Roast Fremantle = Fail

[Jezzitizle]

Is it just me or are the Fremantle supporters getting on your nerves ATM?

All i'm reading is how good they are, Macfarlin this , Grover that , absolute dud's that are front running flogs at best!

They make 1 finals series, beat an average Hawks side (wasn't the best year for the HFC) and get pumped by Geelong but think they are world beaters!

Win a few more games and a final in Melbourne....then start taking trash!

I hope that we absolutely hammer these pigs during the season and maybe even in a final would be the ultimate!

McPharlin murdered Franklin in that game.. he is a gun. And where the hell have you been reading about Grover? I've never seen him rated above honest trier.

Most of your supporters are quite humble, especially for ppremiers, so Im not offended. But thank you for showing me where the pie fan stereotyping comes from

 

[SHill Shall]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

There's a reason why no one gave us anything at all for him during trade week, think about it.

A trade is something that happens between a willing buyer and a willing seller. If the seller wants too much, a trade will not happen. Did you think about that?

 

[Boppo]

I can honestly say I haven't thought about Freo since the Tarrant trade went through... They occupy an impossibly small part of my consciousness.

Who do you see as genuine flag competition next year? Not Bulldogs, Saints or Geelong...surely they're going to be further away from beating you in 2011 than this year.

We're on the up but, well, who knows with Freo.

I think a Crows revival is a little premature.

Maybe Hawthorn.

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

I've lived a mile down the road from the Dockers for the last 20 years....in other words, I was here first. They didnt get much of a handout from the AFL in their first year and ended up with the cream of the WAFL being coached by a very good water polo coach called Gerard Neesham, who happened to get a few games with the Sydney Swans.

They were a motley crew and they a reputation for playing the role of "bunny" in trade swaps.....They had a seriously flawed song and they used to fall to pieces whenever they played away from Subi.

However, through it all, the Freo supporters have kept their voice, their humour and their respect. Unlike their wining-sipping cousins who support the Beagles, the Dockers people have paid their dues...

Now, it might be that I have a soft spot for them because they're a mile down the road but I think that they deserve a tip at the big one...

And if someone told me that the Dockers were going to play us next year in the Grand Final...I would say "Lock that one in Eddie"

Out of all the interstate teams, I have most respect for Freo. I think in the long run, their "slow start" and lack of early sucess has bred a very good, commited culture in their fans. I mean take their cross town rivals. The eagles to me just permiate this souless boring experience. Would have to be one of the tackiest inventions in Australia.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

A trade is something that happens between a willing buyer and a willing seller. If the seller wants too much, a trade will not happen. Did you think about that?

NO ONE OFFERED US ANYTHING FOR JACK ANTHONY. (Well of any real worth at all, I know that the most offered was a 4th round pick)

Did you think about that?

 

[Subprime]

Have always liked Freo and would barrack for them in a GF against any other side.

Since its that time of the year, I recommend for anyone looking for a good footy book at Christmas, Freo - Way To Go by the late great Matt Price.

Its a great read.

 

[Swooop]

Who do you see as genuine flag competition next year? Not Bulldogs, Saints or Geelong...surely they're going to be further away from beating you in 2011 than this year.

We're on the up but, well, who knows with Freo.

I think a Crows revival is a little premature.

Maybe Hawthorn.

IMO, still Cats, Saints, Dogs, Hawks are the main contenders.

Then Freo. Maybe Dees next...they've got a dream draw this year, should make the 8, and they match up really well against our boys.

Blues should be better with Kreuzer back, and Judd is a megastar.

I think your boys will have a really good year, and it may come down to whether you play your finals at home or not, because so far, there is a still a big divide b/w home and away, maybe moreso for Freo than anyone else??

If you asked the players and coaching staff, they'd say everyone is a threat probably, and that's just how i'd like them to think.

PS i can well understand Freo getting excited this year, it's been a slow and frustrating run you've had, but it seems to be coming together really well now. Dreadful news re Morabito, v sorry to hear that.

Hope JA does well for you, will be very, very interesting to see how he goes..I know it's stating the obvious, but he may make it, he may not.

How he is used and coached is probably what will determine it...I expect he'll put everything into it early on, and how he goes in the first few, may be more important in his case, than on average.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

cool thread guys, speaks volumes ...

 

[Bay Pie]

Hardly anyone on our board really rates Grover in fact I would say half our board wouldn't even have him in our 22 http://bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=758570 . McPharlin may not be what he was a few years ago but he is still a very good defender. Luckily for us we have a very easy schedule with a massive 12 home games should cement us an easy spot in the top 4

How many times does Freo have a distinct Home ground advantage? ie. Opponent has to travel to play on your home ground. Pies travel for 4 games and 4 games against opponents who have to travel with 14 neutral ground games. In 2010 it was travel 4 times & 2 games opponents who travelled. Freo play 10 games where opponent travels and 10 games where they travel with 2 neutral games. Appears home ground advantages are farily similar

Headland and Mcpharlin to name two

McPharlin yes. Still rate him highly. Headland no. He was an absolute game in the Lions midfield in 2002??

He delivers the goals like a key forward and I find him to be a good mark as well. Maybe he is a tall medium forward but that has worked for the dogs. Better forward option than Johnson as well

Worked for Dogs??? How so?? To reach prelims. If your gunning for prelims, rip in, most are gunning for the biggy.

Personally, I have no problem with Freo. Friend of mine follows them and I wish them well. Just not at our expense. They have alot of quality youngsters but their 3 best players for mine are Pav, McPharlin (both 30 next year) and Sandi (29 next year). If they don't snare one soon, they'll need to develop some quality key position guys and a gun ruck. Not sure they have any potential ones at the moment.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

I rate McPharlin...

Their other backman, that Tarrant bloke, is much better


On Jack, he will kick a lot of goals for Fremantle. He is a very good young FF, one of the best in the comp. He would have ripped it up last season but he had no preseason to speak of.

His problem in 2009 (even though he kicked 50 goals in his first full season as a forward) was his lack of strength against the monster backmen. He needed to get stronger over the preseason but his injury and lack of training meant he got weaker. This meant that not only could he not compete for strength against the best full backs, but the average ones as well.

Anthony will be a fantastic FF if he gets a good run at it and he would have kicked 60+ goals this year if he had a full preseason and no injuries. Anyone arguing that he is a dud must have just eaten some sour grapes. Even though I rate Dawes, I still think Jack will end up the better forward. Dawes suits our forward setup better though so I think he would have played more games for us anyway had Jack stayed. Jack will suit a more open forward setup.

 

[Freomaniac]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

Yeah, he's been pretty good in the 5 career games where he either wasn't injured during the game for was carrying an injury into the game.

I'm praying beyond all hope that Freo make the top 4, how lovely would it be to get a home final against them in September, or even play them on Grand Final day, would be a free ride.

They still can't play away from home, at least against the better sides anyway, so Freo will not be a premiership contender this season IMO.

As I said though, they may make top 4, with 12 home games and other games against some easybeats interstate, they could rack up 15-16 wins.

My team was going brilliantly until round 7 when collingwood beat my mob at Subi. I disagree that we cant play away from home, I can remember three teams we beat outside of WA in 2010, Brisbane at the Gabba, Swans at the SCG and Carlton at Ethiad. Swans and Blues made the 8.

Freos season went down hill when Barlow broke his leg. Cant believe AFL gave us crap for bringing an undermanned team against the hawks at round 21. We didnt want another player out for the season.

Fortunately we beat carlton at round 22 and got a home final.

I rate McPharlin as a solid player. hes not a superstar.

I dont think my teams fan base is arrogant. If we are we have the right to be since freo still get 30-35,000 fans turn up every home game even if were in the bottom 4. Cant say the same thing to port adelaide or some smaller vic clubs.

Oh and I had the guts to watch that game in 2009 at aami where we kicked 1 goal the whole game.

Any crap saying that freo will make the top 4 is stupid. My team was lucky to get a home final let alone make it. Freo will finish 7th this year.

 

[Scodog10]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

cool thread guys, speaks volumes ...

So does your input

CamTinley if you've done the distribution for all teams perhaps post Fremantle's to enlighten us all. As for the balance of free kicks Collingwood received 2 less than their opposition throughout the entire length of the year. So on the balance of things our midfielders were about even.

Thank christ we got our favourite umpires each week or the differential would have been -100

 

[Scodog10]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

Also CamTinley you only covered 53 of a possible 78 umpiring slots over the course of Collingwood's season in the data you put forward. What happened to the rest did it not support your argument so you chose not to use it?

Interesting also that Fremantle had Margetts 6 times, Nicholls 5 times, Ryan 5 times and McInerney 5 times throughout the season, not including finals, that hardly seems like an even distribution to me...

 

[Pera]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

cool thread guys, speaks volumes ...

Thanks champ, stop tanking.

 

[Ed D]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

I've never really liked Freo (being a Pies supporter I don't like many teams) but with them being an interstate team that's been struggling I never really heard much from their supporters. This year was different, except most of their arguments were all around how Collingwood had so many games at the MCG and that sort of crap. Always the same arguments but none of them could say what the actual advantages were. It was just like reading out random stats and then saying how unfair it was.

I can't believe someone is now complaining about what umpires we got during games...

What's going to be the next argument? We have an unfair advantage because of the time of day we play at?

 

[CamTinley]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

Also CamTinley you only covered 53 of a possible 78 umpiring slots over the course of Collingwood's season in the data you put forward. What happened to the rest did it not support your argument so you chose not to use it?

Interesting also that Fremantle had Margetts 6 times, Nicholls 5 times, Ryan 5 times and McInerney 5 times throughout the season, not including finals, that hardly seems like an even distribution to me...

I just didn't think it was necessary to put all the umpires in. Two or three games is the normal amount of games an umpire should get against each team. Why would I need to put in the normal numbers. I chose to put in the abnormal and the completely absurd numbers.

The ones I didn't put in were irrelevant to the argument.

My point is that none of the umpire appointments are random. They should be.

One of the main reasons in favour of a fair spread of umpires is because they decide the Brownlow. There are some players umpires like and some they don't.

 

[ballanFYNE]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

What's going to be the next argument? We have an unfair advantage because of the time of day we play at?

I'm sure you'd be slightly, slightly more fatigued at night than the afternoon due to moving around more, but Fremantle mainly play Sunday afternoon games anyway so i'm happy

 

[Pera]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

The umpires post is on of the most absurd and idiotic posts i have ever read. So we are getting all the good umpires while other sides around the competition are getting the less experienced umpires and therefore, bringing down the quality of matches. Are you serious?

Put up some free kicks stats and some other garbage to make your post a tiny bit less idiotic and a bit more relevant. If your struggling to cope with Collingwoods premiership, keep that crap on your board.

facepalm.jpeg

 

[SHill Shall]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

NO ONE OFFERED US ANYTHING FOR JACK ANTHONY. (Well of any real worth at all, I know that the most offered was a 4th round pick)

Did you think about that?

Oh Brother - you're clearly not thinking at all. We offered you far more for him during trade week than you ended up getting, and that was far more than a 4th round pick.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

There are 30 AFL umpires. A fair allocation would mean that every team would have 24 umpires twice in the home and away season + 6 umpires 3 times.

Collingwood got ...

Stevic 7 times
Rosebury 6 times + 3 finals = 9 times
Ryan 6 times + 3 finals = 9 times
McBurney 5 times
Chamberlain 4 times + 4 finals (every one) = 8 times
Pannell 4 times
Vosso 4 times

Grunn 0 times
Hay 0 times
Jennings 0 times
Keating 0 times
Schmitt 0 times
Sully 0 times
Armstrong 1 time
Dalgliesh 1 time
Kennedy 1 time
Margetts 1 time
Mollison 1 time
Stewart 1 time
Wenn 1 time

There are huge advantages in having umpires you're familiar with. I have umpired football and cricket (both in a paid capacity) and other sports in a non paid capacity.

Players eventually work out or know umpires and how they work. If you get an umpire you don't know there is a certain amount of anxiety.

There is no way the above situation should arise. Even if only for Brownlow Medal voting. If for example in a hypothetical situation umpire X didn't like player Y and he had him 8 times in a season. There is almost no way he would win the Brownlow. He may get votes but 3's could easily turn into 2's and 2's into 1's etc.

Applecross not keeping you busy enough?

 

[mattys123]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

Oh Brother - you're clearly not thinking at all. We offered you far more for him during trade week than you ended up getting, and that was far more than a 4th round pick.

Oh sister, you are surely unaware that you offered your 3rd round draft pick for him, and in the compromised draft that has just passed, that was the equivalent of a 4th round pick.

Bit slow over there hey.

 

[Selggad]

Good thread. Also good to see most Collingwood fans are not as silly as the OP. Cheers guys. We are pretty excited about the future, and with some justification. It is the first time in our history that we have had the club all running well and not decimated by factionalism and poor administration. Hopefully we are building the foundations for a future that is consistently professional and this leads to success. Some of our supporters are a bit cocky, but we've still got a long way to go before we challenge the arrogance of many other clubs. Any serious Freo supporter knows exactly where we sit.

The umpiring information post is intiguing. What the reason or outcome of the bias is can't really be told from the data, but the fact that umpiring distributions are heavily skewed is of itself an interesting piece of information.

Finally congrats on your flag - and I'd have to admit the majority of Pies fans have been pretty decent and not carried on like the fans of some other clubs that have been recently successful Good luck in 2011. Everyone knows how hard back-t-backs are, and while you guys look like you're in front of the pack at the moment, I'm tipping tight season next year. Everybody else will be modifying their game plan a little towards the pies second part of the 2010 season. Should be some good footy next year.

 

[CamTinley]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

The umpires post is on of the most absurd and idiotic posts i have ever read. So we are getting all the good umpires while other sides around the competition are getting the less experienced umpires and therefore, bringing down the quality of matches. Are you serious?

Put up some free kicks stats and some other garbage to make your post a tiny bit less idiotic and a bit more relevant. If your struggling to cope with Collingwoods premiership, keep that crap on your board.

facepalm.jpeg

How would free kick stats be relevant? I'm not saying that the umpires you seem to get regularly favour Collingwood because I don't think they do. The umpires don't favour Collingwood its the AFL that does. The umpires definately favour West Coast (not deliberately but they still so) but not Collingwood, as far as I can see.

As I said before, you get the best umpires. They are the best because they are consistent and fair. That means that your players know that ... "If I do this then this will happen". For other teams it's a case of "If I do this then this might happen or something else might happen". They can't be as certain with the umpires that are not as good. Umpires lists are like club player lists. You could rank them 1 --> 32 if you wanted to.

The three umpires you had for GF2 were the same as you had for GF1 and also the same three as you had in your Preliminary Final. Chamberlain you in fact got every week of the finals.

The reason they umpired so well is because the players knew the umpires and knew that whenever they did something wrong they would get caught so they didn't do anything wrong. It was a case of the players responding to the umpires as much as anything else.

 

[CamTinley]

Re: Fremntle = Fail

I've never really liked Freo (being a Pies supporter I don't like many teams) but with them being an interstate team that's been struggling I never really heard much from their supporters. This year was different, except most of their arguments were all around how Collingwood had so many games at the MCG and that sort of crap. Always the same arguments but none of them could say what the actual advantages were. It was just like reading out random stats and then saying how unfair it was.

I can't believe someone is now complaining about what umpires we got during games...

What's going to be the next argument? We have an unfair advantage because of the time of day we play at?

The advantages of Collingwood playing at the MCG is that even if it's a Melbourne or a North Melbourne home game, Collingwood supporters will outnumber/out- cheer/out-boo the opposition supporters 2 to 1, or more. It's the crowd that gives a team the home ground advantage not the players being familiar with the way the grass is mown.

An example is the Western Derby. They're all played at Subiaco but a Fremantle home game means 40,000 Fremantle supporters verses 2,000 Eagles supporters and the opposite for when it's a West Coast home game. Of course the crowd will make a difference.

 

[jonbe54]

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The advantages of Collingwood playing at the MCG is that even if it's a Melbourne or a North Melbourne home game, Collingwood supporters will outnumber/out- cheer/out-boo the opposition supporters 2 to 1, or more. It's the crowd that gives a team the home ground advantage not the players being familiar with the way the grass is mown.

An example is the Western Derby. They're all played at Subiaco but a Fremantle home game means 40,000 Fremantle supporters verses 2,000 Eagles supporters and the opposite for when it's a West Coast home game. Of course the crowd will make a difference.

How is it there in the Q continuum????