Jolly go?

 

[Bloben]

The Jolly thing smells funny to me. Although if Sydney are thinking that they are no chance in the next few years then they may be open to trading a player of high quality but limited longevity.

I would get a wee bit giddy with excitement if this was to eventuate however it is important to remember that tis the beginning of silly season and these kind of rumours are only beginning

 

[kevind]

For Darren Jolly, I would give them our first pick +any one of: Fraser, Rusling, Cox, Davis, and half a dozen or so others. Won't happen. Why would Sydney let Jolly go?[/quote]


It is often not the case of a club having the deciding hand. It usually works out that another club makes an offer to a player. The player decides he wants to move, then informs his club and they are forced to deal.

Due to the fact that no club would be willing to fight a restraint of trade case in the courts, because they know they would not win, a type of free agency exists already, as long as there is not a breach of contract involved. This has come about via involvment of the Players Association in their rection to the Nick Stevens case. So players usually get to where they want to go, as long as contracts are not involved.

The trouble for us in getting Jolly is that very few players want to leave their present clubs for Collingwood. We are good at attracting players who are out of favour and desperate for another chance, but we don't attract the better players. Why that is so, we can only speculate.

In this case, if Jolly says to the Swans, "I want to go to Collingwood and there is nothing you can do to make me stay", and he is out of contract,then he will be at Collingwood next year.

 

[donnie5]

\well done donnie, im sure you trained hard to gain this coveted prize........

Yes just like Freo has worked hard for there prizes... oh wait for it......... THEY DONT HAVE ANY.

 

[captain peanut]

Fraser has a degenerative knee injury and would be very difficult to trade for any value. I expect he will be played much more in the forward line in the future. Collingwood are currently making a major play for Darren Jolly, to bolster the ruck division. Don't know what the offer is, but it has been in the works for quite a while. And yes, I know he is under contract- just sharing the info that I have.

i haven't heard that coll are having a crack at him but have heard from someone in the syd back offices that jolly is available for the right trade. swans know that he won't be around when they are ready to have another crack and are prepared to let him go back to melb to a club that might deliver him finals footy and another flag before he retires

swans are rebuilding and won't be seeing any finals action for at least the next couple of years and realistically are a minimum 5 years away from being in a positiion to maybe have another crack at a a flag. so it makes sense for them to move jolly on if they could get say a top 12 pick and a pretty handy younger player

 

[daics cousin]

Offer our third round pick for Seaby or second round for Mumford of geelong

 

[DaVe86]

I'm not totally against it if we were to also recruit a charman or Seaby cheaply.

Fraser DOES have value. Not as much as we would internally think due to his knee injury...but the fact is that we will have to be willing to part with a good player to recruit a good one.

Out of everyone on the list, I am more inclined to trade Josh than a Davis or Cloke.

Though Davis did not play well in finals...atleast he was there. Something Fraser is consistently not.



If we made a serious play on Burgoyne, Fraser would have to factor in because they need a ruckman now with Lade gone.


Pick 14 carries little value this year because of how shallow the draft becomes.


Would prefer to keep Josh, but if the right player becomes available i would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Pie eyed]

For Darren Jolly, I would give them our first pick +any one of: Fraser, Rusling, Cox, Davis, and half a dozen or so others. Won't happen. Why would Sydney let Jolly go?

I certainly would not swap the entire side.

I would be very interested in Jolly.
He would ice our ruck cake, complement Fraser and giving Wood further time for development as well as and excellent role model.

First round pick and steak knives.