Autopsy Frees in Port and other games

[werner]

I haven't heard anything as a result, so it must be me, and there is a simple explanation?

The Sam Colquhoun mark at the end against Carlton. Controlling umpire pays a mark, another umpire overrides the decision as an incorrect one. Ball up. Ok ....

Now I'm certain at least twice a Carlton player marks, and fumbles, but the umpires are too quick with the whistle, and pay marks that clearly weren't controlled. Why doesn't another umpire then step in and call for a ball up?

Not saying it's a conspiracy against Port, but maybe an example has been set? We see every now and then when the umpire blows the whistle for a mark prematurely, and looks a bit sheepish when the ball is fumbled.

I just don't get it.

 

[RedCentrePower]

Did any of those umpires from the Carlton game get a game this week?

 

[PropertySteward]

Did any of those umpires from the Carlton game get a game this week?

Hosking and Wallace did. Nicholls didn't. Obviously resting him for the Sydney game.

 

[butchyboy101]

I haven't heard anything as a result, so it must be me, and there is a simple explanation?

The Sam Colquhoun mark at the end against Carlton. Controlling umpire pays a mark, another umpire overrides the decision as an incorrect one. Ball up. Ok ....

Now I'm certain at least twice a Carlton player marks, and fumbles, but the umpires are too quick with the whistle, and pay marks that clearly weren't controlled. Why doesn't another umpire then step in and call for a ball up?

Not saying it's a conspiracy against Port, but maybe an example has been set? We see every now and then when the umpire blows the whistle for a mark prematurely, and looks a bit sheepish when the ball is fumbled.

I just don't get it.

In the second scenario, the umpire should actually call play on. As in if the umpire calls it prematurely then a quick play on will follow.

You could make the argument that the same should have applied to Sam's cancelled mark, but unfortunately the law book treats it differently. I wouldn't be surprised if the law committee review this law.

 

[werner]

In the second scenario, the umpire should actually call play on. As in if the umpire calls it prematurely then a quick play on will follow.

You could make the argument that the same should have applied to Sam's cancelled mark, but unfortunately the law book treats it differently. I wouldn't be surprised if the law committee review this law.

Good to see your thoughts on this Scott, from your side of the fence. My reply is that we'll the umpires did not call play on after premature decision. So did the umps get it wrong on those plays, in your view?

 

[tribey]

How good was Goodes' opening goal for literally tripping over his own prostrate teammate, giving a closing Jonas no chance to avoid collapsing on top of him.

Reeked of Jacobs' opening goal in last year's second Showdown when he tripped over his own feet.

An absolute tonesetter for the way the game would pan out.

 

[The Hobo]

How good was Goodes' opening goal for literally tripping over his own prostrate teammate, giving a closing Jonas no chance to avoid collapsing on top of him.

Reeked of Jacobs' opening goal in last year's second Showdown when he tripped over his own feet.

An absolute tonesetter for the way the game would pan out.

Yeah that was a shocker - but umpiring for rest of the game was ok

 

[mic59]

How good was Goodes' opening goal for literally tripping over his own prostrate teammate, giving a closing Jonas no chance to avoid collapsing on top of him.

Reeked of Jacobs' opening goal in last year's second Showdown when he tripped over his own feet.

An absolute tonesetter for the way the game would pan out.

Not a shocking umpire's decision as that is the rule and had it happened to a Port player we would have got the free. But a shocking rule, the umpire could see Goodes fell and caused Jonas into his back, should have been play on.

 

[butchyboy101]

The Port board has been harsh on the umpires the last few weeks, however must say I thought tonight was one of the best umpiring performances I've seen for the year. Free kicks were low which was exactly what the game called for. Probably counted three obvious errors (two favoured Collingwood, one favoured Port). Those three umpires out there are probably the best in the game at the moment, and I think they showed why! Let the game go, no silly 50/50 rubbish and for the most part only paid the really obvious free kicks.

 

[mic59]

A lot was let go tonight, Schulz was knocked from pillar to post in the first quarter and got nothing. Then a free that he got in the second quarter was softer than any of the hits he had received earlier. But at least the umps were consistent. There were occasions when I thought one of our players would be called up but they let it go as they did with Collingwood.

 

[Long live PAFC]

What happened with Adams and Westhoff? Should Hoff not have got a free there as an umpire was right there and saw the head high contact?

 

[butchyboy101]

What happened with Adams and Westhoff? Should Hoff not have got a free there as an umpire was right there and saw the head high contact?

The umpire at the scene was the emergency umpire, technically he can pay a free kick, but they never do. Will be interesting if the AFL review that and put our an instruction to pay it.

Was a obvious free though, so if an actual umpire saw it, it would have been paid.

 

[El_Scorcho]

The Port board has been harsh on the umpires the last few weeks, however must say I thought tonight was one of the best umpiring performances I've seen for the year. Free kicks were low which was exactly what the game called for. Probably counted three obvious errors (two favoured Collingwood, one favoured Port). Those three umpires out there are probably the best in the game at the moment, and I think they showed why! Let the game go, no silly 50/50 rubbish and for the most part only paid the really obvious free kicks.

Agree. They put the whistles away in the rain, which was absolutely the right decision, and although there were a few calls for free kicks from the crowd, it make the match flow so much better.

Nicholls barely sighted. Unheard of.

 

[Forzaport]

Umpiring was the best I've seen it all year I reckon. Nicholls and Meredith must somehow cancel each other out for futtbucking Port..

 

[LFC2010]

How the f*** didn't we get a free kick downfield when Gus got smashed late in that last qtr!.

Oh I Forgot!!! Stonewall decision that is made 99 times out of 100.

 

[El_Scorcho]

When they've blown their whistle for a free once in the last 40 minutes or so, i'm not going to pick on them for individual ones. I thought the Gus hit was a bit late and I called out for a free, but in the context of the way they were letting it go, it would have been very, very soft.

 

[scotty13]

When number 15 rocked up... I though here we go again... but tonight the umpiring wasn't to bad. I think the only obvious one which will get looked at is the knee to the Hoff.

Im glad though for once they were consistent, what was let go for one side was let go for the other side too... overall a good effort by the umpires, and given the condition of the match and the emotion in the match a bloody good effort...

however number 15, please... dont come back to SA... lets become our own country and not let this bugger through customs

 

[Long live PAFC]

The umpire at the scene was the emergency umpire, technically he can pay a free kick, but they never do. Will be interesting if the AFL review that and put our an instruction to pay it.

Was a obvious free though, so if an actual umpire saw it, it would have been paid.

Cheers for the explanation.

I agree with your early sentiment that overall the umpires were quite good last night and were consistent. You have to give them credit, with 45000 deeply involved fans in a cauldron and a game that was already very emotional, it would have been very difficult to not get sucked into frees.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

How the hell can the umpires justify only paying 1 free kick in the last 38 minutes?? There was so much scragging and over the shoulder stuff there were heaps of frees in that time. I dont get why umpires put the whistle away in the last quarter.

 

[mic59]

How the hell can the umpires justify only paying 1 free kick in the past 38 minutes?? There was so much scragging and over the shoulder stuff there were heaps of frees in that time. I dont get why umpires put the whistle away in the last quarter.

I agree. Consistency is one thing but my maths teacher would not have praised me for being consistently wrong. If the free is there, and 40 minutes of football without a free is, or should be, unheard of, then pay it. In this fast game that we play these days the non-payment of frees gives a huge advantage to the more aggressive team.
Teams are scragging us with what earlier were illegal moves, getting the ball to the ground and running away with it. Years ago you would see a forward in space about to take a mark, a defender coming back to them and you knew if the forward was spoiled then they would get the free for the front-on contact. This happens very little today unless it is significant.

Jay Schulz has a total of 14 frees this year, including 9 in three games. He has been bashed and his arms pulled whenever the ball is near him. Justin Westhoff only has 5. He has 73 contested disposals (excluding the Collingwood game) so that is only 6.8%.

But even Nat Fyfe gets very little from the umps. He has 405 disposals, 246 contested to round 14 and only 17 frees. His average of frees to contested disposals is pretty much the same, 6.9%.

 

[Port01]

After watching bits of Richmond/Carlton where there was a free everytime players got close to each other (55 frees compared to 15 thursday) I preferred the version where most of it is let go.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

After watching bits of Richmond/Carlton where there was a free everytime players got close to each other (55 frees compared to 15 thursday) I preferred the version where most of it is let go.

When there was one umpire, 70 frees per game was normal at VFL/SANFL/WAFL level and the game was open and plenty of contested footy. Its not the number of frees that are paid but the consistency of applying the rules to every quarter and every game, week in week out.

I can accept some adjustment for wet weather, but the were so many scragging, over the shoulder, deliberate out of bounds etc that were missed. Other weeks you just have to put body on body in a marking comp and they pay interfernce in the marking comp. Its the least professional part of the game.

I am sick of rule or interpretation of the week, where this week the get tough on something that they have missed for a few weeks, but all it means is they are concentrating so hard on one thing that they miss two or three other things.

 

[PowerKidd]

Thought the umpiring on Thursday was on point! Free kicks shud be paid only for blatent actions like a blatent in the back, Throw, HTB etc All this accidentally falling in the back in a tackle and stuff like that just grinds my gears I hate that stuff!

 

[RedCentrePower]

The umpire at the scene was the emergency umpire, technically he can pay a free kick, but they never do. Will be interesting if the AFL review that and put our an instruction to pay it.

Was a obvious free though, so if an actual umpire saw it, it would have been paid.

Credit for all the great game photos ozph1870, Excellent shots of the dog act -eye witness umpire 35.
WTF? Umpire 35 - whistle in hand & is miked up - failed to do what he is paid to do - bush job for him next week.

 

[RedCentrePower]

Taylor Adams Knees Justin Westhoff in the head - Slow Motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=46&v=FwDSJ851yQM