Roast Fremantle = Fail

[4#Didak#4]

If Perth teams are so upset about travelling perhaps they should have taken that into account before joining the AFL??

Unfortunately the AFL makes the draw, all the Melbourne clubs make their number one draw request to play Collingwood as their home game for their financial benefit, this suits the AFL & TV as it means more cash for them. We are fortunate to be in this position in many ways, but if you have any problems go & complain elsewhere.

Being a Perth team has a lot of benefits. By being a well travelled side, Perth teams actually have a far greater home ground advantage than any Melbourne team. By being able to travel a lot you have a better chance to win away than those sides visiting you. You also only have 1 home town derby a year. That to me sounds pretty good.

Collingwoods home ground advantage is significantly less, we rarely play non-Melbourne sides at the MCG. I would much prefer playing Freo twice a year than Carlton. We play well on the road & should beat Freo at the G. Both Carlton games are always a worry.

Some people always think the grass is greener on the other side.

 

[Quicky]

If Perth teams are so upset about travelling perhaps they should have taken that into account before joining the AFL??

Unfortunately the AFL makes the draw, all the Melbourne clubs make their number one draw request to play Collingwood as their home game for their financial benefit, this suits the AFL & TV as it means more cash for them. We are fortunate to be in this position in many ways, but if you have any problems go & complain elsewhere.

Being a Perth team has a lot of benefits. By being a well travelled side, Perth teams actually have a far greater home ground advantage than any Melbourne team. By being able to travel a lot you have a better chance to win away than those sides visiting you. You also only have 1 home town derby a year. That to me sounds pretty good.

Collingwoods home ground advantage is significantly less, we rarely play non-Melbourne sides at the MCG. I would much prefer playing Freo twice a year than Carlton. We play well on the road & should beat Freo at the G. Both Carlton games are always a worry.

Some people always think the grass is greener on the other side.

That point often gets conveniently forgotten in the travel debate. All things considered the AFL makes it as even as possible. The only thing I can think WA teams can honestly complain about is that the AFL could try and give them a longer break between games for recovery when they travel. No doubt there is a disadvantage in having to travel that often, but I think it gets overstated and is largely just the reality of having a footy team based in such an isolated city.

 

[CamTinley]

There are no benefits in being a Perth team regarding travel. It's like saying there are benefits to being a punch drunk boxer because he knows how to take a punch. The travel kills you week-to-week and then shortens your career.

When Perth teams are playing at home they are playing at home after having flown from Melbourne (or Adelaide) but sometimes from Launceston --> Melbourne --> Perth OR Canberra --> Melbourne --> Perth OR Brisbane --> Sydney --> Perth the previous week. Apart from Round 1.

These are the facts. I keep providing facts and only one Collingwood poster has even bothered to read and absorb what I have posted.

In the majority of Derby's the home team has lost. This has occurred in spite of the first nine being won by West Coast and the last five being won by Fremantle. In these cases there was an "overwhelming" difference in playing ability.

In the last 16 Derbys 11 have been won by the away team and 5 by the home team.

In the last 16 Showdowns 11 have been won by the home team and 5 by the away team.

The difference is that the Adelaide teams have only come from Melbourne (short distance) to play their high pressure match but the Perth teams have had to travel a long distance from Melbourne to play their high pressure match.

The other problem is that after a Derby, regardless of the result, both Perth teams generally lose, even the team playing at home.

 

[Quicky]

These are the facts. I keep providing facts and only one Collingwood poster has even bothered to read and absorb what I have posted.

Condescending much?

Did it occur to you that people just disagree with what you have written?

So you don't think Freo have a distinct home ground advantage playing in Perth?

 

[Bay Pie]

There are no benefits in being a Perth team regarding travel. It's like saying there are benefits to being a punch drunk boxer because he knows how to take a punch. The travel kills you week-to-week and then shortens your career.

When Perth teams are playing at home they are playing at home after having flown from Melbourne (or Adelaide) but sometimes from Launceston --> Melbourne --> Perth OR Canberra --> Melbourne --> Perth OR Brisbane --> Sydney --> Perth the previous week. Apart from Round 1.

These are the facts. I keep providing facts and only one Collingwood poster has even bothered to read and absorb what I have posted.

The benefits in the travel is that other teams are not used to it and no one has a better home ground advantage then Freo & West Coast.

You are yet to explain, given all the difficulties Freo face, why West Coast are the most successful team of the AFL era? The Lions (also travel alot) have 3 flags also although salary cap allowances aided those.

West Coast are from WA are they not? If travelling is such a disadvantage, how did West Coast become so successful, for so long? I think they made the finals every year from 1990 to 1998????

 

[CamTinley]

Condescending much?

Did it occur to you that people just disagree with what you have written?

So you don't think Freo have a distinct home ground advantage playing in Perth?

Sorry about that. I shouldn't have made that comment since the overwhelming majority of Collingwood people have been very good.

 

[CamTinley]

Condescending much?

Did it occur to you that people just disagree with what you have written?

So you don't think Freo have a distinct home ground advantage playing in Perth?

The home ground advantage is cut in half by the fact that we traveled from Melbourne the previous week immediately after a game.

The only home ground advantage we get is a Home game in Round 1 of the Home & Away.

If we play an away game in Round 22 and then an away final in the first week of the finals we have made double the normal amount of travel.

The away game disadvantage particularly after a Derby outweighs any home ground advantage.

 

[CamTinley]

The benefits in the travel is that other teams are not used to it and no one has a better home ground advantage then Freo & West Coast.

You are yet to explain, given all the difficulties Freo face, why West Coast are the most successful team of the AFL era? The Lions (also travel alot) have 3 flags also although salary cap allowances aided those.

West Coast are from WA are they not? If travelling is such a disadvantage, how did West Coast become so successful, for so long? I think they made the finals every year from 1990 to 1998????

The West Coast Eagles had 10 All-Australians in their 1992 -1994 teams due to concessions given to them. Sumich never made All-Australian due to the number of great FF's of the era. If he had snuck in then effectively half the team would have been All-Australians. You would expect that team to produce at least two flags.

The WCE won the other flag (by one point) during a more lenient drug testing regime. Let's leave it at that.

 

[CamTinley]

Condescending much?

Did it occur to you that people just disagree with what you have written?

So you don't think Freo have a distinct home ground advantage playing in Perth?

Well no-one can disagree with this.

Here are the number of times teams (Eastern States) have traveled to Perth in their last 40 Home and Away games against the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle.

Carlton 25
Port Adelaide 23
St Kilda 22
North Melbourne 21
Melbourne 21
Brisbane 20
Essendon 20
Geelong 20
Hawthorn 20
Richmond 20
Western Bulldogs 20
Sydney 18
Adelaide 17
Collingwood 14

These figures speak for themselves

 

[Arcassius]

You know Cam, this thread doesnt have to be you vs Collingwood Agree to disagree?

 

[mattys123]

HAHA.

4 posts in a row from an opposition supporter, I don't think I have ever seen that on our board before, gratz Cam, you will surely be nominated for a Winty for December, just for the effort.

 

[jdisc]

Subiaco oval: Has goal posts at both ends, has 50's at both ends, has a center square, only difference is, it's a couple meters bigger than the mcg

so it's a couple meters at a home ground vs. 4 and a half hours airtravel every second weekend

 

[4#Didak#4]

Well no-one can disagree with this.

Here are the number of times teams (Eastern States) have traveled to Perth in their last 40 Home and Away games against the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle.

Carlton 25
Port Adelaide 23
St Kilda 22
North Melbourne 21
Melbourne 21
Brisbane 20
Essendon 20
Geelong 20
Hawthorn 20
Richmond 20
Western Bulldogs 20
Sydney 18
Adelaide 17
Collingwood 14

These figures speak for themselves

I think you are overlooking the fact that we actually play Perth teams less than anyone else, so we are going to play less away than anyone else. The reason is that Melbounre based clubs request & want to play Collingwood twice every year. This is the benefit of having a massive supporter base. It is also just another off shoot of an unequal draw (i.e. not playing every side once or twice a year).

This means that most seasons we end up playing sides like Freo just once. As a lot of our away games are used up by Melbourne clubs the AFL only has a few away games to allocate to the 6 (soon to be 8) interstate sides. If you do the maths this is eventually going to mean that we play interstate sides more often at home than away. Freo solution: be successful, start attracting 50K plus to every game, massive TV ratings & fill the AFLs pockets with cash.

The gist of what you are saying is that we should play Perth teams more often away than we do at home. Thats great for Perth teams but it will mean we then do not play Adelaide,Sydney & Brisbane teams away much at all. Then suddenly we will have all those tossers on here complaining we never play them away. I much prefer Freo tossers as there are less of them .

You really need to look on the positive side of being a Perth side. The distance is as much your enemy as it is a friend. Your home ground advantage is much much greater than Melbourne sides. Your away disadvantage is also greater than Melbourne sides, but this is diluted due to being accustomed to travel.

The two greatest problems I see is not with the home & away fairness of advantages/disadvantages but with player longevity and also finals. The grand final will be in Melbourne & that is a huge advantage to Melbourne clubs. Freo Solution: move to Melbourne.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

What I want to really hear from Cam is, what does he propose the competition do about the fact that teams from interstate given there's you know, 14 sides based outside WA?

I really don't get the issue.

It is what it is, and it won't change.

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

There are no benefits in being a Perth team regarding travel. It's like saying there are benefits to being a punch drunk boxer because he knows how to take a punch. The travel kills you week-to-week and then shortens your career.

When Perth teams are playing at home they are playing at home after having flown from Melbourne (or Adelaide) but sometimes from Launceston --> Melbourne --> Perth OR Canberra --> Melbourne --> Perth OR Brisbane --> Sydney --> Perth the previous week. Apart from Round 1.

These are the facts. I keep providing facts and only one Collingwood poster has even bothered to read and absorb what I have posted.

In the majority of Derby's the home team has lost. This has occurred in spite of the first nine being won by West Coast and the last five being won by Fremantle. In these cases there was an "overwhelming" difference in playing ability.

In the last 16 Derbys 11 have been won by the away team and 5 by the home team.

In the last 16 Showdowns 11 have been won by the home team and 5 by the away team.

The difference is that the Adelaide teams have only come from Melbourne (short distance) to play their high pressure match but the Perth teams have had to travel a long distance from Melbourne to play their high pressure match.

The other problem is that after a Derby, regardless of the result, both Perth teams generally lose, even the team playing at home.

Shorter Cam; I hate Collingwood

 

[Pie eyed]

Well no-one can disagree with this.

Here are the number of times teams (Eastern States) have traveled to Perth in their last 40 Home and Away games against the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle.

Carlton 25
Port Adelaide 23
St Kilda 22
North Melbourne 21
Melbourne 21
Brisbane 20
Essendon 20
Geelong 20
Hawthorn 20
Richmond 20
Western Bulldogs 20
Sydney 18
Adelaide 17
Collingwood 14

These figures speak for themselves

I've listened long and hard but apart from a very faint slapping noise in the background they appear to be keeping MUM.

 

[Lockyer24]

This thread is a good case study in how a losers mentality can hold you back if you look for excuses. Plenty of interstate teams have won flags, yet the Freo muppets think they are the only ones who face challenges. Hilarious how they overlook the fact clubs have to travel all that way to play them on their own dung heap which neutralises the disadvantage of travel, and the draw is actually rigged for them too so that they travel all the way to Melbourne the minimum times.

I'm proud we had the hardest draw this year (with Essendon) and still won the flag - we didn't whinge about it we just saw it as a great challenge and got over the hump accordingly.

 

[Swooop]

This thread is a good case study in how a losers mentality can hold you back if you look for excuses. Plenty of interstate teams have won flags, yet the Freo muppets think they are the only ones who face challenges. Hilarious how they overlook the fact clubs have to travel all that way to play them on their own dung heap which neutralises the disadvantage of travel, and the draw is actually rigged for them too so that they travel all the way to Melbourne the minimum times.

I'm proud we had the hardest draw this year (with Essendon) and still won the flag - we didn't whinge about it we just saw it as a great challenge and got over the hump accordingly.

Maybe in fact the hard draw we had was part of the reason for the end result.

ie it may have really focussed the boys to the size of the job ahead...operation eat dumbo, one bite at a time.

Plus playing Dogs, Saints, Cats twice each (and winning four out of six of these) was a good dress rehearsal for the finals.

 

[Bay Pie]

The West Coast Eagles had 10 All-Australians in their 1992 -1994 teams due to concessions given to them. Sumich never made All-Australian due to the number of great FF's of the era. If he had snuck in then effectively half the team would have been All-Australians. You would expect that team to produce at least two flags.

The WCE won the other flag (by one point) during a more lenient drug testing regime. Let's leave it at that.

So we agree that if you have a good enough team to win a flag, travel doesn't matter.