Geelong attempted to avoid salary cap with Tim Kelly

caveman72

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Fine to ask, but the AFL were correct in rejecting it.

That is what the NDIS is for.

Money for flights for family etc you can't really do because then that becomes more of a homesickness thing. Very exceptional circumstances but the lid has been kept shit on the can of worms.

It is interesting though when you compare it to "ambassadorial" payments.

Listening to Cook this morning, I'm not sure if they actually wanted to pay TK extra for this, or if Cook was asking the AFL to point up a bit of cash to help the family, sorta like an AFL fraternity NDIS if you will.

That in itself is not outrageous. The AFL does aim to be inclusive and the players union drives a hard bargain for player outcomes. Including a type of insurance clause for players having difficulty (family health, personal health, special super scheme) is not ridiculous.
Good luck with the NDIS funding didn't Scomo cut a shit load of funding for that so the budget looks good
 

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So Geelong tried to ask the AFL to pay Tim Kelly, a rich footballer, more money outside the salary cap to keep him, because apparently he didn't have enough money to support his disabled children.

How is this acceptable? And why the hell would a player set to earn $700,000+ per year need more money outside the cap to look after his kids? That's ridiculous.
Not sure how asking the afl if you can give additional assistance to a player on the grounds that their child needs additional support, then being told no and not doing it, would constitute cheating. Mostly we were accused of not doing enough for him so this is a bit ironic
 

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They asked for a welfare exemption in the soft cap, a good idea floated by more than one club, for the purpose of hiring someone to provide specialist help with two autistic children.

As a WC supporter who wanted Kelly, you'd think I'd be pissed off. But no, I'm an adult that understands sometimes players and families have health and wellbeing issues that require extra and appropriate support.
 

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Good luck with the NDIS funding didn't Scomo cut a shit load of funding for that so the budget looks good
No, they just haven't spent like most of the allocation.

They are doing this by not rolling out replacement services and denying or delaying a huge number of claims. Like 6.1 billion worth of abject awfulness, just so that gormless ******* has an extra spundbsoundbiteite.
 

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So Geelong tried to ask the AFL to pay Tim Kelly, a rich footballer, more money outside the salary cap to keep him, because apparently he didn't have enough money to support his disabled children.

How is this acceptable? And why the hell would a player set to earn $700,000+ per year need more money outside the cap to look after his kids? That's ridiculous.
Dangerfield plays for Geelong.
 

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No issues with asking.

My concern though is that if they asked the question, presumably the thought there was some chance of getting it through, which makes me wonder what other question clubs (not just Geelong) have asked the AFL on this matter, and what has (and hasn't) been approved.

Of course, being the AFL, there are also legitimate concerns about their consistency in applying such 'flexibility'.
 

Art Corvelay

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I'm an adult that understands sometimes players and families have health and wellbeing issues that require extra and appropriate support.
Bloke is getting a $500k+ contract, do you really think they need more financial assistance?

I agree with OP’s general point that it would have been a joke if the AFL signed off on this.

Bill down the street is on $80k with a similar family situation, imagine hearing an AFL footballer needed extra assistance to pay the bills
 

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Shadow89

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Cook asks clearly transparent question, after being potted by his partner on social media for not doing enough. AFL rejects said question, on the basis of god knows what (probably integrity of the game whilst paying Coniglio ambassadorial payments).

Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn have been lobbying for this for years, to get more welfare payments to support players outside of the cap (assume that would be for rookies/draftees etc.), but it's Geelong that you're focusing on here.

It's ridiculous. Your thread is a joke, and it sounds like you didn't even read the article. Just because your club is a basket case and sends players off on Bataan death marches, disrespects their Indigenous players, all whilst listening to the Richmond theme song on repeat like some bizarre rendition of a A Clockwork Orange, doesn't mean you can drag us through the mud with you.

We were trying to assist a draftee with specialized support for his two autistic children. All which was done above board and in a manner that adhered to the integrity of the game. We weren't able to spend any more money outside the soft cap, so we decided to ask the AFL for assistance. It was rejected, all were disappointed, but we move on.

Real cheating is trying to pay a player outside the cap without disclosing it, just to keep them...*cough* Tippett *cough*

Dangerfield left you, get over it. Lots of other players have too. Looks like in the end, they all made the right choice.

Move on and worry about your own club. They're lucky they're not facing criminal charges for mentally degrading, disrespectful and frankly a bit racist actions, whilst players were in their employ. Any other workplace and they would have been shut down.
 

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I don't blame them for asking.

Sure, there was some self interest there, but the self interest was trying to find ways to make life easier for his family.
 

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Not sure how asking the afl if you can give additional assistance to a player on the grounds that their child needs additional support, then being told no and not doing it, would constitute cheating. Mostly we were accused of not doing enough for him so this is a bit ironic
Followed this over the last 12 months, dont remember that call, its nonsense.
 

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So Geelong tried to ask the AFL to pay Tim Kelly, a rich footballer, more money outside the salary cap to keep him, because apparently he didn't have enough money to support his disabled children.

How is this acceptable? And why the hell would a player set to earn $700,000+ per year need more money outside the cap to look after his kids? That's ridiculous.
Nicnat. End thread.
 

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