Geelong – most loved to most disliked?

[Smedts_2]

My view is less conspiracy and more that Geelong work at gaining the umpires attention to get free kicks for minor infringements.

The Johnson fake against Freo , the Bartel fake against hawthorn, the soft late game free in the forward line against Carlton, Selwood's 'accentuating' of contact, etc.

It actually seems like Geelong work to get the umpires attention - which in my view is pretty poor sportsmanship. Personally I don't like it and a big part of why I don't like the cats.

We had 100 more touches than you in the first half and the same number of frees. Then you won the game and had more frees. And you still whinge.

Absolutely unbelievable.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

We had 100 more touches than you in the first half and the same number of frees. Then you won the game and had more frees. And you still whinge.

Absolutely unbelievable.

I'm not complaining about the number - I'm saying I don't like it when players spend their efforts trying to get the umpires attention - and Geelong do plenty of that.

 

[Whiskers]

I'm not complaining about the number - I'm saying I don't like it when players spend their efforts trying to get the umpires attention - and Geelong do plenty of that.

Paul Puopolo, Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell.
Wonder how much extra hate we would get if they wore blue and white?
That's right the hawkers are major, major hypocrites.
Keep it going guys.
What else, 4 quarters of constant sustained free kicks are given to us?
We rank 7th in differential and the hawks are higher.
BF is overreaction central, beyond humerous.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Paul Puopolo, Jordan Lewis, Sam Mitchell.
Wonder how much extra hate we would get if they wore blue and white?
That's right the hawkers are major, major hypocrites.
Keep it going guys.
What else, 4 quarters of constant sustained free kicks are given to us?
We rank 7th in differential and the hawks are higher.
BF is overreaction central, beyond humerous.

I've said many times on here that I hate it when Puopolo does it.

But this is what happens - someone does and it works well (eg Selwood) and others think "wow- I'm a short arse! That could work for me".

Selwood constantly plays in a way to get free kicks. Johnson does it most weeks. When lining for a snap shot the Geelong players stand there telling the umpire where the opposition should be standing. Every ball that goes out of bounds gets appealed for deliberate. It's just endless. I sit there thinking "just play the damn game instead of playing for the umpires".

Lewis has done some shockers over the years too, but it's not the weekly occurrence that I see from Selwood and Johnson (two of the club's most senior players). Christensen and Stokes flip their heads back whenever they get a touch on the shoulder. Selwood looks stunned if he's tackled and doesn't get a free kick - he often gets up and starts complaining to the umpire about it and, doesn't happen as much, but frequently can be seen chatting to umpires as he walks off the field at half time. Chapman, one of the heaviest midfielder in the comp, would often fly forward in a tackle or when slightly bumped from behind in order to get the umpires to see it (either than or he had a chronic inner ear infection when at Geelong affecting his balance). Now Bartel is joining in. It's embarrassing that it happens and even more embarrassing when Geelong fans defend it.

Every team has a few that does it, but Geelong, and previously west coast, seemed to be the only ones that seemed to have a team directive to catch the umpire's attention,

If this is resulting in less free kicks than their opposition I'm pleased about that. This umpire centric crap is the wrong approach and I don't want to see it from anyone - especially my team. Unfortunately I'm seeing too many goals resulting from soft frees to Geelong players hamming up contact that was either very light or not there.

 

[Jeff76]

My view is less conspiracy and more that Geelong work at gaining the umpires attention to get free kicks for minor infringements.

The Johnson fake against Freo , the Bartel fake against hawthorn, the soft late game free in the forward line against Carlton, Selwood's 'accentuating' of contact, etc.

It actually seems like Geelong work to get the umpires attention - which in my view is pretty poor sportsmanship. Personally I don't like it and a big part of why I don't like the cats.

Hodge? Lewis? Poop?

 

[JUBJUB]

No one enjoys watching you anymore champ.

I'd say with recent crowd totals this statement applies to Collingwood

 

[Roddy]

We had 100 more touches than you in the first half and the same number of frees. Then you won the game and had more frees. And you still whinge.

Absolutely unbelievable.

Only the weak of mind and poor of argument quote stats as their sole point. Anyone who knows anything about football, knows that the free kick count doesn't tell half the story. Nowhere near it. The where and when you get them is significantly more important.

Personally I have lost all semblance of respect for the Cats. The amount of times they are helped over the line by dodgy umpiring calls is absolutely uncanny, it's too much to be a coincidence. It happens over and over and over, almost to the point where you can set your watch to it. My missus and I were driving north for a weekend away during the Cats-Blues game last week, listening to the game. Mid to late last quarter, I turned to her and said 'it's the Cats, it's close, watch the umpires intervene here and get them over the line'. No more than 2 minutes later, the Christensen free happens. We just looked at eachother and laughed, ironically. As if to say, 'it's happening yet again'.

Even worse than that, it's the overly entitled, prissy, whiny vibe of most of the side. It started with Stevie J (have a look at the '08 GF, at one stage in the 3rd quarter, I think, he falls out of a pack clutching his head like he's been shot, and you can clearly hear the ump say 'no, you're staging'. Been happening for years) and Duckwood and has infected most of the side. It was Porkins' turn the other night, did you see him? Lake dumps him in a tackle and he gets up, arms in the air, sooky entitled look on his face, as if to say 'umpy! Umpy! What about a free umpy?! You're supposed to be helping us out!' I've seen it from unexpected quarters like Taylor, Bartel takes a pathetic dive like he's been shot with a double barrelled shotgun, and of course the umpy falls all over himself blowing the whistle for a soft shot at goal. I've literally never seen anything like it in 40+ years of watching football. And it's been even worse since sooky Scott took over.

I'm certainly not saying other players don't take dives, don't appeal for frees and other sides aren't helped over the line in close games by dodgy umpiring calls, They certainly do/are. But it just happens so frequently with the Cats, virtually every week, it just has many of us scratching our heads and wondering what's going on. The second part of the above is culture, no question. The first part, I really don't know.....

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Hodge? Lewis? Poop?

Have already addressed it - if you can't even read the post directly above that deals with the question you're asking then I don't think I can help you.

 

[Connoisseur]

I've got no problems with Hawkins giving someone in the crowd one after kicking a goal. He has the runs on the board and would have been copping it to be honest. I have nothing but respect for those players who won multiple premierships playing a great brand of football, hell that playing group basically flicked a switch and became a legendary team.

The ones that get on my nerves are the Caddys or Motlops of that team who carry on as if they too have won multiple premierships. The ones who have come in to a strong team and haven't the same aura around them, if that makes sense.

I saw no difference between how Caddy, Motlop etc.. carry on and that little scrawny junk yard dog ugly as sin POS called Langford. Wished the Tomahawk has smashed him into a million little pieces in the first Geelong/hawk game earlier this year.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Personally I have lost all semblance of respect for the Cats. The amount of times they are helped over the line by dodgy umpiring calls is absolutely uncanny, it's too much to be a coincidence. It happens over and over and over, almost to the point where you can set your watch to it. My missus and I were driving north for a weekend away during the Cats-Blues game last week, listening to the game. Mid to late last quarter, I turned to her and said 'it's the Cats, it's close, watch the umpires intervene here and get them over the line'. No more than 2 minutes later, the Christensen free happens. We just looked at eachother and laughed, ironically. As if to say, 'it's happening yet again'.

.....

That's nice , were you both wearing matching cardigans at the time ?
Personally I couldn't give a continental whether you respect us or not , we're doing fine without your approval

 

[Leather Poisoning]

I saw no difference between how Caddy, Motlop etc.. carry on and that little scrawny junk yard dog ugly as sin POS called Langford. Wished the Tomahawk has smashed him into a million little pieces in the first Geelong/hawk game earlier this year.

Caddy, Motlop, etc (many players)
Langford (one player).

A Freudian acknowledgment that it's more widespread at your club than the opposition.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

That's nice , were you both wearing matching cardigans at the time ?
Personally I couldn't give a continental whether you respect us or not , we're doing fine without your approval

It's a thread about Geelong being hated and you're posting in it. Of course you care.

 

[I am Jack]

I don't think Geelong are disliked.
Certainly they were more liked when Ablett Jr was playing there.
Much loved figure in Victoria, the nicest bloke in football.
Add to that the retirement of Ling and Harley - good blokes for football.

 

[aCunningPlan]

Skip to about the 7th minute. Yeah Geelong have had crucial decisions at times go their way.

 

[Hodgepodge]

It's not only the constant diving, but then the media going to their defence, calling it smart or clever, or in the Bartel case claiming that it's the first time they've ever done it when they are serial offenders.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

It's a thread about Geelong being hated and you're posting in it. Of course you care.

You're half right LP - I do care about my Club but don't lose any sleep over what opposition supporters think

 

[Cheshire Cat]

The Janjaweed have a lot more killing to do to catch up to Pol Pot. Doesn't make it right

One dive's was an isolated incident, the other was routine. Wake up Chunky

 

[Whiskers]

Only the weak of mind and poor of argument quote stats as their sole point. Anyone who knows anything about football, knows that the free kick count doesn't tell half the story. Nowhere near it. The where and when you get them is significantly more important.

Personally I have lost all semblance of respect for the Cats. The amount of times they are helped over the line by dodgy umpiring calls is absolutely uncanny, it's too much to be a coincidence. It happens over and over and over, almost to the point where you can set your watch to it. My missus and I were driving north for a weekend away during the Cats-Blues game last week, listening to the game. Mid to late last quarter, I turned to her and said 'it's the Cats, it's close, watch the umpires intervene here and get them over the line'. No more than 2 minutes later, the Christensen free happens. We just looked at eachother and laughed, ironically. As if to say, 'it's happening yet again'.

Even worse than that, it's the overly entitled, prissy, whiny vibe of most of the side. It started with Stevie J (have a look at the '08 GF, at one stage in the 3rd quarter, I think, he falls out of a pack clutching his head like he's been shot, and you can clearly hear the ump say 'no, you're staging'. Been happening for years) and Duckwood and has infected most of the side. It was Porkins' turn the other night, did you see him? Lake dumps him in a tackle and he gets up, arms in the air, sooky entitled look on his face, as if to say 'umpy! Umpy! What about a free umpy?! You're supposed to be helping us out!' I've seen it from unexpected quarters like Taylor, Bartel takes a pathetic dive like he's been shot with a double barrelled shotgun, and of course the umpy falls all over himself blowing the whistle for a soft shot at goal. I've literally never seen anything like it in 40+ years of watching football. And it's been even worse since sooky Scott took over.

I'm certainly not saying other players don't take dives, don't appeal for frees and other sides aren't helped over the line in close games by dodgy umpiring calls, They certainly do/are. But it just happens so frequently with the Cats, virtually every week, it just has many of us scratching our heads and wondering what's going on. The second part of the above is culture, no question. The first part, I really don't know.....

A lot of hate being expressed, very interesting. Bad for your health though.
Selwood will probably win his 3rd or 4th most respected/courageous captain award by his peers.
He wil continue going above and beyond helping the community and charities more than any others I know.

You can set your watch to frees? Your missus and you laugh about it all? You sound plausible.
1 bad decision, 1 non call (ironically Menzel tried to draw a free, the very thing that upsets you) has upset you at crucial stages which have nothing to with Geelong acting. When we have acted it hasn't influenced an outcome.
We got 17 more frees v Freo, hardly surprising as they have been on the wrong side all year. 1 ump gave Carlton 12-0 v freo this year. Does that upset you as much?
"Virtually every week" another sour grape statement by you.
Duckwood? Petty name.
On the surface Your argument looks great to a troll and anti Geelong fans but in reality it's just a poorly written piece of garbage.

 

[Dan26]

Personally I have lost all semblance of respect for the Cats. The amount of times they are helped over the line by dodgy umpiring calls is absolutely uncanny, it's too much to be a coincidence. It happens over and over and over, almost to the point where you can set your watch to it...

I have a theory about this. I reckon the teams that have been successful often get favourable treatment because the umpires subconsciously think, "They are experienced and successful, so they don't make mistakes"

It's not that the umpires outwardly feel this way. It's on a subconscious level. So, when it comes to a 50-50 situation, the more experienced team, who an umpire might subconsciously think can't make mistakes get the favourable treatment.

 

[Seeds]

I have a theory about this. I reckon the teams that have been successful often get favourable treatment because the umpires subconsciously think, "They are experienced and successful, so they don't make mistakes"

It's not that the umpires outwardly feel this way. It's on a subconscious level. So, when it comes to a 50-50 situation, the more experienced team, who an umpire might subconsciously think can't make mistakes get the favourable treatment.

sounds good in theory but fails statistically. atleast in Geelongs case as we always get the raw end from the umps. have only won the free kick count once in 8 or so games. Hawthorn on the other hand ......

 

[Off The Couch]

sounds good in theory but fails statistically. atleast in Geelongs case as we always get the raw end from the umps. have only won the free kick count once in 8 or so games. Hawthorn on the other hand ......

Season average
Hawks 16.3 Frees For cats 17.1
Hawks 15.4 Frees Against 16.8

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

The longer Geelong play good footy while pretty much everyone forecasts their downfall means my respect for them only grows. They've replaced many ageing stars without the draft picks many think are so essential to building a list. They have shown there is a lot more to list management than that. They don't play negatively and they don't have a reputation for being dirty either. I think my club could learn a lot from them, and I wish they would.

Also I think the supporters are generally pretty good too.

OP can speak for himself.

 

[Whiskers]

Season average
Hawks 16.3 Frees For cats 17.1
Hawks 15.4 Frees Against 16.8

Yeah thanks for pointing out hawks can't do much wrong. Umps too scared to pay frees against you?
A few dirty hawks should be copping a bit more than that.
Unbelievable favouritism

 

[Podsnap]

I have a theory about this. I reckon the teams that have been successful often get favourable treatment because the umpires subconsciously think, "They are experienced and successful, so they don't make mistakes"

It's not that the umpires outwardly feel this way. It's on a subconscious level. So, when it comes to a 50-50 situation, the more experienced team, who an umpire might subconsciously think can't make mistakes get the favourable treatment.

Maybe individual 50-50s. I've never seen Bartel fly like he did on Saturday and assumed the umpire was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Tbonefreo]

They all hate us but still love watching us. Shit I cant even watch a Freo game on tv, if I see Crowley or Balla's head on the screen I feel like throwing my wife, kid and dogs thru the tv screen and setting fire to the house

Gee that's aggressive hate too see how you act when the mother in law comes to stay