News Geelong the best Drafters since 2000

[CF]

Acoording to the Champion data Geelong are the best team at drafting since 2000. Another big tick to Wells.

A DETAILED investigation into recruiting success has confirmed Geelong as the king of the national draft.
The AFL's official statistician Champion Data this week reviewed every pick since 2000 - and it further highlighted the Cats' consistency in getting it right.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/11/22/355108_gfc.html

 

[AlterRob]

All the more reason to trust Wells.

 

[Senatorguesty]

Was there any doubt we would smash this though?

Looks like they used games played, doesnt that add weight to how good Wells has been?
What would be easier for a new recruit, breaking into the Cats side and playing bulk games, or "breaking" (lol) into the Melbourne team and playing bulk games?

 

[AlterRob]

Was there any doubt we would smash this though?

Looks like they used games played, doesnt that add weight to how good Wells has been?
What would be easier for a new recruit, breaking into the Cats side and playing bulk games, or "breaking" (lol) into the Melbourne team and playing bulk games?

Good point. Considering the team has been close to impossible to break into from 2007 to now, the promising kids like GHS, Guthrie, Kersten etc only add up to a small number of combined games played.

 

[Senatorguesty]

Good point. Considering the team has been close to impossible to break into from 2007 to now, the promising kids like GHS, Guthrie, Kersten etc only add up to a small number of combined games played.

You would reckon GHS and Guthrie at least would have played most of the season for Melbourne...

 

[AlterRob]

You would reckon GHS and Guthrie at least would have played most of the season for Melbourne...

Would have been their BnF and runner up.

 

[topic97]

Was there any doubt we would smash this though?

Looks like they used games played, doesnt that add weight to how good Wells has been?
What would be easier for a new recruit, breaking into the Cats side and playing bulk games, or "breaking" (lol) into the Melbourne team and playing bulk games?

Bloody good point!
Just goes to show that Geelong dont reward mediocrity - and we have the flags to prove it!

 

[dazbroncos]

Acoording to the Champion data Geelong are the best team at drafting since 2000. Another big tick to Wells.



http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/11/22/355108_gfc.html

Anyone whom cares to feel overly misled by Wells picks... please read above. If you still feel the same, then fair enough. But before you tee off on him too hard.. you have to go and hold each of the Premiership cups (AFL and VFL) we have won since he started working for us...for 5 minutes each... After the 20 minutes has passed....

Only then can you let it go.....

Go Catters

 

[Scottland2007]

Anyone whom cares to feel overly misled by Wells picks... please read above. If you still feel the same, then fair enough. But before you tee off on him too hard.. you have to go and hold each of the Premiership cups (AFL and VFL) we have won since he started working for us...for 5 minutes each... After the 20 minutes has passed....

Only then can you let it go.....
Dude! Maths! Vfl 07 and 12. Afl 07 09 and 11. (thats 25 minutes). While we're at it, add the pre season cups 06 and 09. (I'm not sure when Wells started with us, guessing pre 06), and that's 35 minutes!

 

[dazbroncos]

Scolded as required. Its thanksgiving turkey holiday here and ive had a skin full so give me my mathematical lumps. More fuel makes my point even better....

Go Catters

 

[footscore]

Geelong didn't even bottom out like Collingwood or Hawthorn did either.
Collingwood actually found themselves at the bottom of the table at the turn of the new century and again 5 years later which helped them secure top draft picks as too did Hawthorn in 04/05.

Cats had no such luxury which is even more remarkable

 

[Scottland2007]

Scolded as required. Its thanksgiving turkey holiday here and ive had a skin full so give me my mathematical lumps. More fuel makes my point even better....

Anyone whom cares to feel overly misled by Wells picks... please read above. If you still feel the same, then fair enough. But before you tee off on him too hard.. you have to go and hold each of the Premiership cups (AFL and VFL) we have won since he started working for us...for 5 minutes each... After the 20 minutes has passed....

Only then can you let it go.....

Go Catters

Maybe we should fill the 7 cups with alcohol, consume, and then discuss Stephen Wells!

sorry about the formatting Daz. Really struggling with the iPhone tonight.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Scolded as required. Its thanksgiving turkey holiday here and ive had a skin full so give me my mathematical lumps. More fuel makes my point even better....

Go Catters

I was wondering what happened to former poster Turkey Tom...

 

[you pick one]

Some would say you still have to pick them, but 400 odd games to some pretty good father/sons during that time wouldn't have hurt that result.

 

[dazbroncos]

Some would say you still have to pick them, but 400 odd games to some pretty good father/sons during that time wouldn't have hurt that result.

Fair point.....

Still decent average but....

Go Catters

 

[Belisarius]

What also needs to be added is that with Egan and Ablett still in the team we may well have one another premiership - which is in the end a very good indicator of recruiting as well.

Rarely do you lose a player at Egan's age/experience for ever, and if no new club was in the league Ablett would still be with us.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Wellsy started in the 90s with us, head man from late 90s?

I'm pretty sure it is 3 VFL and 3 AFL; not two and three.

VFL - 2002?, 2007, 2012
AFL - 2007, 2009, 2011.

And was it 2 preseason cups?

That would 40 mins - and pretty tired arms!

 

[FredLeDeux]

I read the paper's summary of the Report with some interest.
I t confirms something we all know.
It would have been nice to have the figures; at least it looks like a more sophisticated approach than the usual crude average games played per pick, but there are a few things which detract from its value:
- the top 5 clubs have played more games than most, so their average games per player will be higher; I know this could be a loop - they are better picks, so the club plays more finals, so they play more games - but I don't know how you would quantify the 2 effects
- currently incomplete careers may alter the ratings - but obviously you have to start and end somewhere
- F/S choices may have distorted the figures for some bands because they ended up lower than otherwise
- it doesn't say how many picks each club has had in each band, so we don't know if comparisons are statistically significant
- it only deals with draft selections, and not with the recruiting department's other key responsibility - trading. Which probably explains Sydney's (and possibly Freo's) low rating.

At first glance, it looks like Carlton has been piss poor, also at 2nd and 3rd glances, good. WB and Melbourne are surprisingly low, given their good draft positions; but possibly they don't give young players as long a run in either 1sts or 2nds as other clubs because they are under constant press/member pressure to improve, to "rebuild"; and constant coaching turnover always results in mid-career player turnover.

What I would really like to see from Champion Data is a combination of these figures with some showing comparisons of how good the average games have been in each band for each club.
My gut feel is that this would make us feel even better.

 

[catswhiskers]

Using the same size window (12 years) next year and then in 2014 /15/16 I would expect to see an even better result from such an analysis.
This analysis did not include 1999. One of our best with four 250 game players and 2 duds and Spriggs at 64.It does include 2003 a shocker by any standards Tenace Low games for top ten , Spencer, Thurley with only our Mark Blake racking up 99.

In 2015 for example players from 2009 with nearly all picks ( Menzel,Duncan, Vardy, Bundy (not Cowan but including Laidler at Carlton) racking up games for 3 more years and 2010 with Smedts, Guthrie, Pods maybe GHS, Shroder all likley to rack up games too. I guess a rookie elevation like Pods at 58 helps a lot if they play 50 + games.

There is no allowance for trading though in this analysis nor rookies unless they use the rookie elevation pick number.

Does Caddy as a pick 7 represent Geelong from here?

 

[David the Cat]

This deserves Main Board airing....watching Boskie, Shepp and HP losing their rag over it would be worth the lulz.

HP being such a fan of Champion Data would fully support this ranking CF.... *cough*....I guess.

 

[David the Cat]

I was wondering what happened to former poster Turkey Tom...

Roasted and stuffed.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

We need a top 10 pick soon so we can surround selwood with some genuine class it will need us to offload someone or slide next year

 

[FredLeDeux]

We need a top 10 pick soon so we can surround selwood with some genuine class it will need us to offload someone or slide next year

To get a top 10 pick we either have to finish bottom 10 (which is obviously not going to happen) or trade away a young (ie non-Free Agent) top 10 player - did you have anyone in mind?

 

[Sttew]

We need a top 10 pick soon so we can surround selwood with some genuine class it will need us to offload someone or slide next year

Josh Caddy?

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Was there any doubt we would smash this though?

Looks like they used games played, doesnt that add weight to how good Wells has been?
What would be easier for a new recruit, breaking into the Cats side and playing bulk games, or "breaking" (lol) into the Melbourne team and playing bulk games?

Flawed formula; correct result.

In other news, Champion Data tells us that water is wet and grass is green.