Roast Fremantle = Fail

[CamTinley]

That is an interesting point. I wonder how the Collingwood v West Coast games look, because really we should be playing in WA at least once a year.

Of the last 20 West Coast Eagles v Collingwood home and away matches it's the same breakdown.

West Coast got 7 home games and 13 away homes ... and obviously
Collingwood 13 home games and 7 away games

 

[Breakthelines]

TBH peppy, I think breakthelines was just being a bit theatrical with his language to stir the pot a bit, get some robust discussion happening.

I think we're all a bit bored in the off season, and need a fix of footy.

And he succeeeded...almost 100 posts!! The net result was a pretty interesting thread with some great discussion...i think we know each others footy club and posters a bit better now and most of the chat has been great.

Given you had the Morabito injury right in the midst of all this, I think most would say your posters handled themselves really well and have successfully dispelled the provocative title thread assertions!

Well said Swoop.

Real shame about Morabito, great young player.
I i was trying to imply is that the club has done well this year with a finals appearance but has a bit further to go before Fremantle are there and I believe they will be in a couple of years.

I think the whole Tarrant/JA situation is setting the scene for a nice little rivalry to be honest, 2 young sides on the up.

Just over my mate and his BS, can't wait for the footy to start....although i'm enjoying Michael Vick & the Eagles in the NFL atm.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I've given up on explaining the umpire situation but the home ground issue is very relevant for Fremantle v Collingwood.

Since Fremantle have entered the competition we have played Collingwood 20 times in home and away matches.

Fremantle has received 7 home games
Collingwood has received 13 home games.

To balance this up Fremantle would have to play the next 6 Collingwood v Fremantle games at Subiaco/Pattersons.

How do we stack up against the South Aussie teams?

From memory we seem to play them more often in South Australia than in Melbourne... but the numbers are probably still off because of EARNED home finals against them in 02, 03 and 09. That said we also played them in finals away in 02 and 08 so I guess that evens out a little bit too.

FWIW, we've never lost to a South Australian side in a final now that I think about it.

 

[CamTinley]

How do we stack up against the South Aussie teams?

From memory we seem to play them more often in South Australia than in Melbourne... but the numbers are probably still off because of EARNED home finals against them in 02, 03 and 09. That said we also played them in finals away in 02 and 08 so I guess that evens out a little bit too.

FWIW, we've never lost to a South Australian side in a final now that I think about it.

Haven't done stats for the South Australian teams but I have done them for not-so-glamorous Melbourne teams.

Of the last nine Fremantle v North Melbourne games

Fremantle received 7 home games
North Melbourne received 2 home homes

This includes 6 consecutive games at Subiaco between 2003 and 2008, so the AFL doesn't have a problem balancing things up if they feel like it.

 

[CamTinley]

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Following North Melbourne's 1999 Premiership they got four consecutive home games against Fremantle. It seems that the AFL's fixture decision making is not as random as it could be/should be.

 

[frizzle]

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Following North Melbourne's 1999 Premiership they got four consecutive home games against Fremantle. It seems that the AFL's fixture decision making is not as random as it could be/should be.

Forget about conspiracy theories and favourtism suggestions. The scheduling every AFL season is invariably about how the AFL can make the most money.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Forget about conspiracy theories and favourtism suggestions. The scheduling every AFL season is invariably about how the AFL can make the most money.

Which means, invariably, that when Collingwood do get their home ground advantage over interstate teams we end up playing them at grounds that they are usually more familiar with over the course of a season than us (Etihad).

Sure, the crowd's one aspect, but there is intimate knowledge to be gained of grounds. At Subiaco there's usually one pocket that's relatively easy to score from because the wind usually carries the ball better from that pocket due to the shape of the stadium, so I remember a commentator musing once. The MCG usually has swirling winds, so moving to an indoor stadium like Etihad is a completely different experience and dilutes our home ground advantage.

 

[jonbe54]

Which means, invariably, that when Collingwood do get their home ground advantage over interstate teams we end up playing them at grounds that they are usually more familiar with over the course of a season than us (Etihad).

Sure, the crowd's one aspect, but there is intimate knowledge to be gained of grounds. At Subiaco there's usually one pocket that's relatively easy to score from because the wind usually carries the ball better from that pocket due to the shape of the stadium, so I remember a commentator musing once. The MCG usually has swirling winds, so moving to an indoor stadium like Etihad is a completely different experience and dilutes our home ground advantage.

As far as it goes yes a slight dilution but the big advantage is that we don't have to travel as both the teams and their supporters do, so perhaps a home state advantage is a more apt description.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

As far as it goes yes a slight dilution but the big advantage is that we don't have to travel as both the teams and their supporters do, so perhaps a home state advantage is a more apt description.

Obviously. But this dilution is something Fremantle don't face when they host us

 

[jonbe54]

Obviously. But this dilution is something Fremantle don't face when they host us

Agreed but most would take a different stadium to a different state any day of the week.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Agreed but most would take a different stadium to a different state any day of the week.

I'd take the different state personally... the way we travel.

 

[jonbe54]

I'd take the different state personally... the way we travel.

True enough the team does travel well. . . How about Joe Bloggs with his 4 kids, 2 cars and the mortgage from hell who can barely justify the cost of his membership?

Do you think he would prefer fork out for the extra petrol to travel to another venue or to get stuck for airfares, accommodation and meals?

 

[Tarkyn_24]

True enough the team does travel well. . . How about Joe Bloggs with his 4 kids, 2 cars and the mortgage from hell who can barely justify the cost of his membership?

Do you think he would prefer fork out for the extra petrol to travel to another venue or to get stuck for airfares, accommodation and meals?

Hmm, and how about Roe Cloggs, who lives in Perth and sees his club play once a year?

 

[jonbe54]

Hmm, and how about Roe Cloggs, who lives in Perth and sees his club play once a year?

If Roe forks out for a membership when he only gets to see him team play once a year he is either.

1. A super hardworking family man who is still supportive of his team even though he doesn't get full benefit from it - which makes him almost worthy enough to be allowed to barrack for the pies

2. To busy enjoying himself to be bothered barracking for his team which makes him almost worthy enough to follow the D's

 

[Tarkyn_24]

If Roe forks out for a membership when he only gets to see him team play once a year he is either.

1. A super hardworking family man who is still supportive of his team even though he doesn't get full benefit from it - which makes him almost worthy enough to be allowed to barrack for the pies

2. To busy enjoying himself to be bothered barracking for his team which makes him almost worthy enough to follow the D's

You have heard of interstate memberships haven't you?

The simple fact is that Victoria isn't the be all and end all of our football club. Notice how I used "our" there. We have support from all over Australia, and it wouldn't hurt us to play games interstate. It would hurt North Melbourne, and the Bulldogs, and all the other minnows that scramble for those last few away fixtures that resultantly cost teams like Fremantle and West Coast the opportunity to both host us in one season.

FWIW, West Coast are very consistent at pulling crowds, especially when they're up. To them, it doesn't make (much of) a difference in revenue terms to play us or Sydney or North or whoever because of the shitty little tin shed that is Subiaco. When they're up, they'll fill it week in week out.

But you better believe that the Collingwood ferals will claw and fight for tickets to watch their club, and you better believe that we will make more noise than any other interstate team. The only team that even remotely compares to us, is Richmond - and I've seen most teams play at Subiaco at some stage or another. You can't shut these supporters up. How's that fpr a home crowd advantage when the 40,000 are being out supported by 4,000?

 

[jonbe54]

Hmm, and how about Roe Cloggs, who lives in Perth and sees his club play once a year?

Can you show me anywhere in your post - see above - where it says ours? I may be 56 but I don't think my eyesight is quite that bad yet?

 

[Quicky]

Forget about conspiracy theories and favourtism suggestions. The scheduling every AFL season is invariably about how the AFL can make the most money.

Yep this sums up the motivation and thinking behind the AFL scheduling and nothing is going to change until we play each team the same ammount of times.

Collingwood gets unfairly criticised for our draws. Reality is we are a drawcard team and a cash cow for the AFL and our draw is often determined by how much money we can make for the AFL. It doesn't always work out in our favour, this year for instance our draw was among the most difficult. I realise we had a good late run of home games but we were given as much travel as most other Vic teams over the season and the quality of teams we had to play was definitely among the hardest probably behind only Essendon. In years that Carlton and Essendon are both up like the mid and late 90's, a time we were struggling, it was also a disadvantage. It works both ways.

I do feel for interstate teams that have to travel but really there is no avoiding it while there are so many Victorian based teams. It's just the reality of the situation and as expansion slowly creeps away will only get more even. I agree you could be sorted out better with the following weeks scheduling to help with recovery etc given the travel issues.

Just on the umpiring debate and not meaning to respark it but I think the link is tenuous at best, and even if it was an issue in the scheme of things not very important. There are so many things that can affect how well a team plays (injuries, coaching, drafting/trading, list quality etc etc) that it really is a small issue all things considered.

 

[E Shed]

Freo's home state advantage is great in terms of getting to the finals but there is no way it compares to Collingwood not leaving Victoria and playing the last 6 or however many games at the same ground the grand final is played on.
I acknowledge that Collingwood is an outstanding footy team at the moment and beat us fair and square on our home deck this year but IMO that sort of advantage ways heavily in their favour over interstate teams come finals time.

 

[DWil6]

So the way I see it, we have 2 legitimate home ground advantage games in 2011 versus west coast and brisbane at the G. We play port and adelaide at etihad and that isn't our ground but as it's interstate teams coming to Victoria, we can assume a 'home' ground advantage. We play 4 interstate games so that is a home ground advantage for the interstate teams we play. The rest are either at the G versus teams from Victoria that basically negates any home ground advantage we have, or at etihad, not our home ground. Comparable to having 11 home games in your home state? Perhaps but perhaps not... Thankfully we are blessed with the 'best umpires' in some of our games or we would be screwed. Now we can rely on the skills of our umpires to accurately place 3 votes on the best player each game. This will ensure the best player of the season wins the brownlow, I assume. No?

 

[Reginald Perrin]

But you better believe that the Collingwood ferals will claw and fight for tickets to watch their club, and you better believe that we will make more noise than any other interstate team. The only team that even remotely compares to us, is Richmond - and I've seen most teams play at Subiaco at some stage or another. You can't shut these supporters up. How's that fpr a home crowd advantage when the 40,000 are being out supported by 4,000?

Based on my attendances at Fremantle home games, neither Collingwood or Richmond can match the strength put together by WA Carlton supporters. Games Vs Carlton are the hardest to get parking at, and the noise from their supporters is not too shabby, although nothing compares to the noise from the Freo faithful. You can't really base anything on attendance at eagles games as its not that hard to drown out the sound of knitting needles.

Interesting thread btw. Its quite gratifying to see that Fremantle is considered such a threat.

 

[Ed D]

There are 10 clubs that are in the same situation with playing interstate. The only ones who play more are the ones who sell their home games like Hawthorn. So if crowd noise is the bigest advantage at Collingwood away games at the MCG, you also need to note that these games don't get sold out. So really people are saying it's unfair the Pies have more passionate supporters, which is pretty stupid. I think we might have even had more supporters than Port for their home game.

 

[peppy la pew]

TBH peppy, I think breakthelines was just being a bit theatrical with his language to stir the pot a bit, get some robust discussion happening.

I think we're all a bit bored in the off season, and need a fix of footy.

And he succeeeded...almost 100 posts!! The net result was a pretty interesting thread with some great discussion...i think we know each others footy club and posters a bit better now and most of the chat has been great.

Given you had the Morabito injury right in the midst of all this, I think most would say your posters handled themselves really well and have successfully dispelled the provocative title thread assertions!

You're right there Swoop, boredom in the off season and all.

I just took offence at being refered to as a ' Pig '. I am all for banter and bad taste, as are most on our board.

Anyway I don't want another card so good luck,

" oink oink "

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Based on my attendances at Fremantle home games, neither Collingwood or Richmond can match the strength put together by WA Carlton supporters. Games Vs Carlton are the hardest to get parking at, and the noise from their supporters is not too shabby, although nothing compares to the noise from the Freo faithful. You can't really base anything on attendance at eagles games as its not that hard to drown out the sound of knitting needles.

Interesting thread btw. Its quite gratifying to see that Fremantle is considered such a threat.

Must depend where you are tbh.

I've been to practice matches where Richmond and Collingwood supporters have been louder than any game that I've seen Essendon in.

 

[CamTinley]

Forget about conspiracy theories and favourtism suggestions. The scheduling every AFL season is invariably about how the AFL can make the most money.

Yes, and the way the AFL makes the most money is by favoring Collingwood.

Clubs like WCE and Fremantle don't need the extra money. I'm seeing this from a Fremantle perspective.

Another advantage Collingwood get from not traveling to Perth as often as they should, is in games following the Perth trip.

When teams travel to Perth they have had rehab for 5/6 days.
When teams leave Perth they are on the plane with their injuries and they are behind with their rehab.

This is Collingwood's record following home and away games following a Perth home and away game.

In the last 14 years you have played 13.

You have won 3 and lost 10.
Your average losing margin in more than 4 goals.
Closest loss was 20 points v Carlton in R3 2002
You have played Richmond three times following a Perth trip and have lost all of them and by an average margin of 28 points.

This situation is typical for most teams coming to Perth.

 

[PieBeast]

^^^ Dude, for your sake i really hope you get paid to spend countless hours on this futile research.