Geelong rorting the system

[Pistol Night]

Geelong CEO “really happy” with the outcome of AFL probe into Scott’s club sponsor role

“We acknowledge that and we're really happy with the outcome of it.”

www.sen.com.au

Geelong CEO Steve Hocking is ‘really happy’ with the outcome of the AFL’s review of Chris Scott’s third-party deal with club sponsor Morris Finance.

While SEN’s Sam Edmund reported that the league won’t reveal how the investigation played out, Hocking says that the existing deal between the sponsor and Scott hasn’t changed as a result of the review.

Under rules introduced in 2024, senior coaches can have 20 per cent of their salary paid outside of the soft cap. Scott’s role with Morris Finance is as Chief of Leadership and Performance.

“We’re not concerned at all, and we’ll continue to work with Morris, and Chris as well has got his own relationship with them as well.

“There’s no change at all (to the deal).”

Like a pisshead saying hes "really happy" that beer tax is to be heavily slashed

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Like a pisshead saying hes "really happy" that beer tax is to be heavily slashed

Geelong Assistants & players queueing up to apply for jobs with Morris Finance as we speak.

Dangerfield applying for the role of Chief of Attention Seeking.

 

[Pistol Night]

Geelong Assistants & players queueing up to apply for jobs with Morris Finance as we speak.

Dangerfield applying for the role of Chief of Attention Seeking.

Good luck to the other applicants applying for that role. They'd have to come in to the interview with fireworks shooting out of their arse to get close to being successful

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Onya Steve, the gift that keeps on giving, just like Hinkley...

 

[Footy Smarts]

I'm just glad the good people at Morris Finance don't miss out on learning from Scott's leadership. Surely minor things like the salary cap shouldn't be allowed to get in the way of a whole cohort of employees benefiting from Chris's wisdom?

 

[RUNVS]

I want players salaries made public, as well as any secondary income streams to be made public as well.

Also ideally the AFL employs someone to check on housing that AFL players buy, just using public records there, making sure they are paying what seems to be correct market value.

 

[hawkman]

AFL won’t reveal outcome of review into Chris Scott’s third-party deal with club sponsor

Sammy Edmund has the latest.

www.sen.com.au

This kind of transparency doesn't arouse suspicion at all

AFL taking tips from WADA on deal making

 

[Pistol Night]

I want players salaries made public, as well as any secondary income streams to be made public as well.

Also ideally the AFL employs someone to check on housing that AFL players buy, just using public records there, making sure they are paying what seems to be correct market value.

The campaigners cant even get goal reviews right and you want them to keep up to date with the property market fluctuations in the country?

 

[RUNVS]

The campaigners cant even get goal reviews right and you want them to keep up to date with the property market fluctuations in the country?

Yes, as I strongly suspect players at certain clubs are buying property at vastly decreased prices, either buying from the club or buying from someone associated from the club.

If a house is worth $2.5 million and a player only pays $1.5 million for it then that is effectively another $1 million in the salary cap.

 

[PhatBoy]

Yes, as I strongly suspect players at certain clubs are buying property at vastly decreased prices, either buying from the club or buying from someone associated from the club.

If a house is worth $2.5 million and a player only pays $1.5 million for it then that is effectively another $1 million in the salary cap.

Hypothetically, just assuming - and apologies if you weren’t - you’re alluding to Geelong, can you please be the first person on this forum to explain to me why Geelong is the only club that has access to the real estate market and availing their players of perks to it.

 

[RUNVS]

Hypothetically, just assuming - and apologies if you weren’t - you’re alluding to Geelong, can you please be the first person on this forum to explain to me why Geelong is the only club that has access to the real estate market and availing their players of perks to it.

Definitely not only referring to Geelong. I think it would be a fairly common practice amongst most of the richer clubs.

 

[Pistol Night]

Hypothetically, just assuming - and apologies if you weren’t - you’re alluding to Geelong, can you please be the first person on this forum to explain to me why Geelong is the only club that has access to the real estate market and availing their players of perks to it.

Because you keep landing good players and we want to whinge about it

 

[RUNVS]

Because you keep landing good players and we want to whinge about it

I'll be honest, I don't know how Geelong were able to afford Jeremy Cameron when he came to the club. Looking at their list at the time it looked like it would be impossible to fit Cameron under the cap.

 

[Pistol Night]

I'll be honest, I don't know how Geelong were able to afford Jeremy Cameron when he came to the club. Looking at their list at the time it looked like it would be impossible to fit Cameron under the cap.

My way of rationalising is that they don't pay stupid million plus deals to anyone so it allows them to land a big fish all the time. Then the impulsive flog in me thinks Cotton On and cheap land is the way

 

[RUNVS]

My way of rationalising is that they don't pay stupid million plus deals to anyone so it allows them to land a big fish all the time. Then the impulsive flog in me thinks Cotton On and cheap land is the way

It is why at the very least the AFL need to make the salaries of players public because if we saw Jeremy Cameron join Geelong and he was being paid $600,000 a year we would automatically think that was a bit suspicious.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Kinda weird how many Geelong players don't live in Geelong but own farms there.

 

[PhatBoy]

Kinda weird how many Geelong players don't live in Geelong but own farms there.

What, 3 of them including one who’s retired and spent all his life on a farm, and 2 of them are among the best 25 players of the last 15 years?

In other words ‘it’s weird that Rhys Stanley plays for a club that’s sort of in the country and lives on a farm after 17 seasons as a professional AFL player.’

 

[Footy Smarts]

I'll be honest, I don't know how Geelong were able to afford Jeremy Cameron when he came to the club. Looking at their list at the time it looked like it would be impossible to fit Cameron under the cap.

Lol.

Ablett and Taylor retired that year. Hawkins and Selwood had already turned 32 by the 2020 GF and their salaries were well past peak.

Who were all these stars in their peak earning years? Dangerfield and Stewart. Do you think they were splitting half the salary cap or something?

 

[RUNVS]

Lol.

Ablett and Taylor retired that year. Hawkins and Selwood had already turned 32 by the 2020 GF and their salaries were well past peak.

Who were all these stars in their peak earning years? Dangerfield and Stewart. Do you think they were splitting half the salary cap or something?

Ablett came back to Geelong on considerably less money.

Also is there any evidence Hawkins was on a lot less money during this period?

 

[Robroy22]

It was never about the $$$ with Jezza. Lots of clubs had the $$$ to handle his move, but not lots of clubs had prime farmland just waiting to be run about on a tractor!

Ollie Henry and Jack Bowes "moves" just reek though. Insider trading rules there...and insider player management connections. Well played Cats, just like we said "well played Roos in the 70's and Blues in the '80's" both those clubs took advantage of the footy management climate at the time and both won multiple premierships because of their "questionable recruiting practices" (Aylett / Mantello and the 10 year rule, John Elliott at Carlton and the paper bags saga)

Karma took care of both those clubs in the end.

Shonky is as shonky does.

 

[STPer18]

Today's findings are super dispiriting now that it's been all but confirmed that the AFL, just like so many large organisations, are squarely under the thumb of the Geelong Football Club. Is there anything at all we can do - is there some kind of sporting regulator that sits above the AFL that we can get in contact with to put an end to all these rorts? Fair dinkum this is unbelievable.

 

[RUNVS]

It was never about the $$$ with Jezza. Lots of clubs had the $$$ to handle his move, but not lots of clubs had prime farmland just waiting to be run about on a tractor!

Ollie Henry and Jack Bowes "moves" just reek though. Insider trading rules there...and insider player management connections. Well played Cats, just like we said "well played Roos in the 70's and Blues in the '80's" both those clubs took advantage of the footy management climate at the time and both won multiple premierships because of their "questionable recruiting practices" (Aylett / Mantello and the 10 year rule, John Elliott at Carlton and the paper bags saga)

Karma took care of both those clubs in the end.

Shonky is as shonky does.

If I were in charge of the AFL two things I would immediately do are

• Make players salaries public
• Make back ending and front loading of contracts illegal.

I think back ending and front loading contracts opens up a lot of potential for shady dealings.

If a player signs a 5 year $4 million contract then every season they must be paid $800,000. They can't get paid $300,000 for the first 2 years of the contract, $500,000 for the third year and $1.45 million in the last 2 seasons.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ablett came back to Geelong on considerably less money.

Also is there any evidence Hawkins was on a lot less money during this period?

If you are to read half the posts on this forum, most of our list was dogshit. People can’t have it both ways

What about this list of players that year screams that there was some sort of salary cap abuse.

There were 6 players on that list that had been All Australian at that point - 1 of them was Shaun Higgins who was well past his best, another was Cam Guthrie who was still on the deal he signed before he even became an All Australian. Blicavs hadn’t been one then.
Stewart was on an extension of the contract he’d signed previously, before signing his ‘contract for life’ in 2023.


Carlton by my count had 7 AA players see action last year, and traded in another one (Nick Haynes) over the off season, and theirs aside from poor old Sam Docherty are far more in their prime than some of ours were at that point when Cameron arrived even allowing for the gross difference between he and a player like Haynes.

I’m pretty sure Collingwood fielded 8 AA players last year and just landed Dan Houston who’s been AA the last two years. Again not sure he’s Jeremy Cameron but what have our players from that season done to be so overestimated?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I want players salaries made public, as well as any secondary income streams to be made public as well.

Also ideally the AFL employs someone to check on housing that AFL players buy, just using public records there, making sure they are paying what seems to be correct market value.

What right do you have to their salaries?
Should they be able to compel you to divulge your salary?

To be blunt, none of them are public servants on taxpayers money so we have no right to that information. Rightly the AFLPA will guard that vigorously.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Geelong CEO “really happy” with the outcome of AFL probe into Scott’s club sponsor role

“We acknowledge that and we're really happy with the outcome of it.”

www.sen.com.au

Geelong CEO Steve Hocking is ‘really happy’ with the outcome of the AFL’s review of Chris Scott’s third-party deal with club sponsor Morris Finance.

While SEN’s Sam Edmund reported that the league won’t reveal how the investigation played out, Hocking says that the existing deal between the sponsor and Scott hasn’t changed as a result of the review.

Under rules introduced in 2024, senior coaches can have 20 per cent of their salary paid outside of the soft cap. Scott’s role with Morris Finance is as Chief of Leadership and Performance.

“We’re not concerned at all, and we’ll continue to work with Morris, and Chris as well has got his own relationship with them as well.

“There’s no change at all (to the deal).”

Did we really beat Hawthorn today?
Not bad with Scotty halfway through a shift at Morris