Geelong rorting the system

[PhatBoy]

Haha, they say that about Richmond's 2017-20 as well. Like they did a Steve Bradbury 3 times in 4 years.

That Geelong side was stacked with talent. Lots of F/S players, some great drafting, genuinely useful 'role players' and 'enforcers' and to be completely honest the overall AFL standard was higher back then with only 16 teams vs the 18 now (and subsequently diluted talent pool).

I don’t. I have said and I would probably stand by it that in an infantilised pitched battled between those two sides I would back us to win (and yes of course I’m biased) for the reason you mentioned - the sheer depth of talent - but I don’t think you Bradburied them at all. The Tigers team was clearly one of the great modern sides and there was nothing flukey or lucky about it.

 

[Andyy]

I don’t. I have said and I would probably stand by it that in an infantilised pitched battled between those two sides I would back us to win (and yes of course I’m biased) for the reason you mentioned - the sheer depth of talent - but I don’t think you Bradburied them at all. The Tigers team was clearly one of the great modern sides and there was nothing flukey or lucky about it.

I agree.

Cats from 07-11 would win.

I think there's a bit of a difference between Tigers '17 and '19-20 as well. I think the 2019 team would give them the best run for their money.

 

[RPCB]

On the topic of “Doing a Bradbury”, honest question for the Geelong supporters. How do you view 2008? Did Hawthorn do a Bradbury in that GF? They finished 2nd (so were good enough to win on the day), but Geelong went 21-1 and won by decent margins in the QF and PF.

 

[Munich]

Are Rich nuffies ever going to move on.

This is bordering on psychotic.

 

[PhatBoy]

I agree.

Cats from 07-11 would win.

I think there's a bit of a difference between Tigers '17 and '19-20 as well. I think the 2019 team would give them the best run for their money.

Agreed, or dare I say it their peak side from stages of 2018 as well

 

[PhatBoy]

Are Rich nuffies ever going to move on.

This is bordering on psychotic.

To be fair at least there’s one tigers fan engaging in normal conversation here.

 

[PhatBoy]

On the topic of “Doing a Bradbury”, honest question for the Geelong supporters. How do you view 2008? Did Hawthorn do a Bradbury in that GF? They finished 2nd (so were good enough to win on the day), but Geelong went 21-1 and won by decent margins in the QF and PF.

Hawthorn didn’t do a Bradbury. Sure we didn’t exactly turn up and play some of the footy we had earlier in the season, but you can put a fair bit of that down to the quality of the footy they did turn up and play when it mattered.

Did we choke a bit? Sure, you don’t go 23-1 up until grand final day and then start missing shots like the Mooney and Ottens ones and making some bad decisions without attributing some of it to ‘the occasion’ or ‘shit, we aren’t used to being under the pump like this - what do we do now??’ But Hawthorn turned up with a plan, executed it to a tee, were one of the best teams all year and deserved the flag. Simple as that. There isn’t a rule that says you have to be team #1 to make the grand final and win it. You have to be one of the two that make it and win it. They made it, and they won it.

We did it the next year to some extent, you could argue.

 

[DJ Sergio]

Even AI agrees Geelong's dynasty is special:

"The Geelong Football Club dynasty, spanning the period from 2007 to 2022, is widely considered one of the most successful in AFL history. The team achieved four premierships (2007, 2009, 2011, and 2022), consistently dominated the regular season, and maintained a strong presence in the finals series."

Yikes. Your insecurity is noted.

 

[Sttew]

To be fair at least there’s one tigers fan engaging in normal conversation here.

And then there’s one with multiple pseudonyms

 

[Andyy]

Agreed, or dare I say it their peak side from stages of 2018 as well

Our peak '18?

I actually thought we were a bit average in 2018, hence the PF loss.

Obviously I went to every home game and what I saw was a side giving too much effort during the H&A trying to 'flex' as the premiers and just running out of puff. Timed their run poorly.

Could see the big difference/learning in 2019 + Lynch as well.

 

[Seeds]

Our peak '18?

I actually thought we were a bit average in 2018, hence the PF loss.

Obviously I went to every home game and what I saw was a side giving too much effort during the H&A trying to 'flex' as the premiers and just running out of puff. Timed their run poorly.

Could see the big difference/learning in 2019 + Lynch as well.

You finished two games clear on top of ladder in 2018. In 2019 you finished 3rd. Me thinks hindsight is clouding your judgement.

In 2019 you gained lynch (which was a rort) but you lost rance

 

[SC_Power]

Even AI agrees Geelong's dynasty is special:

"The Geelong Football Club dynasty, spanning the period from 2007 to 2022, is widely considered one of the most successful in AFL history. The team achieved four premierships (2007, 2009, 2011, and 2022), consistently dominated the regular season, and maintained a strong presence in the finals series."

If AI is your proof, then you have no proof.

“Geelong, while an exceptional team with sustained success since 2000, isn’t the greatest dynasty of the era because its dominance, though impressive, lacked the sustained peak and multiple premiership clusters of others like Hawthorn or Brisbane. Despite winning four flags (2007, 2009, 2011, 2022) and consistently making finals, Geelong often faltered in September, notably underperforming in several prelims and grand finals during dominant home-and-away seasons. In contrast, Brisbane (2001–2003) and Hawthorn (2013–2015) each secured three-peat premierships in tight succession, a hallmark of dynastic dominance that Geelong never quite matched in terms of concentrated, overwhelming superiority.”

 

[Andyy]

You finished two games clear on top of ladder in 2018. In 2019 you finished 3rd. Me thinks hindsight is clouding your judgement.

In 2019 you gained lynch (which was a rort) but you lost rance

No, genuinely I remember thinking they weren't going that well during the 2018 H&A.

There were a lot of very close wins where they just seemed to flop over the line. You could argue that they were just doing enough to bank the points, but from what I saw at the time I thought they were struggling to win all those games.

Still wasn't expecting the belting Collingwood gave us though. My best memory of that night was sitting next to an older man (Pie supporter) who had been separated from his wife by Ticketek and I found her to swap seats with me because I'd been dumped on my own by Ticketek. That was nice. Otherwise I was hoping we'd been holding back throughout the year but it was clear that we hadn't and were just a bit out of legs at the pointy end.

Lynch FA is what it is. Not sure how it's a rort? The FA system is wrong in many ways IMO.

As for losing Rance, having Grimes cover him was utterly sensational. He was so underrated for so long, living in Rance's shadow, but even a fanboy like me had no idea he could go to that level.

 

[STPer18]

 

[PhatBoy]

If AI is your proof, then you have no proof.

“Geelong, while an exceptional team with sustained success since 2000, isn’t the greatest dynasty of the era because its dominance, though impressive, lacked the sustained peak and multiple premiership clusters of others like Hawthorn or Brisbane. Despite winning four flags (2007, 2009, 2011, 2022) and consistently making finals, Geelong often faltered in September, notably underperforming in several prelims and grand finals during dominant home-and-away seasons. In contrast, Brisbane (2001–2003) and Hawthorn (2013–2015) each secured three-peat premierships in tight succession, a hallmark of dynastic dominance that Geelong never quite matched in terms of concentrated, overwhelming superiority.”

Sustained peak? Interesting. The Lions’ managed to underperform and fail just as many times either side of their three flags as they did during them. They lost a semi final by 82 points the year before they won their first flag. They conceded 8 goals in the final term of a prelim in 1999 to lose by 45 points. They had a 16 win season and lost to a notoriously bad finals side in 2004. The fact that they couldn’t make the finals anymore afterwards makes them immune from the criticism that another team cops for losing finals?

What about Hawthorn?

Two consecutive straight sets exits after their threepeat, an unexpected loss to Sydney before it, 3 losses out of 4 finals before that campaign as well, and no finals at all in 2009 after the out of the blue flag in 2008.

3-8 record either side of their three-peat? Sounds like a team who didn’t do real well in finals after good home and away seasons.

If I didn’t know better I’d almost think that when teams aren’t the best in the competition, they don’t win as many games as the sides who are.

 

[SC_Power]

Sustained peak? Interesting. The Lions’ managed to underperform and fail just as many times either side of their three flags as they did during them. They lost a semi final by 82 points the year before they won their first flag. They conceded 8 goals in the final term of a prelim in 1999 to lose by 45 points. They had a 16 win season and lost to a notoriously bad finals side in 2004. The fact that they couldn’t make the finals anymore afterwards makes them immune from the criticism that another team cops for losing finals?

What about Hawthorn?

Two consecutive straight sets exits after their threepeat, an unexpected loss to Sydney before it, 3 losses out of 4 finals before that campaign as well, and no finals at all in 2009 after the out of the blue flag in 2008.

3-8 record either side of their three-peat? Sounds like a team who didn’t do real well in finals after good home and away seasons.

If I didn’t know better I’d almost think that when teams aren’t the best in the competition, they don’t win as many games as the sides who are.

You do get the point that quoting AI is no proof.
Partly because no one posts the seed words that make up the question.
We all know you can get whatever answer you want it to return.

 

[STPer18]

How mad?

 

[FootyLad0]

On the topic of “Doing a Bradbury”, honest question for the Geelong supporters. How do you view 2008? Did Hawthorn do a Bradbury in that GF? They finished 2nd (so were good enough to win on the day), but Geelong went 21-1 and won by decent margins in the QF and PF.

Bulldogs 2016 is doing a Bradbury.
Hawks in 2008 as much as people try to rewrite history were no Bradbury.

 

[JimmyBC]

Bulldogs 2016 is doing a Bradbury.
Hawks in 2008 as much as people try to rewrite history were no Bradbury.

I reckon that Hawks side were ahead of schedule that day not a bradbury.

 

[Mr Meow]

That team is ridiculous.

Combined the players in that team had around 45 All Australian appearances with the few that didn't reach that level mostly being good players (ie Josh Hunt, David Wojinski, Max Rooke). Add to that it was a really well balanced squad.

"dANk tUrNEd tHeM tO fRANkEnSTeIns!!!"

 

[Sttew]

You do get the point that quoting AI is no proof.
Partly because no one posts the seed words that make up the question.
We all know you can get whatever answer you want it to return.

I’d rather AI than some unhinged supporter of a club (not you) making it up as he or she goes

 

[FootyLad0]

900k for a potential Brownlow medalist, in this climate of giving out **** OFF level money?
Cats leading the industry in list management once again.

Cope and seethe.

 

[STPer18]

900k for a potential Brownlow medalist, in this climate of giving out **** OFF level money?
Cats leading the industry in list management once again.

Cope and seethe.

750k for Holmes too. Some club is about to pick up a ruckman that'd cover both the Super Mario Dash Bros. wages!

 

[Elixuh]

900k for a potential Brownlow medalist, in this climate of giving out **** OFF level money?
Cats leading the industry in list management once again.

Cope and seethe.

750k for Holmes too. Some club is about to pick up a ruckman that'd cover both the Super Mario Dash Bros. wages!

When I see these figures the only thing I can think is imagine how much they must be getting outside the cap. My god.

And that’s not even taking into account the thousands of dollars the players would take from the bowl which is always filled with cotton on gift cards at the cats training centre!

The net is closing.

 

[PhatBoy]

When I see these figures the only thing I can think is imagine how much they must be getting outside the cap. My god.

And that’s not even taking into account the thousands of dollars the players would take from the bowl which is always filled with cotton on gift cards at the cats training centre!

The net is closing.

Holy f**k it’s been closing for a while now. Players must be getting rope burn by this stage.